So i just found out that in the US, cops can seize your assets, without trial, without even any charges against you.
They just take your shit, then you must face legal procedure, involving lawyers and such trouble to get it back. If you can't prove it's legit (which i just said cost money, and is not guaranteed), cops can keep the cash, and even spend it at will. You are guilty by default.
So, let me recap, cops can seize your shit, without trial, without limitations. Then, in best case scenario, you can pay a lawyer to get it back ?
How is this not plain and simple extortion ? You burgerclaps must enjoy such "freedom" dont you ?
and the court cases are state of virginia v $15,000
this is admirality or equity law, not common law as specified by the founders
Lucas Ross
The most conservative voting state in the nation.
This is why Trump's "we love the police" is worrying. There's no doubt that coloreds are a problem, but we should be careful not to fall into blind police worship.
Anthony Bailey
No they can confiscate anything about of money, say 2000, or property if they assume without probable cause that it's related to drugs. Happened to a buddy of mine years ago. Drove from California here to Florida for a fresh start with 2500 as pocket cash from selling some his stuff, cop pulled him over in Georgia, asked if any large bills were with him, my friend said yes, and the officer took it solely because the cop assumed it was related to drugs. Took him forever to get his money back but he did.
Jaxson Long
Civil forfeiture was used as a weapon for the war on drugs. It was hard to pin crimes on criminal organizations and even if you do convict someone, it's probably going to be someone on the bottom of the ladder. With civil forfeiture, they could target organization's assets rather than people, which has a different minimal bar of proving guilt. It was effective at crippling those organizations. The problem now is that cops are using it as you said, to enrich themselves by targeting people they shouldn't. They should reform the law.
Hudson Myers
Jesus Christ there is enough in the pic to buy a fucking house.
Michael Bell
Bullshit, they can't illegally search his car or make him hand over that money without a proper reason.
Jonathan Cook
Look up the laws and stories faggot. In many states they can.
Aiden Bennett
>be American >get robbed by police
Colton Campbell
If they believe that the money is connected to a crime, i.e. obtained by selling drugs, then they can. It's up to the owner to prove his property wasn't used in a crime, not the other way around. Since civil forfeiture targets property rather than people like criminal forfeiture, the rules are different.
Daniel Scott
>be german >get btfo by trucks
Robert Bennett
Thats the point of the thread, they can m8.
That's the actual case, real problem is that cops can spend the cash, so they litteraly like to seize random stuffs using this law, since they know it'll be difficult for the owner to reclaim it.
Like cop asshole would like a new fancy car for his unit, he pops any citizen with cash and just sees an occasion to get what he wants with it.
Jose Clark
can confirm >600$ taken
Benjamin Miller
We have similar laws here relating to forfeiture and drugs.
SAD!
Ryder Brown
Civil forefiture was derived from your nigger revolutions. Thanks a lot for that.
Leo Brown
or you can choose to not do illegal narcotics, not associate with people who do, and not involve yourself in degenerate drug culture.
then, nothing happens. it like magic yo
Joshua Barnes
Not true, Your buddys got the story wrong. I seen drug dealers get pulled over with 6k in cash and walk away clean, you had a corrupt cop take your money.
Logan Butler
Is this tied to conservatism? It isn't immediately obvious to me how the 2 are related.
Gabriel Wilson
This is drug money Carl! This be ours now, you wuz drug money n sheeeeit.
You ain't never been clean Carl!
Brandon Phillips
will bump with cash money pictures. Seems to work as good as tits.
Carson Diaz
>drive with big amount of cash to buy a new car or whatever >Get pulled over >"Do you have any large amount of money in the car sir ?" >Get your cash seized
That's how it go m8, no niggers or narcotics involved in the process.
Sebastian Long
Yeah, and they can also tax you. You know what happens when you don't pay your taxes.
Lucas Brooks
This law was used to take money from cocaine faggots.
It violates the NAP so I disagree with it, but you can't just take this out of the historical context.
Nathaniel Flores
more like >be american >be extorted, robbed, blackmailed and profiled by the police >bootlicker statist will defend it because NIMBY
Brandon James
They do all the times in africa, why don't you respect the american multicultural choice?
Jaxon Bell
>NAP
Joseph Cooper
they can do that in yurop as well, fyi
hue
Ethan Scott
you have to get to trial for that to happen
and if they seize your car, your cash on hand, and any pawnable assets they find on your person (or in said car), you can't actually function
you can't get to a trial, let alone your job, and the whole time, they have all your shit
the problem isn't that it can be overturned, the problem is that dudes with a gun can walk off with everything and put the burden of proof on YOU while you waste your life catching the bus to the courthouse
the poor and anyone who can't speak English basically just get boned
Austin Phillips
Read the vampire of the continent by Reventlow for that was exactly the british policy on ships seized over alleged contrabband.
Jacob Lee
They've taken cash from small business owners, on their way to the bank.
Nothing to do with drugs.
This is the RICO act's bastard child.
Ian Foster
do you have sources ? i can't find nothing
Matthew Smith
In Georgia they cannot. Before anything is seized it must be proven to be fruits of a crime.
Elijah Ross
Yea that dosent happen. The officer can seize the item but then it remains in evidence until it is proven to be fruit of a crime.
David Phillips
It's been ruled unconstitutional, it just needs to go up through the court system.
Liam Evans
oh look a foreigner talking about American politics. fuck you frenchie.
as usual, pol has half the narritive.
civil forfeiture is awesome when you were stupid enough to live at grandmas while slingin crack. the law has the option of taking all the property of anyone who didnt know what was going on on their property.
enter civil forfeiture, in instances such as parents letting their kid grow closet-pot in a not legal state, the cops can come in and take ur house, and if the parents want it back they have the option of calling a lawyer who will go to court and sort it out.....but be warned, in america, once you enter the court system, you're rekt.
you see, Sup Forums, civil forfeiture is 'guilty without a conviction' and you can get back your seized assets if you want to try escaping a conviction in American court. civil forfeiture does not leave you with a criminal record. so for that, it is good. people can get back to work when the cops seize their house because their kid grew a plant.
Wyatt Ortiz
I know we love to hate him, John Oliver did a piece on this, opinionated, but the information is correct.
Oliver Rivera
transport your cash carefully kids. dont be a nigger and get caught with it.
Cooper Reyes
The margarita machine part was the best segment of the show.
>there are cops right now getting margaritas on weed money
Shit like this is exactly why I only EVER keep the amount of money I need in the bank to purchase what I need or in case of emergencies ( usually no more than $1000 ), and the rest in cash, in a few different spots.
Hudson Price
Rarely happens in such a way that innocents are fucked. 9 times out of 10 they take cash only. Rare for them to take auto or house, without more cause and information.
Most often complained about by armchair NWO theorists and dindunuffins (of all race) who are mad that they can't freely sell coke and get away with it.
The law is pretty bullshit, sure, but don't be a fool with large sums of cash (like why are you driving with $15k not properly secured/hidden?).
If you are innocent you can get your money back (+/- legal fees) but it may be a pain.
Hudson Allen
That's not true.
Georgia does whatever they want. "They keep the no- knock warrants in the heel of their boots"
Friend of mine got her truck taken at her house, her crime was smoking pot. She was at home, truck in the driveway, nothing in or around the truck.They took her stash, her cash, and her truck. She had to buy it back from the state.
RICO act used to work. Civil forfeiture is very different.
The RICO Act doesn't work anymore because "real" criminals don't put shit in their names anymore.
Prompting Civil Forfeiture, where they'll just take all the damn money, and whatever, from whoever, left to their sole discretion.
Can't imagine how that could go wrong, but if it does, rest assured in Georgia, they'll "smell weed" and then just take all the money, and whatever, from whoever, etc...
And please don't argue with a Georgia LEO. It won't end well.
Save all papers, all the time, go to court and fight for your shit works most times, (if legit)
Just so you know.
Carter Davis
Absolutely! The "John Oliver Effect" has found it's way to this problem. As said above, it's been found unconstitutional, and is being challenged.
This leaves small business owners at special risk. Anybody buying a car, whatever.. it's your business.
But for now, if you live in Georgia, be ready to prove it.
Josiah Hernandez
ITT: unorganized losers that we all pass up in the work place
Hudson Jenkins
bullshit. that violates our rights. unreasonable seizures without probable cause. sure, they have laws that say they can take our cash, but most people are ignorant to the constitution. that's why you see black people letting cops search them when the cop doesn't have probable cause.
Cop: "Hey you! What are you doing?!" Black guy: "Walking home." Cop: "Come here, I have to search you." Black guy: *allows cop to seach him*
it's our own faults for letting the cops violate our rights. if a cop took my money without a reason i'd fucking sue them and everyone involved in the illegal seizure. they have to suspect me of illegally obtaining my money to take my money.
tl:dr educate yourself france
Leo Butler
you are sickening
How about you don't piss off the cops? I see no problem with this
LOL drug dealers BTFO
>MUH RIGHTS How about you shut the fuck up
Kevin Johnson
Cop: "Hey you! What are you doing?!" (You): "Walking home." Cop: "Come here, I have to search you." (You): "You must have some probable cause !" Cop: "Pew pew pew'" (You): *(((allows))) cop to seach (You)*
Christian Mitchell
are those your best arguments? pathetic. you sound jealous of our freedom. look up lawsuits that got settled because cops violated the persons rights. they're all over. you two are fucking stupid.
inb4 you don't look up settled cases and say something ignorant, or you ignore this post because i check mated you faggots.
Kayden Jackson
I think the whole idea of freedom is fucking stupid. You can hold back society because your too embarrassed to let a cop look at your porn. Like seriously. You're the reason mobsters get away with it.
Anthony Gomez
Oh yeah!
All of THIS.
Noah Stewart
Gotta go Goodnight.
Jordan Green
My point was that you can't realy say no to a cop. If you consent and he violates your rights, you're fucked If you do not consent they'll still violate them and then afterwards you'll receive compensation. Like you forcefully sell your freedom, and receive payment later.
David Parker
>freedom >> freedom >>> freedom
> you sound jealous of our freedom
How fucking deluded will you get ?
Zachary Cox
Civil forfeiture is a serious problem. Many abuses having taken place. It should be banned, tbqh.
I've been following this for years, and some really outrageous stuff has taken place.
It's a terrible law, that is diametrically opposed to the principles that you are innocent until proven guilty. Where civil asset forfeiture is in place, you do *not* have to be proven guilty, and the police can still take your assets, including cash, cars, etc.
Read this article for an overview of some of the issues:
It's a relic from the war on drugs, basically the idea is that if you're a drug runner carrying cash they can take it without reason.
It is sometimes abused, but overall it's not the kind of thing a citizen worries about in the day to day, and given the technological age not something that would be an issue unless you were a tinfoil neckbeard or your money was actually illegal.
Evan Rodriguez
>not wanting the government to know what you do with you money 24/7 >being a tinfoil neckbeard
These are two different things, cash should as free to move and/or store as possible.
Brayden Long
This is just another reason, or proof, that anyone with money who stays in this country is a complete retard. Any smart money has already run to switzerland. Anyone who is still here today, .and has money, obviously wants the government to steal it, that's why they are still here.
Myself I have no money, so I can't get to Switzerland anyway.
Julian Turner
Thats true, cops can and will take your shit. I had a friend that got pulled over, during an illegal car search, they found a single joint. They took his gun and was told he cant get it back because "he had a weapon on him during a drug crime" or some shit. He eventually sued them or something and got it back.
If cops find you with cash, like alot of it, then can and will take it because theres no way a normal person would "have that much cash". This shit happens all the time, reminded me of this chink that was going to start a business with money he legitimately saved, he got pulled over and they found the truck full of money. They took it, somewhere between 300,000 and 1M dollars.
Theres this thing called "eminent domain", it means we cant even really own land here, the government can come in and take the land for whatever bullshit reason they can think of, they will have an assessor tell them what its worth (to them) and then give you that much as compensation. When I was young, I watched an entire residential neighborhood get knocked down so that a hospital could put a park there for "therapeutic reasons" Ive never seen a single person in that park. ever.
They put in an elementary school in the middle of some neighbor hoods in the 70s or 80s, it was a retarded dead end road that parents had to loop around in the parking lot and go out the same way. It was only big enough for 1 car going in and 1 going out at the same time.. At the end of the one way road was another house facing the street on the outside of the cluster, The school had the city use eminent domain and kicked the home owner out and knocked down a house that had been there for 100 years (good condition).
back on the subject of cops, the cops here are assholes. - cont
Dylan Parker
Ive had my car illegally searched. every time Im pulled over at night, the cops take 45 minutes all the way to 1.5 hours for a simple violation like a headlight being out. My brother always has his car illegally searched. One time they pulled him out to search his car, he had a drink in there from somewhere, the took the lid off and poured the contents out onto his floor ruining his carpet.
At night the cops try to force people into running red lights by exploiting "Emergency Vehicle Preemption' system. They sit in the parking lot of a store at 2 am where they can see the stop lights, when a car gets near they flip on their ir emitter forcing all the lights to immediately turn red and the car has to slam on their brakes, if they dont manage to stop in time the cop will write them a ticket for running redlights. I had a cop try to pull that shit on me twice within 15 minutes.
Cooper Miller
I personally know a cop who "redistributes" seized drugs. Contrary to popular belief, they're human being, just like us.
Jaxson Anderson
>eminent domain
Pretty much every country has eminent domain.
The thing that's different in the U.S. is that some states have really loose definition of what great public good is necessary to use eminent domain, allowing any private developer who gave out enough bribes to city and state officials to raze an entire neighborhood.
It's very difficult in Canada to exercise eminent domain for the benefit of a private entity. The last time it was used was on a farm that refused to sell his land to make way for a giant car factory Toyota proposed building (farmer eventually caved, and eminent domain wasn't actually used).
Easton Clark
fucking french piece of shit
you need a warrant you ass. yes, it isn't a trial, or necessarily a charge, but you still need to take it up with a judge.
i hope a Napoleon Civil Law Code book falls and hits you on the head and kills you
