This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Anarchi
>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)
>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.
>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.
>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.
Libertarian: Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read) Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils
>Sup Forums is not a space for this shit Yes it is. The pinkoshits are completely free to post here and argue with other anons.
Jaxon Perry
When you make a shitty leftist thread on a right wing image board that 404s but it's ok cause it's everyone else's fault so you make a shitty leftist thread on a right wing image board that 404s but it's ok cause it's everyone else's fault so you make a shitty leftist thread on a right wing image board that 404s but it's ok cause it's everyone else's fault so you make a shitty leftist thread on a right wing image board that 404s but it's ok cause it's everyone else's fault so you make a shitty leftist thread on a right wing image board that 404s but it's ok cause it's everyone else's fault so .....
Landon Sullivan
>every Communist regime in history has been objectively terrible >let's try it again xD
Stop.
Oliver Howard
Aleksandr (((Dugin))) is a closeted Marxist.
Carson Harris
>communist education
Hudson Miller
> leninism > not based syndicalism
Disappointing
Liam Rivera
Yugoslavia was pretty good. Twin oak is nice. Early Catalonia was nice. Cuba is pretty good compared to other Latin American islands. China before the great leap forward was great. Albania was amazing.
Sebastian Phillips
Syndicalism is pretty cool as well. It would be a great way to distribute the power and discourage totalitarianism.
Elijah Johnson
>retard detected
Kayden Young
Oh... I get it now.
Gabriel Allen
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Cooper Parker
Nice revisionist history
Isaac Flores
Nice communist pepe.
Easton Wright
>communists are literally this stupid Wow. Please just do the world a favor and disappear already. Haven't you done enough damage?
Colton Hernandez
I can't wait for your next experiment ending in poverty, malnutrition and civil war
William Gray
leftypol raids are pathetic
>CONDITIONING=NOT BROKEN
Carter Taylor
Tuvalu is next.
Dominic Brooks
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Jacob James
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Nicholas Kelly
Cunt
Eli Long
Obama is a bourgeois moderate Republican.
Colton Reyes
interesting flags, you won't get any sympathy towards commies in formerly commie states, that's for sure
except for those who channeled """people's budget""" into their own pockets and acquired status, immunity, even impunity etc
THE ONLY WAY ONE CAN HAVE A COMMUNE OF SHARING EVERYTHING IS IF IT IS A SMALL AND COHESIVE COMMUNITY (everyone knows each other, cares for one another) THAT OPTED TO DO SO ON THEIR OWN
Hudson Foster
Marixsm is a lie. The workers have never and will never win his theoretical "class struggle" transition phase.
Also, don't forget to sage.
Jason Foster
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Brayden Mitchell
I'm watching his movie "Barry" right now, not bad. He was a great young man during his time at Columbia University.
Landon Scott
>Yugoslavia was pretty good because lengthy WW2 war reparations, 3rd world projects (military and infrastructure) and cheap credit for a while, then came '70s and austerity, '80s bread lines and '90s pew pew
Grayson Wright
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Alexander Rivera
Left is about misconceptions of the registration system. Right is about stolen and leaked information using vulnerabilities unique to russian groups at the time.
Your ignorance is showing
Christopher White
Soviet union did a couple things wrong.
#1 imperialism - They shouldn't have tried to take over other countries. Just try to spark revolutions.
#2 New classes - Basically they just swapped party members and the rich. Giving people that much power is just a bad idea.
#3 Totalitarianism - They should have put the basic economic principles of socialism into the constitution and then had just normal democracy and elections.
#4 Complete centralization - Everything was centralized they should have tried to let local government set of co-operative businesses
Wyatt Reyes
If a Jew is bourgeois he is an enemy. If he is part of the proletariat he is a a friend.
Noah Thomas
Naah, not really. Communist Romania was a perfect example of a successful implementation of communism. Think about the very beautiful buildings such as the People's Palace, urbanization of the population and almost perfect living conditions.
The fascist CIA coup in 1989 was a tragedy.
Bentley Davis
You don't even realize you're a useful idiot for the real "bourgeois" you stupid cunt
Easton Reyes
First paragraph is utter bullshit. Millions of former Eastern Bloc residents are nostalgic for the old days.
Carter Miller
>100 million Where the fuck does this number keep coming from?
Ryder Myers
The capital letter part is fabricated.
Asher Bennett
Good post
Joseph Jackson
Please goy, I only want you voluntarily renounce your liberty, give up free thinking and stand in queue for your daily ration of food, I have also calculated how may calories do you need. Why don't you want to be my slave?
James Reed
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Aaron Morris
can't have it any other way besides the one option I stated
who in their right mind would forgo wealth accumulation and rentseeking behaviour? who wants to work until they die (prematurely)? personal property is a big fucking deal, especially land and housing, that's why you have a billion chinese pumping everything they got into their housing market, for example
not an argument; nostalgia=remembering the good stuff, emotional and divorced from present, everyone loves their youuth
Blake Ortiz
How do you think jews control society?
Elijah Bennett
What do you people think of the jews?
What do you think of the fact the bolshevism was largely a jewish led movement?
How does it feel that your system(at least acted out in the USSR) was literally a wet dream from the talmud?
Mason Rogers
Don't bump the shill threads
Just let the lefty/pol/ shill spergs circlejerk until their crappy threads die
>cites Black Book of Communism Into the trash it goes.
Ryan Turner
i will make this argument as someone who advocates a fascist corporatist system, which is a mixture of capitalism and socialism generally,
Marx argues that as the economy grows under capitalism, technology advances. As technology advances wages decrease while labour input increases while also decreasing the honor of labour and the living conditions of the laborer.
Let us first condemn these accusations as technophobic and drawn entirely from a realm of emotions, not having any correspondence to the world in its actual form.
First: the argument that as technology grows wages decrease.
This is clearly untrue, evidence against this can be found by comparing the living conditions between any developed and developing nation. (consider any nation that went from an agricultural society to an industrial society, you can even consider the benefit industrailization had to the soviet economy.) the largest divider between developed and developing being chiefly technological.
As technology increases more production is increased leading to a cheapening of the value of products and an increase in the quality of said products. the cheaper every product is, the more of your money can be stretched. this results in either more products being purchased or money being saved(for those who say "the cheapening of one product isn't enough" it isn't one product, every product has prices that decrease and quality that increases when greater technology is introduced. for those companies which use sub-par materials and the like to artificially cheapen the product, a monopoly should never be allowed to function, as such any company will have competition and any overly large company that has a monopoly is should ne liable to be broken up into smaller firms. what this means is that the cheaper product has a lower quality, driving down consumer demand.)
Liam Turner
Consider the wages of those in the middle class of Mali an African Country vs the low class of the USA, obviously it can be seen that the low wages of the lower class in the USA are extremely more valuable than the wages of the middle class of mali.
We can now say clearly that this is just overly emotional and fearful rhetoric
Second:as technology advances labour input is increased and value of said labour is decreased.
This is also clearly untrue when we consider the high paying wages of the U.S. Factory worker when the manufacturing was done chiefly in said country.
It is obvious that as technology advances according to the principles of Fordism and scientific management(Taylorism) physical input from workers decreases while increasing the wages of said workers. because every corporation wishes to turn a greater profit they shall try to reduce the work of making a product in order to create it faster, further the more they'll pay the employee to ensure that a good job is done. it should also be mentioned that when new technology is introduced, eventually so does new jobs relating to the new technology.
When you maximize the gains of your corporation you maximize the payment of your workers.
As such we can now clearly say after examining these principles and the state of reality as history judges that this argument is nothing but emotion fueled fearful rhetoric.
Gabriel Moore
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Joshua Jenkins
>home, car, computer, and other possessions. these can all create economic value also this is now a safety thread
Kevin Moore
Do you have any reliable sources?
Grayson Perry
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Lucas Price
Jacob (((Schiff))) was head of the New York investment firm Kuhn, Loeb and Co. He was one of the principal backers of the Bolshevik revolution and personally financed (((Trotsky)))'s aka (((Lev Davidovich Bronstein))) trip from New York to Russia. He was a major contributor to Woodrow Wilson's presidential campaign and an advocate for passage of the Federal Reserve Act. (p. 210)
Dominic Murphy
Reliable source?
Evan Robinson
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Nathan Stewart
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Gabriel Williams
Fuck off leftypol your autism doesnt belong on our board go back to your safespace which we ruined
Fuck off commie bastard. Try to name one successful communist country in history. Pro tip you can't.
Adrian Gray
Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party was made up as follows: NAME NATIONALITY (((Bronstein))) ((((Trotsky)))) Jew Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew Lourie (Larine) Jew Ouritski Jew Volodarski Jew Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jew Smidovitch Jew Sverdlof (Yankel) Jew Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian Krylenko Russian Lounatcharski Russian
Henry Richardson
Sounds like it works.
Kevin Scott
lol
Luke Flores
members of the Extraordinary Commission of Moscow:
NAME NATIONALITY Dzerjinski (president) Pole Peters (vice-president) Lett Chklovski Jew Kheifiss Jew Zeistine Jew Razmirovitch Jew Kronberg Jew Khaikina Jewess Karlson Lett Schaumann Jew Leontovitch Jew Jacob Goldine Jew Glaperstein Jew Kniggisen Jew Latzis Lett Schillenkuss Jew Janson Lett Rivkine Jew Antonof Russian Delafabre Jew Tsitkine Jew Roskirovitch Jew G. Sverdlof Jew Biesenski Jew Blioumkine Jew Alexandrevitch Russian I. Model Jew Routenberg Jew Pines Jew Sachs Jew Daybol Lett Saissoune Armenian Deylkenen Lett Liebert Jew Vogel German Zakiss Lett
Carter Reed
Someone tried to convince me Wisconsin was the most successful communist state once.
Jayden Myers
When was mass killing a bad thing? I thought a majority of Sup Forums users are nazis.
Juan Powell
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Kevin White
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Luke Robinson
>Yugoslavia was pretty good t. American who grew up with the wonders of Capitalism and abundance
Yea no, faggot. I am Serbian diaspora born in 1987, this shit was never good. Communism and socialism eat your fucking soul out of your body if you are one who wishes to better themselves by their own accord.
John Roberts
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Adam James
What do you guys think about China and Socialism with Chinese Characteristics? Is it an example of Socialism succeeding?
Colton Roberts
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Thomas Smith
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Tyler Rogers
CCP is perhaps the worst and most incompetent commie org to ever disgrace this planet, there's a lot of infighting that results in asinine decrees ever since their LMAO kicked the bucket; the damage they've done in their "cultural revolution" is beyond redemtion and to make matters worse, every governing misstep they make cannot ever be undone for they must come across as infallible to the average chink.
I give them one major internal crisis before chyna goes back under its rightful government, that is taiwanese
Isaac Torres
Rojava? Seychelles? Tito's Yugoslavia after 1948? Sankara's Burkina Faso?
Jose Howard
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Ryan Cooper
>look at this one guy out of million who shaked Mao's hand one time >and this one Jewish politician whose only apparent wrong doing is being Jewish! >This totally confirms my conspiracy that Jews control everything in China, despite their representation statistically matching the demographics of the country! Come on, I can believe that Jews are running the American media because you can see the direct effects and overrepresentation of them, but this pic is just far-fetched.
Mason Johnson
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Julian Wood
>born in 1987 You lived through its decline.
Logan Russell
>Is it an example of Socialism succeeding? it's an example of "capitalism" "succeeding". A state led by a beurocratic elite supported by a large cast of millionares who rule their people with an iron fist. The chinese communist party's policies for worker rights and conditions would be denunced as 'neoliberal' by any left-wing party in a first wolrd democracy.
Kevin Young
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Jacob Wright
saging a shill thread
Luke Edwards
Badass Trotsky depicted as the devil
Justin Scott
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Wyatt Green
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Josiah Rogers
All of these "ideologies" are shit.
Go back to /Leftypol/.
Connor Flores
wtf I hate spain now
William Reed
Hans (deep breath) i don't have much time now but i'll give you this; 1972 Nixon-Mao, USA transfer of technology to China, (((USA))) gets cheap labbor and competitive products it can place on markets world wide china gets technology, work, shekels, factories and it can in to first world
Robert Lewis
don't forget the SC seat stolen from ROC
Charles Cook
i don't know about that care to explain in short
Bentley Rogers
>its rightful government, that is taiwanese You're right, China needs diversity and cultural enrichment! They should do what the West says, because we know best what is good for the Chinese people and Democracy worked so well in the West.
They need the free market to optimize the pricing mechanism and build the means of production. It's not capitalism like in the west because the Government controls the capitalists and not the other way around. They merely use the capitalists as a tool.
Henry Phillips
>System that doesn't work >System that brought nothing good to the world >System that ended up killing 80 million innocent goy farmers tending to their memes >Oy vey idll work this time goy!
