Discuss

Discuss.

I didn't know it was autism awareness week again.

This entire board is Autism Awareness Week. What are you talking about?

To be clear America was pretty much founded as a libertarian republic. It has only degenerated to a Democracy over time

Exactly! Let's look at the data:

>Liberty status: untainted
>Economy status: perfect

>Liberty status: tainted
>Economy status: shit

Sources:
1. You know it
2. I know it
3. Everybody knows it

I have no idea, must be because i'm tired. At least the picture OP posted is easy to understand for mentally challenged people and represents a basic rudimentary depiction of the ideologies. Easy to swallow.

How is fascism and libertarianism both god-tier but have completely contradictory values?

Because, while contradictory, they both have their high points and make for good argument topics.

What's good for one nation might be different than what's good for another.

Anglosphere nations are naturally bent towards libertarianism as individualism is a distinctly anglo way of thinking in many ways. Krauts on the other hand are more collectivist and wouldn't do as well with libertarianism because they have a propensity for wanting a well ordered society. They like the idea of everyone following rules from the top in a no nonsense and practical manner in order to achieve broad societal goals That's why nazis were such good record keepers and rule enforcers. Even the modern kraut has this mentality which probably explains why they all go along with the EU. They just don't quite seem to realize right that just because a system is "organized" doesn't mean it's good.

This. I think fascism would do the krauts well with that work mentality.

I don't know. Libertarian morality demands the maximization of negative freedoms, even if it means permitting "degeneracy" as long as it doesn't limit another persons agency. You can see that this might be a revolting consequence to the fascist.

Well, let's put it this way. Imagine a degenerate resides in a glorious minarchy.

>be degenerate
>try to get job
>"hey ur disgusting m8 not hired"
>never change your ways
>die of starvation
>liberties continue

OR

>be degenerate
>riot because you want gibs
>your rioting is disturbing the peace and damaging things
>get shot by an antsy cop to restore order
>liberties continue

The key to a successful libertarian nation would be to allow private enforcement of rules and cultural standards. The issue in the west right now is that the left has hijacked the idea of freedom and dictated that it means "YOU CANT TELL ME WHAT TO DO SHITLORD". It's reflected in our legal system because freedom of association has been chipped away to the point that it's practically nonexistent and you can be punished directly and indirectly in many ways for refusing to associate with certain people on account of their behavior. Even if you aren't formally prosecuted for criticizing someones behavior, there still exists many ways to fuck over someone's life for having the "wrong" opinion as we see sjws do all the time. A successful libertarian society would have to embrace the idea that people will need to self segregate as necessary along ethnicity/religion/morals/income/culture/etc. The biggest threat to a libertarian society might actually be multiculturalism

>The biggest threat to a libertarian society might actually be multiculturalism

Multiple cultures bring in multiple ideas of how things should be run, which is probably why ancap wouldn't work. There are too many ethical complications that might arise within an ancap society and no way to check them. I don't support any type of anarchy, but rather the idea that the state should uphold rights and rights alone.

If you are holding onto minarchy mainly because you see the minarchist state as "morally just" then at some point you'll have to realize that ancap is just the logical conclusion. Minarchists pretty much accept the NAP but don't want law to be private. Technically minarchism infringes on the ability of individuals to create private law. Ancaps have actually done a good job of articulating the concept of "polycentric law". That is, law that isn't centrally created but is instead an emergent property of a network of contracts, informal agreements, and third party arbitrators. That said, yes creating ancap in a multicultural society is probably a pipe dream. I can see ancap working in a frontier setting. Or maybe a highly homogeneous society with a willingness to enforce social norms via ostracism could pull it off too

If you are holding onto minarchy mainly because you see the minarchist state as "morally just" then at some point you'll have to realize that ancap is just the logical conclusion. Minarchists pretty much accept the NAP but don't want law to be private. Technically minarchism infringes on the ability of individuals to create private law. Ancaps have actually done a good job of articulating the concept of "polycentric law". That is, law that isn't centrally created but is instead an emergent property of a network of contracts, informal agreements, and third party arbitrators. That said, yeah creating ancap in an already multicultural society is probably a pipe dream. I can see ancap working in a frontier setting. Or maybe a highly homogeneous society with a willingness to enforce social norms via ostracism could pull it off too

Where is anarcho capitalism?

>America
>Democracy/Tyranny of the Majority
0/10 try again

Anarchism is already on the infographic there's no need to be redundant.

But supposing Ancap can't fund military defence- it seems ethical to steal from someone, if it stops them from being invaded and killed

An ancap society would be insanely well armed. It's pretty damn hard to invade a place where literally every person has guns and an individualist mentality. Plus ancaps would still have private militia groups. In the case of an actual invasion I think it's safe to assume that the militia groups would band together as some mutual defense force. The details of who pays for it and contract law between them can be sorted out later. I don't picture an ancap society sitting back and squabbling over contracts while they are being invaded. The obvious huge upside of decentralized defense is that you don't have the risk of the military pursuing it's own interests abroad and hijacking the domestic economy like we have seen in the US. Ancaps would have the peace of mind if knowing that all instances of force are strictly defensive