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>Islamist terrorist fanatics and the west’s ascendant populist right are now working in tandem. They are feeding off each other. They are interdependent. Their fortunes rise with each other. This morning Nigel Farage tweeted: “Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise. Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.” What kind of contemptible individual mixes horror with vindication? From Donald Trump to France’s Marine Le Pen to the Netherlands’ Geert Wilders, the populist right will now be carefully plotting how they will extract political dividends from the horror. Muslims as a whole will fall under ever greater suspicion.

>That is, of course, exactly what the fanatics want. Don’t listen to me: heed the words of Nicolas Hénin, a Frenchman who survived being taken hostage by Isis. After the Bataclan atrocity, he wrote that his captors would be scanning social media and celebrating: “‘We are winning’, they’d say. They will be heartened by every sign of overreaction, of division, of fear, of racism, of xenophobia; they will be drawn to any examples of ugliness on social media.” What he wrote is so depressingly, glaringly obvious to anyone who ponders it for more than a moment: and yet still the script written by the fanatics will be followed to the letter.

>Yes, lessons need to be learned. Turkey’s besieged opposition HDP party – in a country rapidly degenerating into dictatorship – “harshly condemn” the ambassador’s murder. They also say this murder demonstrates that “Turkey is unfortunately no longer a secure country due to recent domestic and international policies”. Turkey’s regime has backed fundamentalist rebels who hijacked what began as a Syrian cry for freedom. We do not yet know exactly what drove Altıntas to commit his crime: but look at how the western media accept that foreign policy could be a factor, noting as they do that his expressed motive was vengeance for Aleppo and Syria. As journalist Mehdi Hasan puts it: “Western pundits are happy to link terror attacks with Russian foreign policy, but never with western foreign policy.”

>Here is the danger of what now beckons. More Islamist terrorist attacks will come. The populist xenophobic right will continue to surge, and it will capitalise on the atrocities. Hatred against Muslims – and demands for collective punishment – will grow. Civil liberties will be rolled back. Those on the left who oppose racism and support compassion for refugees will increasingly be regarded as the enemy within. Democracy will be chipped away. The west will continue its inexorable decline, not because of the threat of “Islamisation”, but partly because of political consequences arising from the fear of Muslims and foreigners. Picture how Donald Trump will respond after the first major terrorist attack. If, in a century’s time, historians ask why the west fell into a spiral of decline, the answer will not be that we were overrun by fanatics, but that we succumbed to their wishes.

>It doesn’t have to be like this, no. But unless reason and common sense trump hatred, 2016 will mark the beginning of a new, dark era.

Literally "if you kill your enemies, they win" mentality.

Why is it these traitors are never the ones who get killed?

It was a homophobic attack

Dead people don't write articles, user.

>if you kill your enemies, they win

Ah that old chestnut. As if the terrorists are thinking that far ahead. It's quite simple. They HATE European folk. They also tend to be unhinged. Put the two together? You get Nice, Brussels, Paris and now this. There's no grand conspiracy where the terrorists are diligently plotting to turn people against each other. They are simply deranged people full of resentment acting impulsively. This wishy washy kumbaya approach of saying "Don't give in to the hate" achieves NOTHING.

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He IS the enemy within. Doesn't this fucking idiot realize that the problem is the overall attitude toward immigration and not just the specific acts of violence that are sometimes committed against people in the west?

Islam was NEVER compatible with anything other than itself. Diverse societies were NEVER stronger than non diverse ones. Terrorism is just one symptom of that. Yet this fucking idiot, on the basis of false premises about human equality and the compatibility of all culture and form of life, want to impose irreversible changes on societies because it makes him feel good about himself.

He deserves the guillotine. He wants you dead or marginalized into your own country. He wants to destroy your home for no reason at all or, rather, so that he can feel that he's a compassionate person, for his own narcissistic purposes.

Guillotine.

In all fairness it IS what they want.
AQI used the tactic of terror attacks against Sunni's and Shittes in order to create divides in the local populace forcing a split for Sunni's that force them to come to their protection from the Shia purges against them. It's an effective strategy that caused a civil war and almost lost us Iraq.
They've extended the strategy on the global stage in order to try and cause a backlash and force mu slims to radicalize and choose Islamism.
THAT BEING SAID. These people take it way too far and /any/ criticism of Islamism is playing into IS's hands. Really these people are fucking retards and Islamism is a cancer that is in a direct ideological war with the west. We just have to be careful, because amalgamating all of Islam together is a bad strategy. We have to target Islamism.

They want you afraid, not angry

>attack on Christmas market
>homophobic
>Christmas is gay

More reason to kill all of them.

The terrorists want us to be cucks. Checkmate Owen.

Where was this guy when Obama was advocating weakening encryption to combat terrorism? So far, the regressive left and neoconservatives like Bush have been the biggest attackers on civil rights.

>We just have to be careful, because amalgamating all of Islam together is a bad strategy

No it's not. Nobody wants to live with Muhammadan.

Because they're fucking rich and live in the most secure areas of the cities.

They're also insular; they never interact properly with the world around them. So they do not comprehend the reality of having to live near, for example but not limited to, muslims.

Couple this with a healthy dose of cognitive dissonance, as well as the atomization, apathy and dissociative tendencies of the modern western population, and you get these fucking morons.

Well the obvious answer is not not be divided but instead to unify.

Unify so we can destroy our enemies.

The true irony is that this weak and spineless attitude is the cause of division because we all have to try and attack the cowards rather than the enemies giving them reason for their cowardice to be reframed as strength.

Cologne rapes
>Don't give in to hate
Paris shootings
>Don't give in to hate
Brussels bombing
>Don't give in to hate
Nice truck attack
>Don't give in to hate
Berlin truck attack
>Don't give in to hate

I'm probably missing some other attacks, but is Owen suggesting that we are just going to sit around while random cities in Europe periodically explode and then pat each other on the back saying "don't give in to hate" until the next attack? The disturbing thing about this article is he appears to have more fear of the rise of the so called "populist" parties, parties which actually dare to show a sliver of preference for their own people.

This was the first time I ever saw this faggot. When the he stormed out of an interview after the other person kept calling it a terrorist attack not a homophobic attack

adsfglkfsdgklaefg I thought this faggot had offed himself?

What's it going to take?

There's a lot of Muslims. Think of it in a context of the cold war.
We targeted specifically communists, instead of broadly socialists. Israel was socialist yet we were on their side. It's important to define in strong terms the ideological fight. If we didn't make the distinction we would of had to fight most of Europe as well as the USSR.

This guy should be sold to the taliban as a dancing boy, that way you would be able to recoup some of the cost that his retarded signaling has done. I think he will be happier knowing that he will directly be serving his beloved kebabs.

>don't let your response be what terrorists want
Ok. I'll hate more Muslims.

No, now its become

"If you let your enemies kill you, they lose."

>There's a lot of Muslims.

And I want to live with none of them. I'm not saying I want to bomb them in their own countries, but the only sensible politics is to not want to live with them, potentially expelling them and or eliminating them in our own countries.

Do terrorists want to be glassed?

If you kill your enemies they win

He's getting savaged in the comments as usual.

I don't live in Europe but the general response always seems to be that these attacks happen because Europeans are oppressing migrants and minorities, therefore you should be more open and tolerant of said migrants and minorities. That usually does come in with "Don't give in to hate" i.e. "Just go back to work and ignore the fires that are happening a block away from your home."

Happens here in America too whenever there's any kind of violence that isn't perpetrated by a white male.

Yep. He will not though. I doubt he ever really interacts with average muslims.

At best, he probably meets one or two rich and or/young muslims at wine parties in his editorial circles and virtue signals to them, hoping that they will fuck him. (yes this guy is a huge gaylord.)

He's just a sad, sorry individual desu

>Owen Jones

>If, in a century’s time, historians ask why the west fell into a spiral of decline, the answer will not be that we were overrun by fanatics, but that we succumbed to their wishes.
He's not wrong here, though. We succumbed to the wishes of fanatics that supported the grand experiment of multiculturalism. They sacrificed countless values and lives in order to fan the flames, and they did not notice the fire consuming them even as they drew their last breath.

If you kill your enemies
They win

>muslim terrorists want us to hate them so we should go out of our way to do the exact opposite, against our best interests, and accept even more muslim!! checkmate, terrorists!! :^))

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Right fine, I'm saying that is a large part of the Islamic State's strategic goals.
Islamism is going to attack the rest of the world regardless of if anyone is involved in the region, it's explicitly a religious ideology that wants to conquer and convert the world establishing a caliphate.
I'm saying the better route is the divide in sharp lines Islamists from Muslims and to westernize those Muslims, and create a new theological base apart from Ghazli.
I'll use a couple translators from Iraq I was friends with for instance. They were "muslim" but they drank all day long and ate pepperoni pizza. They were westerners first and muslims like fifth.
Ideally that's the best way to frame this fight.

So what exactly are we supposed to do about this then anyway? Are we supposed to just accept it that we're stuck with a group of angry people who plow through crowds of innocent people with trucks and shoot up rock concerts?

If there was a mad dog in this guy's front yard, I wonder if he would want it put down.

I never wish for terrorist attacks but since they're inevitable I should hope faggots like Owen Jones who are responsible for them in the first place die in them instead of grannies and kids who had nothing to do with them.

Reminder hes a literal cuck

Does he not realize that he's the fanatic? Rhetoric question, of course he doesn't.

Someone post the smuggie plox.

This is hate speech, no human life is worth the enriching kebab shops refugees add to our society.

neghole status: pozzed

Whats this guys name again?

>They were westerners first and muslims like fifth

That's all very nice if they stay in Iraq or wherever.

It's not the best way to frame this fight in so far as it's a vision of things that allow them to come over here.

"Oh they're nice. They're part of the 'correct' Muslim group etc." This is not acceptable. The way to frame this is that Muhammadans are not allowed in the west and we don't systematically fuck up their countries. Then they can do whatever the hell they want.

This isn't about appeasing terrorists, it's about preventing a number of relatively small, contained terror acts (which will never be eradicated) from blowing into full-scale wars with consolidated extremist organizations and states by alienating more and more people.

What do you people not understand about this?

>WOW DON'T YOU GUYS GET IT, THE TERRORISTS WANT YOU TO DEFEND YOURSELF
>THEY WANT YOU TO KEEP THEM OUT OF YOUR COUNTRIES AND BAN THEIR RELIGION

>send everyone from afganistan, africa and whatever shotholes in the east they crept from back
>syrians who were living near a warzone can stay up until the minute their country is peaceful again
>this does not extend to syrian men, they have to go at once
>anyone of them who commits a crime gets deported asap no matter what, I will personally hurl a cripple cancer patient out of a helicopter if that fuckface broke the law
>close the fucking borders for new ones
>no double passport anymore, either or
>you didn't chose german? Bye bye
>all muslim organizations will be monitored closely by the Staatsschutz
>any muslim organization who resists the surveillance will be forbidden

There, I made Germany great again.

Jesus Christ, this guy is the gold standard for cucks.

We want to eliminate Muhammadans from the west. They should never have been here to begin with and our parent's generation basically guaranteed that their descendant would have to live with the chronic pain of tolerating these vermin or with the horror of having to kill them all / deport them.

So why can't those nice moderate muslims form functioning societies in their resource abundant countries?

Your kind of mealy mouthed crap is exactly what started the Iraq war, the Libya "intervention", Syria, etc. It doesn't work. There are no moderate Muslims. They have no moral authority, because they aren't real.

WHEN YOU KILL YOUR ENEMIES, THEY WIN.

Good luck with avoiding the alienation of people and the construction of parallel societies when your population is 30-40% Muslim in the coming decades.

>if you identify your enemy, they win
(((Jones)))

Right, I'm saying you fundamentally misunderstand the strategy being employed by the Islamic State though.
The average Muslim dude really isn't the problem. It's the Islamists, sending the average Muslim dude back to his country isn't going to protect Canada any more than if he stayed. But it will piss him the fuck off and make a percentage radicalize and seek out IS as protection.
Islamists are going to want to conquer everyone regardless of if they are in Canada or if they are in Syria.
It's an ideological battle where we not only have to fight militarily but we have to fight with cultural capital in that the "correct" version of Muslims are the ones that win out. Unfortunately we aren't drawing strong distinctions and we aren't fighting the cultural war.
Well because they aren't moderates. They're Islamist, and they organize society around theological lines making life shit for everyone.
There are legitimately moderate's and reformists that are active in their religion, but they're silenced by leftists because of "muh islamophobia". Just look at Hirsi Ali.

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Yes, instead let it be one that far displaced globalist elite wish for;

Bring in more refugees to show your solidarity. Pay more taxes too for refugee programs and facilities if you don't mind, not like you have a choice haha!

Just remember the words of Justin Trudaeu, who will soon be the leading voice of North America and the western hemisphere now that the orange retard Drumpft is president, "If you kill your enemies, they win." What we must do is clear. Open the borders of every country in NATO and offer economy class airfare to the country of every refugee's choosing.

So basically your master plan for preventing islamic terrorism from escalating into global acts of war and the threat of nuclear bombing terrorism is to just kill muslims or deport them?

Not surprised to see this kind of post. The Irish are basically the Mohammedans of the Western World.

>Terrorists literally want us to do nothing
>This is exactly what we are doing
>Owen Jones and other people like him are doing exactly what the terrorists want by telling us not to do things they think the terrorists want

If Mama Merkel is trying to make the public care for Muslim immigrants why is she allowing these terrorist attacks to occur again and again?
I don't believe this narrative for one second.

Her plan must be to generate hate towards Islam or she wouldn't be allowing this to happen.

Why do people continue to act as if this is new?

Remember the riots and calls for the death of an author for the book he wrote.

This was back in the late 80s. The young people who burnt effigies and tried to carry out the fatwa placed on him didn't mellow out, because the young generation are just as bad.

And that event was the pinnacle of useless appeasement because the attitude was "maybe we should consider that they have a point, from their view."

When will people realize that having a nation's standard of living and way of life plummet to match that of the migrants' home country is far more frightening than xty deaths to terrorism per year?

???
nice mental gymnastics Alt Right Dweeb

the EXACT thing they want is edgy troublemakers throwing around stereotypes

when are christians going to atone for their murders? why are only mussies bad?

Give them incentives to return to their ancestral homelands. I'd happily pay out of my own pocket if it came down to it.

Journos need their tongues cut out and their fingers cut off.

You missed some notable ones.
>Russian Flight 9268, 224 dead
>San Bernardino, 14 dead
>Pulse night club Florida, 49 dead
>Ataturk Airport, 44 dead
>French church, 1 dead
>Ohio State University, 0 dead

All committed by ISIS or in tribute to ISIS in the last 14 months.

what do the terrorists actually want.
they dont even attach messages to their bombings, they just go poof.

maybe they should go visit a communication class first

A better way would be not importing those people in the first place.

They're being "radicalised" anyway you tremendous (literal) cuckold.

We could not have been any kinder to these people over the last few decades. Yet they still despise us.

No you idiot what the terrorists want is to destroy your country. What they don't want is to be destroyed themselves. Now, proceed with not letting them get what they want.

Because the leftist suicide religion of multiculturalism tells you that western society, values, and standard of living are permanent and invincible structures (except maybe from climate change which is white people's fault). It doesn't matter how many third-world religious conservatives you flood into the country, how small the native population becomes, those values will always be around just because. Leftists don't believe in cause and effect because it's racist.

What do you suggest we do then? If you're going to sit there and patronise and provide no ideas of your own you may piss away off.

I didn't say kindness was the correct application of cultural capital.
I'm saying westernizing them is.
In the same way we killed Christianity as a political force.

prosecute individuals

stop stereotyping

grow up

if mussies kill the same or less humans than other groups then why obsess?


europe has a .008% immigrant population stop being a cuckservative

There was also 2 Munich attacks and I think a few minor stabbings in France and Belgium

Why would they want people to hate muslims? That would only make it harder for them to attack, because nobody would trust them.

The only incentive they will have to return to their ancestral homelands is to turn those homelands from third world countries into first world countries. It is economically unfeasible to do so, in terms of external aid, and ideologically incompatible internally.

So basically your idea is dumb as hell and you're not helping.

>Glaringly obvious to anyone who ponders it for more than a moment

Really makes you think...

>europe has a .008% immigrant population stop being a cuckservative
Get used to this tactic by liberals by the way. They'll claim that all the terrorism and crime is committed by 'natives', without acknowledging the sheer number of those natives being of Middle Eastern/African descent. They shift the argument to try to distract you from reality.

In 1991, there were 3,800 Muslims in Ireland.

Today, there are 63,000 and rising, projected to break 100,000 in 2020.

Now look at the broader context. How many fucking years was the Irish homeland inhabited before 1991? Why was there no urge to invite a million Muslims to live there in the 14th century?

They want global Islam. They don't say this because it's implicit in their religion. It's their entire reason to do anything.

This will actually drive more people towards Islam (everyone prefers the strong horse), as well as allowing for more terrorist acts because they're shown to work.

They might not take place as a cause, but the connection in people's mind is what allows for people to defend Sharia Courts, because, remember, it's stopping them doing this that radicalises them.

These traitors say "give them a free reign" then when they act violently with this freedom, the suggestion is to give them more freedom.

Muslims can be as bad as they like in their own countries, and the less of them that there are in the world the better.

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>terrorists WANT us to hate muslims

No, they don't.

>if mussies kill the same or less humans than other groups
Except they don't? How many Sikh, Buddhist, Christian or Hindu migrants do you hear about lashing against their host country?

The first step is to turn them into dhimmis. Pic related.

Notice that my goal is NOT to prevent terrorism. My goal is to not live with them.

>In the same way we killed Christianity as a political force.

You mean mocking and chipping away at it and removing it from the cultural subtext?

How can you say "do what we did to Christianity" but then also say we should be hostile towards Muslims?

No one cared about pissing off Christians as they attacked it.

Leaf

>ideologically incompatible internally
what is this exactly?
and what is the cause?

This

Vilify islamic extremism, Wahhabism, salafism, honor killings, intolerance, women as chattel etc

Don't vilify the guy who plays vidya, drinks, eats bacon and loves the west. That guy probably won't radicalize, but he's more likely to if you start deporting people just for having middle eastern ancestry. If they started going after people with Irish ancestry just because of the IRA then that would be pretty stupid senpai.

I'm not hard up for multi culti (I grew up with blacks, Mexicans, Asians, Indians, middle easterners etc so I don't even feel like I haven't already been "enriched") but you really do create more enemies when you lump people into groups.

>In the same way we killed Christianity as a political force.
Christianity is still a political force in nonwhite countries.

You "killed it" among white Europeans with a median IQ of 100

Now you intend to invite in a few million nonwhites with a median IQ closer to 80 and expect them to indulge in the benefits of secularism even though people like that have never done so anywhere

Because they live in rich, all white communities

Gay Islamoterrorism apologist. I guess he wants a multiculturally rich heave-ho from the roof then.

ctc.usma.edu/posts/losing-mosul-regenerating-in-diyala-how-the-islamic-state-could-exploit-iraqs-sectarian-tinderbox
Here, its the quickest article I could find.
It's central to their strategy, and has been for years.
They want to force people to pick sides. Nobody would trust them. So they would have their store firebombed. So they would lose their source of income. So they wouldn't feel safe. So they would turn to IS for protection.
I'm saying we should be hostile towards Islamists, and westernize Muslims. What we really need is a western secular interpretation to emerge in order to replace the literalist Ghazli version.

.008%

source please, does this include undocumented immigrants as well?