>be retarded >decide to break into someones house >bring your buddies along with you >look for shit to steal, homeowner shows up >homeowner shoots one of your buddies >buddy dies >you get arrested >the state finds you accountable for buddys death >this is despite someone else shooting him >you get 55 years in prison for (((murder)))
It's an old article and fuck The Guardian, but the guy actually got convicted and is currently serving 55 years for what is effectively just trespassing.
>decide to break into someone's house >get your friend killed >go to prison
Sounds like he deserved it.
Asher Barnes
Under the felony murder rule, all participants of a felony can be charged with murder if a homicide occurs. This is true even if a participant isn't directly responsible for the death. For example, the driver of a getaway car can be charged with felony murder if his partner accidentally shoots someone while attempting to rob a bank. The purpose for the felony murder rule is to deter people from engaging in felonies knowing that they can be liable for the actions of their partners.
Matthew Collins
this is the most fair punishment in the history of fair punishments. little shit got his friend killed
Caleb Gutierrez
He should get a lower sentence. 55 is overkill. He is black for christs sake. He should appeal.
If you really need a meal, if you really need money. Swallow your pride, hold a shitty mcdonald's cup up, and beg
Julian Cook
Thats involentary manslaughter at best. And im a californian
Chase Rodriguez
I have no problem with this.
You should get the death penalty for breaking into someone else's home
Ryder Ross
America is so shit
Charles Robinson
Guilty
James Stewart
Good grievance! GOOD!
Logan Bennett
no problems here sounds like mandatory time for breaking into occupied home + life sentence for death resulting from it.
used to be a thief would be killed for stealing that which you need to survive. ie. your work horse/ox
Aaron Adams
He'll never break into a house again. What's the problem?
Dominic Myers
>t. nation of criminals
you can't even legally defend yourself with a gun there
Hudson Wright
I'm guessing 55 will get lowered dramatically by good behaviour parole
Isaiah Baker
They should have just shot him too.
Aaron Foster
Nah fuck 55 years dude. Should have gotten the charge for trespassing. The kids with him are just as accountable, why should he face the charge for a self defense case between his friend that died and the home owner?
Angel Thomas
>break into someones house >get your friend killed >held accountable for the death of your friend Makes sense to me.
Christopher Ortiz
If you're drunk and driving and wreck your car and the passenger dies you are directly responsible for their death.
This is not much different.
Austin Young
Hope so. America has enough prisoners already.
Matthew Jones
He deserved it, I'm glad he's rotting away.
It doesn't take a whole group of assholes to break into someones home.
And even if you did, be smart and check for guns first. Idiots.
Elijah Williams
Double stealth rare
Oliver Turner
It was overturned and he was charged with burglary. Fucking google it next time you copy and paste a story from facebook
Justin Taylor
that's pretty absurd and a complete perversion of felony murder statute. did the kid have a history of violent crime? was the prosecutor one of (((them))) looking for a trophy on the wall or something?
Brandon Johnson
So he went along with his buddies robbery and got slapped with their murder?
Brayden Rodriguez
B&E and attempted robbery isn't "trespassing".
Landon Torres
55 years is the sentence. He's not going to serve all those years.
James Allen
Should be manslaughter on top of the break and enter charge. 55 years is a stupid pointless number, imo anything above 20 should be either indefinite, life or death dending on circumstances.
Juan Roberts
/thread
Kayden Morales
This sounds like retarded Christian law. Shouldn't it be "self defense" and thus nothing? His friend is already dead. The person who paid the price was the dead person.
Juan Ross
yeah, American justice system is retarded
Carson Morales
>actually serving the 55 years
Are you this fucking stupid
Daniel Parker
>just trespassing.
1) Trespassing is only if the door is open or if you're on private property that doesn't require force to enter. This was breaking and entering, which involves force to enter. It was also burglary.
2) He ended up just getting charged with burglary.
3) Fuck yourself, bong.
Christopher Murphy
>Russia convicts lawyer Magnitsky in posthumous trial and Browder in absentia because the state wanted to steal their assets in order to start another cold war which they will lose >American justice system is retarded easy there Putin.
Oliver Hughes
should have been hung
love how anti criminal my home state is
welcome to indiana where we don't take shit from nobody.
Ian Watson
I thought the legal term "murder" implied a motive and malice. This guy may have helped create the situation that led to his friend getting killed, but it was unintentional. There should be a specific charge for what he did, like "burglary leading to loss of life".
55 years seems excessive too. He was only 16 years old. Children at that age don't have a fully developed brain.
Nathan Wilson
If you really need a meal, go to any real restaurant, walk up to the manager and say "I'll sweep your parking lot for $10"
Luke Cook
fpbp
Carson Lewis
>trespassing
A bullet is just trespassing in his dead friend.
Christian Lopez
In australia the homeowner would get 55 years.
Henry Garcia
>just trespassing I have zero sympathy for someone who was "just trespassing". Normal people do not decide to "just trespass" into someone else's property. Even if he was unarmed, he deserves to sit in jail the rest of his life.
I don't want someone who thinks trespassing is okay to be driving near me, living near me, breathing the same air as me, etc
Leo Wright
Just say tax dollars will be wasted on this little shit.
Nathaniel Wright
Okay? His life is worth less than an ant's. If there was actual justice he'd be executed swiftly and cheap.
Adam Myers
>Perversion of felony murder statute Nope, state law put criminal responsibility the outcome on those who committed the crimes which led up to the event.
Him breaking into someone's house could have been avoided. He could have gotten his friends to not go.
But that didn't happen.
Jeremiah Hernandez
Good. Shut up, Pakistan scum.
Ryan Johnson
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. A reasonable man has no reason to doubt that someone willing to break into an occupied dwelling means to do him harm. Good shoot correct sentence
Levi James
Says the country of criminals
Christopher Sanders
It's not American, each state has their own laws that often supersede federal law until federal authorities are involved.
In this case it was Indiana.
Carson Sullivan
Wait, that guy is dictator of Australia? How did you know, considering he's anonymous?
Lucas Brooks
>for what is effectively just trespassing. that resulted in someone's death. A death that would have been avoided had someone else's persons/property had not been threatened.
Definitely should have been manslaughter, but thems the breaks. Basically took his life, and those of other's in his hand, dealing with them negligently. Now the state owns it.
I think the situation is probably too harsh, since it might as well be a life sentence. The kid by few means ever become a contributing member of society -
BUT
these sort of cases rarely result in these sort of sentences without the convicted also having a serious rap sheet. Odds are he would have been a greater detriment.
It is the sort of thing that the individual probably has given such cause for concern in so many other cases it becomes clear the person has to be handled severely since leniency prior has proven ineffective.
Jonathan Smith
Daut.
Blake Flores
>just trespassing.
Okay
>Be retarded >smoke like 7 whole fukken sick marijuanas >Decide that you are a super edgelord >"Hey guys lets go break the law since we're already breaking the law" >decide to *****break***** into someone's house >Bring your retarded friends with you >Vandalize the process, scare the shit out of the homeowner because you're retarded enough to not scope the place out before breaking in >Homeowner wakes up to sounds of hurricanes because subtlety is not what deliquents think of when high on the pots >Homeowner grabs his gun and fucking blazes your friend >Potato is kill >no >Shoots you too >Potato is injured >yes >2 other potatoes held at gun point >yes >Get fucking kidnapped by the evul pigs >fuck >Get told you're being held responsible for your friend getting rekt by Rodney "Rotten" Scott >fuck >But wait! The GLORIOUS (((news))) group The Guardian has come to your aid! >Surely a hit piece slanted heavily in your favor by the (((liberal))) media will get you your freedom? >Get put in jail anyways
Turns out, convincing your friends to commit crimes and do things that might end up with them getting harmed means you get held responsible.
also
> It would be easy, a harm-free ruse to get hold of some spending money.
Breaking and entering is not harm-free. It is not a ruse. Its a crime, it affects someone harmfully. This article is shit and the (((writer))) should be shot.
Oliver Reed
55 is pretty excessive but still deserves prison
Owen Collins
So glad I don't live in londonistan and/or some backwards ass shithole.
That country needs a revolution.
Colton Hill
Wait wait wait.
What? I understand why but WHY
Jaxon Roberts
This, all I needed to see was "broke into a house" and "got his friend killed".
William Sanders
Sounds about right. He got his friend killed. Law functioning as intended.
Isaiah James
Can you not read?
>The purpose for the felony murder rule is to deter people from engaging in felonies knowing that they can be liable for the actions of their partners.
Joseph Gonzalez
>check for guns There was definitely one pointed at his equally retarded friend.
Ayden Allen
If his friend had killed the homeowner then yeah sure he'd be an accomplice to a homicide, but that isn't what happened. Besides, you really think those kids knew about that part of the law?
Isaac Taylor
this really is outrageous. what he did was entirely wrong and he should face punishment but he's effectively been given a death sentence. he's going to come out of prison an old man.
Brandon Roberts
Just a shame the homeowner didn't kill this little faggot too
Luke Morgan
>How can Americunts defend their justice system? Like this: Fuck him.
You faggots give someone 40 months for rape/robbery committed during a home invasion - and the criminal need not even hide after he is released because the woman's male family members wouldn't dream of retribution. Nope, that just wouldn't be nice. America may have more minorities, but we can handle our shit... I cringe when I think of what those muslims are going to do with your soft little rear ends.
Jackson Gutierrez
Felony murder rule is a bitch.
People need to know about it -- how much risk they're putting themselves in when they commit a felony -- including bizarre situations such as here.
Why do we have this rule? Because society takes felony crimes very seriously indeed. As well they should, given that such crimes do indeed often lead to serious bodily injury or death, as in this case.
Jason Thomas
When committing a felony your are responsible for all deaths and damage that happen because of it. This is how it has always been and how it always should be.
Angel Stewart
What part of being a culpable party to any extenuating circumstances as a matter of committing a conspiratorial crime don't you understand?
Jack Harris
Sadistic fucking retard.
He basically did fuck all and he got 55 years? People get less time than that for raping or killing kids, come back down to reality for a moment motherfucker. You don't know what was going through his head when he made a tiny mistake in entering someone's home without permission, he should have got a warning at maximum.
Andrew Hernandez
>indiana
Thats why
Liam Sanchez
Have already been doing.
Julian Wright
>55 years for indirectly causing death of your m8. I could understand 5-10 years but 55 fucking years when you didn't even pull the trigger is stupid.
Adam Perry
>tiny mistake
I forgot that illegally entering a person's house is legal in your country.
Jacob Myers
One wrong doesn't make a right wrong. >hurr, dis guy shouldn't get 55 years because in UK we give rapists free welfare and house war lords!!!
Kill yourself.
Juan Martin
Good, fuck thieves.
I'm sick of this kids gloves shit with criminals where we give them endless "rehabilitation" and second chances and they shit out children on welfare and continue the criminal cycle.
There comes a point when we need to start exterminating criminals and that time is now. Duterte is 100% right.
Hunter Lewis
>How can Americunts defend their justice system? Breaking into a domicile residence carries very high penalties in most nations. It's not trespassing that would only apply for entering the property.
For example in Canada it's one of the few crimes that can get you a life sentence. Breaking into a home is on par with treason or murder.
In Mexico you can get the max legal sentence of a life term.
Norway offers their 22 year max for it as well.
Brayden Kelly
Only problem I see is he is still alive. Too bad the owner didnt keep shooting.
Parker Jackson
Don't crime. Wouldn't be there if he didn't crime. In fact, report your friends who are about to crime, and do your community some good for a change.
He is a useless waste-person, and I hope he gets shanked to death in the yard the first time he mouths off to someone in prison. Where he belongs.
Aiden Perez
100% deserved for acting like a nigger
Don't break into people's homes
Andrew Ward
Ignorance of the law is not a defense
Logan Williams
this sounds they're playing russian roullete on their own accord and you join in for a game, they kill themselves, but then you're given 55 years because you were playing it aswell even though the guy did it himself
the guy who did it is responsible for his own death, not the guy who was there along with him. he knew the risks and took that himself. unless the guy forced him to partake in the crime, then he shouldn't be responsible for anything.
but if the state has stupid laws and they did that stuff in that state then i guess they can't complain
Jaxon Murphy
I think he's found out pretty quick that deferred decisions can't apply to capital crimes!
Cooper Hughes
>homeowner murders best friend >get sent to prison for 3 years for breaking and entering >go back to try and avenge your friend
Jayden Diaz
The convictions were overturned by a (((judge))) and required them have a new trial under just the burglary charge.
They were all given 10 year sentences.
How a judge can order part of a law to be disregarded on grounds other than being unconstitutional is a mystery to me.
Brody Jenkins
it's meant to punish violent criminals who get others killed in the commission of serious crime. not some dipshit teens who commit non-violent robbery. i'm not saying a break-in is not a serious crime or that i wouldn't have wasted either of the faggots if they didn't eat floor on command having been caught but a 55 year sentence to the survivor of an unarmed robbery is quite honestly a perversion of what that law is meant to do. that said, there are a lot of case details i don't know. maybe the shitter was a complete sociopath who put his associate up to it and has a history of being on both sides of abuse and violence, a youth sentence would just hone him and set him loose on society, collecting bodies until he's bagged himself or earns a proper life sentence. or maybe he was some dumb kid who got pressured into it, should have known better, but went along and is now going to be an annual tax burden on society and emerge as yet another burden should he survive his sentence without accruing additional time alone the way.
really depends on the circumstance, in this case i would say it depends on the surviving perpetrator considering the victims.
blame the justice and prison systems. they are built to profit from recidivism, releasing people who will simply commit more crime is preferable because it is profitable.
Isaiah Cooper
It's extremely harsh but that's the point. It's a deterrent and helps prevent people saying they are only partly responsible. You're involved, you take full blame for anything that happens.
Elijah Brooks
For purposes of conspiratorial law, he pulled the trigger at the point that they agreed to illegally enter a private residence to burglarize it.
Charles Robinson
A lot of you seem unaware that "fault" and "deserve" are two entirely different concepts.
Plenty of you did dumb shit as a teenager that could have turned out worse than it did. The only people that will claim otherwise are liars and shut-ins.
Charles Lewis
Except he is right. We not only can't defend ourselves with a gun, we cannot defend ourselves at all.
In Australian law, if a criminal comes to harm on your property because of your actions, you can be held liable.
There was a South African guy in Victoria who defended himself with a sjambok (a non-lethal crowd control weapon; a stiff whip) when 6 gang members charged into his house and started beating him and kicking him in the head. The police wanted to charge HIM for assaulting them.
Australians commenting on how shit America is should introspect a bit before posting. I would give anything for castle laws and a justice system that punishes criminals rather than the victims.
Alas, it is no to be. We still censor video games here. Fml.
Aiden Gonzalez
You're right, britbong. We should go easier on our criminals. You guys are so progressive! Forgiving shitskin child rapists and all. We could learn a lot from you people.
Nathaniel Hall
They all got re-sentenced.
the white kids are already out.
The nigger is still in jail though because he chimped out at the guards all the time and didn't improve himself with education programs etc.
Eli Peterson
your a dorable open a book
Ayden Smith
55 years seems excessive, 5-10 is a lot more reasonable.
Nothing wrong with felony murder laws, though. If you engage in criminal acts that put others at increased risk, then you deserve to be punished if your actions do lead to their death.
Oliver Jenkins
>perversion of the law
It's not. It's felony murder. The explicit purpose of the law is to punish co-conspirators for any deaths that are reasonably foreseeable in the commission of a felony.
Breaking into someone's house in the middle of the night creates a very real possibility that you will be met with violence.
Nicholas Williams
>In Australian law, if a criminal comes to harm on your property because of your actions, you can be held liable. >There was a South African guy in Victoria
No, that's cucked Victiorian law. Not Australian law. I know for a fact South Australia has no duty to retreat on private property.
Liam Russell
You people need to start taking a page from teh bookies and mob casinos in Las Vegas and other American desert cities and start leaving them for the dingoes 45km from home in any direction.
Adam Kelly
fuck off retard your ass will probably get near a year in jail for making fun a of a refugee now
Juan Long
Imagine a car accident. There are two cars stopped at a red light, one in front of the other. A third driver, drunk, slams into the rear car, then the rear car slams into the front car. The drunk driver is responsible for damage done to both cars.