Is watching porn still degenerate if I watch it and jack off and edge but purposely don't cum?

Is watching porn still degenerate if I watch it and jack off and edge but purposely don't cum?

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nah ur good

Does pre-cum disturb my gainz?

no. that's really good stuff. it will make you build all this sexual chakra and make you mad as fuck. but during your sleep your body will, by the help from the holy spirit you recieve from jesus, distribute this energy into your organs and make you a testosterone filled god amongst sissies.

Enjoy your testicular cancer, m8.

Watching porn, whether you cum or not, makes it harder to get erections around real women. Unless those women are acting like and look like literal porn stars (highly unlikely).

Modern porn is degenerate.
I watched a retro porn a few hours ago. It had a plot, it had chase scenes, it had car crashes, there were over 20 actors, there was a shootout, there was a fight scene. It was pretty interesting.

Look at modern porn. It's just two to 4 people. It's just ''hurr, I have pizza, lets fugg''. No plot, no characters. one set.
That is degenerate.

Bring back good porn with production value.

Thanks that's what I thought. It only feels dirty after I cum so I stopped doing that.

link?

says the guy who has problems getting an erection around women no matter what. It the touch of a women that gives you an erection.

How about just going out and fucking a White women?

also read this if you're uniformed: darkmoon.me/2013/the-sexual-decadence-of-weimar-germany/

>I saw pimps offering anything to anybody: little boys, little girls, robust young men, libidinous women, animals. The story went the rounds that a male goose whose neck you cut at just the right ecstatic moment would give you the most delicious frisson of all—as it allowed you to enjoy sodomy, bestiality, homosexuality, necrophilia and sadism at one stroke. Gastronomy too, as one could eat the goose afterwards. [18]

> Even the Rome of Suetonius had never known such orgies as the pervert balls of Berlin, where hundreds of men costumed as women and hundreds of women as men danced under the benevolent eyes of the police. In the collapse of all values a kind of madness gained hold. Young girls bragged proudly of their perversion; to be sixteen and still under suspicion of virginity would have been a disgrace.” [22]

and what do you know?

>In 1931, over 60 percent of German films were produced by Jews and 82 percent of the film scripts were written by Jewish writers, though Jews made up less than 1 percent of the German population (0.9o%).

What a coincidence!

Enjoy your neuro-endocrine function being fucking ruined.

Do this for long enough time and sex won't bother you at all.

Can't get laid, son.

Porn is degenerate.

End of story, don't watch it!

Porn and masturbation drain your creative essence. If you are on nofap, you get superpowers and meme magic is stronger. It's actually a common recommendation among occultists not to fap and transform desire into manifestations.

that's just stupid.

That's because you cum when you jack off. Try not doing that for a while and see what happens.

Am I still nofap if I jack off but don't cum?

You still delve into porn and partially relapse. Stop watching porn at all.

You're asking if watching other men fuck women you find desirable is degenerate? You're conditioning yourself to be be a cuck.

That has literally nothing to do with it.
Last time I tried to get laid the girl would start acting bipolar. One moment she'd be ''oh, yeah, sure I like you'', then she'd start acting cold and distant.

Whenever I try to start any relationship it's just constant drama, shit tests, bipolar bullshit and weird shit women do.
I've given up.

/thread

take it to www.reddit.com/r/nofap - Sup Forums isn't the place for it.

you get the same endorphine release you fucking dumbass

Wrong. It actually increases sensitivity and sex drive.

You shouldn't watch porn full stop.

Edging is even worse because you're flooding your brain with dopamine for longer, making life seem dull as your receptors fizzle out.

If you had a wife who was down to fuck everyday, you'd still be releasing semen everyday.

Fapping and sex are hardly different to a male.

The no-fap crowd is fucking retarded.

It's much worse. If your tingling dick is distracting you from being productive and you can't get laid atm then rub one out, ideally without porn. You would be doing the opposite of that.

The endorphine release is when you cum you fucking dumbass

pretty sure this is even worse than not masturbating at all, enjoy your cancer mate.

I know right. Consistently blue-balling yourself is tricking your body. Your dick is like "wtf are you doing senpai just let me CUM"

It's like you are avoiding reading any answer that goes against what you want to be true.

Edging is BAD.

>Fapping and sex are hardly different to a male.

Yeah, that's why people who have sex regularly get ED same as chronic masurbators OH WAIT NO THEY FUCKING DON'T

read up on dopamine transmitters and stop being retarded

No, you get a release of dopamine simply by exposing yourself to pornography material. If you have ever abstained from porngraphy/masturbation for a long period and then relapsed, you will know this; you can almost feel the rush when you first visit the material again. It's a bit like being on drugs.

Focus on yourself.

ok bud enjoy your eventual impotence and ahedonia from dopamine transporters being completely fried, trust me you're gonna love it

>partially relapse
the addiction is to cumming, not to the process that leads up to cumming. People do all sorts of weird fetish shit because they are addicted to cumming a certain way, like choking yourself. If you aren't cumming you aren't addicted. You're not answering the question. Is jerking off and not cumming still nofap?

>Fapping and sex are hardly different to a male.

best part about this meme is that 2 seconds of google prove it is wrong, but the fapcucks always try to act as though it is self evident.

Yes I'm sure the human brain reacts in the same way to ejaculating into the toilet as it does to fulfilling its whole biological and evolutionary purpose. retard

Nice anecdotes, faggot.

I don't give a shit about your

>hurdur dopamine release

bullshit.

Science says that regular sex is healthy for males and females.

You are truly fucking stupid.

>fucking a woman is the same as watching a man fuck a woman like a cuckold
lol

This, watching it after not seeing it for a while feels crazy. It's really bad. Just never watch it.

>the addiction is to cumming, not to the process that leads up to cumming.
That's such bullshit. If you weren't addicted to the process leading up to it YOU WOULDN'T BE FUCKING EDGING

It's not a meme. Your body doesn't know the difference between cumming into a kleenex or into a vagina, you fucking twat.

You no-fap retards are so stupid it's incomprehensible.

This.
There is a reason that humans don't have a penis bone.

NO but you have to understand.

this is called the 'stalin', stalin would bring himself to the point of release everyday, and then stop. this made him constantly aggressive and on edge. it's a powerful method for creating increased psychic energy compression inside yourself.

were you jacking off and cumming on your own at the time?

Got any proof for that apart from your insults?

>fapping
>regular sex

are you just trolling at this point or legit fucking retarded

>I don't give a shit about your hurdur dopamine release

ok bud enjoy your anhedonia just like the (giIDcakP) tard be sure to play lots of vidya too it's gonna be a blast once you cruise past 25, your hormonal levels will start to go down and it will be much harder to treat

Now I want to watch the porn you have.

Why are you ignoring every point people give you?

You really are an addict

>posts 90s Courtney Cox
How old are you?

Good to know. Will continue to look at porn without cumming.
I've already reduced masturbation to one weekly to increase testosterone, not fully quiting so I don't give myself prostate cancer. But I have found I still want to look at it (usually solo pics not video) even if I don't jerk off

No. Whenever women show interest in me I stop fapping or fap as little as possible.
I went two weeks without fapping when I was dating with this girl.

i wish i could but im in a remote location in ND and the population is 70%(1100 populace) men. I've never watched so much porn in my entire life.

>But I have found I still want to look at it
Because you are addicted!

Stop giving in. Cut out the pornographic jew completely

Giving yourself blue-balls is the most noble thing one can do.

are you a roughneck on a rig? or are you a based field engineer?

How's the weather there?

>It's not a meme. Your body doesn't know the difference between cumming into a kleenex or into a vagina, you fucking twat.

Why is that you cuckold? Because the porn industry told you so? Because your porn-addicted brain wildly made up some bullshit conjecture?

Amazing how humans survived for millions of years of evolution with no incentive whatsoever to have actual sex and procreate according to you since masturbation is the same. retard

early twentieth century jizz superstitions and theories making a come back i see

You've been given the answer several times in this thread and you've chosen to ignore it or argue about it. Why even make the thread

"field engineer" for this wind farm up here. The current temp is -20 with wind chilled -40. Today is our first day off in 2 week. It's awful.

This is so false. In high school I jerked off 2+ times a day and was still rock hard whenever there was a live girl on front of me. Porn on a computer is cool but it's nothing like having a warm human woman in your face/hands

>anecdotes
Good porn induced ED

Based, although I thought you's be a petrolium engineer out there.

I'm curious what its like to live in such a place but I'm sure it gets old really fast.

I'm looking for answers because I can't find anywhere else that talks about this specific scenario. When I have done no porn nofap my erections are weak and flabby. The best way to keep long strong erections is to practice. Porn is addictive because of the feeling of release when you cum. If you don't actually cum you aren't addicted to cumming from jacking off to porn, which is the real problem. Jacking off to porn isn't bad because you're jacking off to porn, it's bad because you get addicted to cumming a certain way, and then when you try to cum a different way it doesn't work properly. Practicing erections and jacking off to porn are two related but different things.

Porn is completely degenerate whether you are a theist or atheist.

It distorts the mind and twist a healthy perspective of the human body. It causes addiction, lower self-esteem, depression, social anxiety, and social inhibition and social disinterest. You no longer desire to communicate with anyone because everyone is just an object for selfish use. Your distorted perception of the human body will cause insecurity, low-self esteem, and inferiority complex. It convinces you women are just objects. In other words, a walking talking flesh urinal and a flesh object. It lowers dopamine levels and testosterone levels because of constant masturbating. As a result, you lack motivation, inspiration, and interest in normal things. If you even somehow MANAGE to bed a girl you will be incapable of performing. You will be impotent because you don't desire woman. You desire porn.

Spiritually, it causes one to focus on flesh. You eventually turn yourself into nothing more but an animal equivalent to a Bonobo where sex is all on your mind and sex can solve all your problems. You focus so much on flesh that eventually you try to fill that empty hole in your chest with flesh, desire, and orgasms. You will eventually become a selfish cunt worrying only about yourself and your needs instead of healthy things like love, kindness, self-control, joy, family, friends, altruism, faith and spirituality.

It is a form of cuckery. You get yourself off BY STARVING YOURSELF. It is the equivalent of being hungry and trying to satisfy yourself by watching people eat at a restaurant instead of eating yourself. Then you wonder where you went wrong.

Politically and socially, it is support of the electronic Jew as pointed out here.It eventually causes cognitive dissonance. You hate the Jew for all he has done but you invite him into your home so he can cuck you for his own personal gain. For a bunch of Sup Forumslacks who hate the Jew this is where you all fall.

Jerking and not cumming is still fap obviously. Addiction is to the whole process.

We've said plenty to the contrary but if you'd rather keep pretending you're an addict just because you don't come while you compulsively watch porn and masturbate to the edge, it's your life. Not going to waste my time giving anymore advice.

> Is watching porn still degenerate
That`s just a symptom. Don`t bother too much.

you're not an addict* (you are)

Wake up its windy, cold and dark; get home its windy, cold, and dark. Living in a desolate is really depressing, you're only option to do out here is drink or play video games. If you get real desperate you have to drive 2 hours to in order to taste civilization. But what they call "cities" up here is your average town anywhere else in the US. The local want nothing to do with you and all the women try to exploit you.

No because it's fucking obvious. They are the exact same biological mechanisms.

Sure there are other things like oxytocin involved in real sex but that is separate from the function of orgasm and more involved with social health.


>has ED
>blames it on porn and vidya when he's just an unhealthy fat slob with no emotional desires


Yeah well the science is on my side. Enjoy your prostate cancer.

I don't watch porn either.


I don't watch porn, jimbo. I can jack-off to women in bathing suits if I wanted.

Amazing how retards like yourself think cavemen never played with their dicks.

Males and females have been masturbating for as long as sex has been around.

My god you are all so retarded and retort the same echo-chamber bullshit found on Reddit.

Fuck off back to r/nofap you degenerates.

You are strawmanning my arguments into:
>you don't need sex
>you can live on just masturbation

Obviously not retards, but there is nothing wrong with masturbating unless you do it 24/7 and don't like women anymore, which doesn't happen to normal people.

cause you're meant to come at the sight of a vagina?

never made a girl orgasm on your dick have you?

Well what if I'm jerking and not cumming and not watching porn. Like reading porn instead? The problem is when you don't jerk and you're not having sex your erections become weak and flabby because you aren't using your dick. I don't want to give up my energy by cumming, but I also don't want to just not use my dick because then when I do use my dick it is out of practice.

What do you mean? Humans have no penis bone so we have to become aroused. Animals still become aroused, but it is not the same because of the penis bone.

Sounds dreadful. Althought I would get some sort of high knowing that I'' seeing a part of the world that very few will ever see. I've heard the nature out there is mildly interesting. Since theres no hope at women I'd probably resort to porn too. Althought I'd do it in the drawn out way that helps you train for long sessions instead of doing quickys. These nofap people on pol have a good point but they are a bit cultish about it.

>You get yourself off BY STARVING YOURSELF.

I'M NOT GETTING MYSELF OFF!

The problem is you are asking a bunch of anonymous strangers on the internet if
>you think X or Y is okay and is Z bad for me?

Why don't you stop acting so bluepilled and look it up yourself, Jimbo.

Grow some fucking balls you twats.

>hur dur I need social validation on Sup Forums to live my life

>The problem is when you don't jerk and you're not having sex your erections become weak and flabby because you aren't using your dick.
Ever heard of morning wood?

I've read plenty about nofap, but it never answers the question of whether you are supposed to not cum, or not masturbate.

>walking talking flesh urinal
so do you pee in women?
or do you cum in urinals?

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799

There, I did your googling for you. Now be a man and apologize, admitting you were flatly wrong for insisting that masturbation and sex are physiologically the same.

Your post contains many other incorrect assertions. There is no reason to believe that cavemen masturbated, since contemporary hunter-gatherer tribes around the world do not masturbate or even understand the concept of it.

You need to repent of your pornographic degeneracy.

erections serve multiple purposes. one of those purposes is to hold back pee when you are sleeping and your bladder is full. Should I make sure my bladder is full when I'm about to fuck a chick? Is that what you are suggesting by your "Ever heard of morning wood?" question?

>post-orgasmic prolactin increase

Are people addicted to jerking off to porn addicted to jerking off, or are they addicted to cumming after jerking off and watching porn?

>anecdotes
nobody should have responded to this retard

erections serve multiple purposes. one of those purposes is to hold back pee when you are sleeping and your bladder is full. Should I make sure my bladder is full when I'm about to fuck a chick? Is that what you are suggesting by your "Ever heard of morning wood?" question?

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>What I found remarkably unusual, is many of the camera-men were Israeli and me being part of this culture, they tried to steer me OUT of the industry. They said that I was smart and not the "norm" and that I had a good head on my shoulders. I NEVER performed under the influence, however, my drug addiction became more apparent AFTER my career and the guilt and shame that carried me through to where I almost died! APRIL DIAMOND

Sup Forums was right again.

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K nvm think I misunderstood your post. Myriad of animals don't have penis bones however. Myriad of animals drug themselves. Watching porn is not detrimental unless you go down the jew sissy spiral. And even then. A week away from porn and your natural urges and vigor returns. You underestimate just how much shit a human can take and still recover 100%. All addiction can be beaten detox is real and porn is not hard to quit if you notice detrimental physical or mental effects.

>is eating bacon cheeseburgers OK if I only eat the bun
>is fucking whores OK if I only finger them
>is doing heroin OK if I don't inject it
>is robbing gas stations OK if I only demand the change in the register

I think you may be missing the point, user

I don't know. You must simply not fap. It is the virtuous way. All traditional societies knew this, before the rise of the Jew.

that just makes it even worse senpai.

Yes.

When you hold the cum in your balls it wants to get out so it get's your body to release a pheromone that attracts females.

>A week away from porn and your natural urges and vigor returns.

This is exactly where I'm confused. Does your natural urges and vigor return because you have kept your sperm in your balls for a full week, our does it return because your eyeballs have been receiving porn pictures?

This desu. I love me some porn but I still can get a semi just being close to a qt. If you have problems getting it up its probably anxiety or maybe you're just a fag.

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Really makes you think hmm

Is fapping degenaret too user?

>All traditional societies
WTF are you talking about?? I'm talking about the best way to maximize my virility. Are you not jerking because biologically when you keep your sperm in your balls you increase your virility, or are you not jerking because of some sort of sacred trust with society whatever the fuck that means.