This thread is for the discussion of any and all left-wing political ideology, including, but not limited to, Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Anarchi
>Socialism is an economic and social system defined by social ownership of the means of production. (Workers democratically own and operate the places in which they work, as opposed to private power aka capitalism)
>The means of production are non-human inputs the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions.
>In a capitalist society the means of production are owned and controlled privately, by those that can afford them (the capitalist aka those with capital). Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce.
>Communism is the highest developed stage of socialism wherein there is no state, no money, no class system. The means of production are owned by all and provide for everyone's needs.
Libertarian: Mikhail Bakunin - God and the State (short read) Thomas Paine - Agrarian Justice Noam Chomsky - Notes on Anarchism Anton Pannekoek - Worker's Councils
>leftypol autismos STILL think they can piss in an ocean of piss and convert people Oh man, the delusion is hilarious.
Easton Bell
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Michael Fisher
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Jacob Roberts
sage or ignore Friendly reminder.
If you guys just dont post they will go away.
Alexander Martin
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Jaxon Morales
I have converted like 2-3 people by now. Turns out there were some Bernie bros here.
Ian Edwards
Where else will I post my memes though?
Tyler Moore
Nice communist pepe you got there.
Jackson Bell
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Jackson Walker
All general threads are cancer anyway. Except a few but that's very rare.
Henry Gonzalez
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Brandon Moore
>I could give an actual argument but I made this funny meme check it out!
Tyler Peterson
Im thinking your ops friend, shilling this thread, pretending to be the opposition by posting memes and bumping the thread to get more attention.
Ayden Morris
>implying there is anything you could say that hasnt been torn to shreds 100 years ago
Josiah Sullivan
If is true thanks!
Dominic Sanchez
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Tyler Richardson
Communism has worked multiple times.
Luis Baker
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Asher Parker
Fake and gay.
Xavier Stewart
>converted berniebros That isn't an accomplishment
Chase Martinez
Oh so you can provide an example of a flourishing communist state?
Thomas Harris
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Cameron Ortiz
The soviets didn't properly finance the eastern bloc because they only wanted it as a meat shield.
Julian Young
Dear Marxist-Lenninists, leftists, socialists, communists, or any other kind of liberal scum in this thread.
Your fucking dreams will never come true in America. So take your fucking shit-stained ideology somewhere else.
Connor Barnes
>Be communist >experience massive surpluses and shortages due to inability to properly evaluate market forces >Can't into environmental conservation due to instability caused by changes in political management. >Nobody has property rights, but various portions of the government fight over who gets multi-use assets. Decision is made arbitrarily based on political motivations rather than to service human needs. >No property rights means no motivation to maintain anything. Tragedy of the commons occurs nationwide.
Thanks for helping me study for my econ 101 class user
Blake Rivera
Trump is a communist.
Jonathan Gray
Cuba. Doing much better than the other Latin American islands.
Josiah Bennett
In your educated opinion, what are the main problems with Communism/Socialism?
Jonathan Jenkins
So would you say that communism is just like Feudalism?
Matthew Fisher
Faggot. Go back to plebbit.
Henry Gomez
I am not a liberal. Liberalism is not a left wing ideology.
Christopher Perry
Is that why people brave 70 miles of shark infested water floating on makeshift boats to escape it?
Joshua Watson
I find it hilarious that the swastika is instant trigger fuel to normies, and at the same time most of those same people find no issue with the hammer & sickle.
That's all. This thread is shit, I just wanted to post that.
Ryder Garcia
Zipzappzobotooobap
Jonathan Myers
have a slow and painful death faggot
Austin Cooper
OH SHIT Sup Forums BTFO
Connor Wilson
HAHAHAHA already trying to start those little junior college semantics debates that the fucking commies love so much.
You can't shove your ideology down anyone's throat so you try to bait people into conversations about the words themselves.
Jeremiah Hill
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Colton Wood
>Post economic critique of communism >Retarded commie ignores me to argue with the guy posting memes
John Taylor
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Lincoln Baker
>he thought commies could argue with him
Dude, come on.
Ryan Scott
the USSR didn't send people to the moon because they couldn't make a lifter that could reach the moon without exploding
Daniel Anderson
Stop being a communist
Jordan Roberts
Funny way of spelling "Defected Nazi Scientists"
Kayden Moore
bumping for gulag archipelago and #notallsocialism
same principle applies America kidnapped all the good nazi rocket scientists, leaving Russia with the scrubs and a huge disadvantage at everything beyond LEO
Chase Cooper
103412990 Nigger Kike cunt fuck
passer byers don't respond
Austin Thomas
>communists >arguments Pick one. Their arguments are so good that they continually have to kill people to get them to "agree" with that shit ideology.
Adrian Lewis
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Kevin Murphy
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Mason Sanders
Because they were rich and couldn't bare the thought of not exploiting the Cuban people.
Adam Powell
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Henry Phillips
Except it's the average cubans that look to make it to the US you fucking retard. If Cuba is so great why the fuck is the USCG continually interdicting them enroute to the US?
Christopher Miller
One party states. We need a semi-democratic form of socialism with the main economic principles built into the constitution.
Carter Nelson
>Because they were rich and couldn't bare the thought of not exploiting the Cuban people.
mfw you actually believe this to be truth
Justin Foster
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Hudson Clark
Better instead to mock them and make them realize how utterly absurd and toxic their ideology is.
Jordan Cooper
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Aaron Ward
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Gavin Martinez
nice to see my content being shared
Hunter Lee
Both excellent points. Fuck communism.
Benjamin Richardson
Because the original people who left were rich the people leaving now just noticed the USA has a higher standard of living due to it being super rich and imperialistic.
Thomas King
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Nolan Walker
You are simply posting conjecture. You have no facts, no sources, and a retarded argument mad up in your head. Holy fuck you are retarded.
Ian Myers
All that bread and all those starving people. I wonder how we could fix both problems.
Isaac Garcia
They were beautiful user. Some more legit stuff now.
Oliver Miller
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Julian James
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Luis Green
Majority rule would be the best way to make the most people happy.
Parker Sanders
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Oliver Lewis
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Adam Wilson
Anarchist's are deluded. Without a state one will just form. Same with righting anarchism.
Blake Roberts
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Grayson Rogers
>democracy making anyone happy
Luis Morris
What was socialist Albania like?
Joshua Williams
>pinko calling anyone deluded
Colton Lee
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Julian Clark
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Tyler Stewart
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Angel Mitchell
I have some faith that if we educate everyone they can make generally good decisions.
Carson Morgan
Kill yourself you cunt!
Dominic Lewis
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Wyatt Cook
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Daniel Fisher
A shithole
Christian Nelson
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Jeremiah Russell
Communism is jew thing.
Oliver Gray
Easy 1) Remove government regulations regarding the production of bread 2) Allow private property rights so the entrepreneur can build a bakery to bake bread and a place to sell it. 3) Don't interfere with it's production and allow consumer demand to determine how much bread should be made, thus eliminating the possibility of a shortage or surplus 4) Lazy people don't get bread, hardworking people who earn their keep get bread. Degenerates starve and everyone is better off. 5) Sit back and relax safe in the knowledge that the baker is doing his job not because you threatened him with political power if he didn't, but because he has an invested stake in keeping the bread flow. 6) Renounce communism, become a capitalist, and have your cake and eat it too.
Camden Gomez
thats a dumb quote how about because certain freedoms and outweigh the risk of letting rednecks have them
John Cox
>all those starving people America has the highest food security in the world. Most starvation in America is due to neglect. >meanwhile, in commieland Ethiopia, Venezuela, iron rice bowl, holodomor...
Jace Harris
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Kayden Jackson
More descriptive. Was there food? I've read some stuff about this but it may be lies.
Cooper Myers
>implying there's such a thing as a meritocracy
Jayden Ross
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Nicholas Ward
>the create economic value, such as factories, workplaces, industrial machinery, etc. Socialists refer to the means of production as capital, or private property. Private property in the socialist context shouldn't be confused with personal property, such as your home, car, computer, and other possessions. This is a direct contradiction as all of those things create economic value > Production is carried out to benefit the capitalist (production for profit). >Zero sum game fallacy The actions of a profitable company is benefiting everyone involved this statement is contradicted by trillions of transactions a year >Workers are paid a wage, and receive that amount regardless of how much value they produce. >Marx's LTV fallacies Marx himself never could get his own LTV to work within his own framework let alone the absolute complete debunking the proven subject value theory has provided to the labor theories in general but Marx's never even stood up to standard LTV bringing that up is the equivalent of a physicist trying to bring up flat earth "theory".
Oh and without a price system Communism quite literally is impossible to function Marx and everything based on his fallacies (yes fallacies not theories as everything he's written about economic organization has been debunked or was debunked as he wrote it) is creation science tier mises.org/library/end-socialism-and-calculation-debate-revisited
