Why are leftists so fucking dumb?

Why are leftists so fucking dumb?

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why is the western world so rich yet theyre the only nations that gives welfare?

Great point Finland, this surely deserved its own thread.

And why is it that shitholes where right wing opinions are the norm so poor and didn't give shit to its people?

FPWP

Cheeky

They lack the ability to learn economics and how the real world of business works. I was lazy as fuck before in learning how shit worked and why our current system is in place and after reading and seeing how other governing systems have a huge flaw, capitalism was the best out of all of them. And they only listen to what is given to them rather than doing self research.

Because you fight against strawmen.

But mostly because they are brainwashed by subversive éducation, they were never confronted to opposing views and -believe it or not- they can change their mind when it happens.The conditioning is hard to break but most people here were good goys at one point.

The "leftards" are conditionned to reply to simple patterns with preprocessed answers "racist!" etc..
These ones are lost, having effectively been brainwashed. You could almost see it in their eyes.

>he literally believes he understands economics yet he doesn't know he's being exploited
>he doesn't know what surplus labor is

>he literally believes he should get the same amount of money cleaning toilets as the ceo

Their entire worldview is based on morals, not reality

>muh economics

You realise that right-wing capitalists are the ones pushing for more immigration into western countries so that they can benefit from the cheap labour and undercut workers' wages.

National socialism is the only redpilled ideology. Free market capitalists are just as much cucks as liberals.

>what does the CEO do?

make phone calls? lmao

coz (((((you))))) are greedy and are coming to us
though we can afford it

Because we take in people from countries like yours, Muslim America.

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lol because they can afford it

Because they arent.

k someone who cleans toilets should get as much as a doctor who was studying for 10 years

The Party of slavery.
The party that divided a country.
The party that ignited the most wasteful war in American history.
The party of follow OUR leader.
Don't think for yourself. We Think for you.
Don't learn on your own. We will teach you what you need to know.
Don't form opinions. Opinions are offensive to others.
Don't try hard. We will make you happy enough with what you have.
Don't take chances. We want you to be safe.
Don't leave us. We won't let you!

And a doctor who studied for 10 years should make less than a CEO who inherited a billion dollar company.

doctor who studied for 10 years doesnt bring as much profit as ceo, somebody build that company and his children deserves it, stop crying abaut your wages it depends on you.

They simply have different morality.

>why is the western world so rich

DEBT
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Really? What did his children do to deserve it?

he has the right to leave it to his children, or is that bad? should your wealth go to goverment when you die or something?

Holy shit
>"if i put it in terms of math, it has weight!"
Fuck man, as an economics student I already have to deal with this shit, but this MCM shit takes it to a new level of banality.

Is it bad? Is it good? Is it right that someone should get millions of dollars for being born while someone else must work their entire life for next to nothing? This started comparing a toilet scrubber to a CEO; the toilet scrubber at least does work, while the second generation leisure class has done nothing for his wealth. You could say "It's not right but it's okay because I can't think of a better way of doing things besides communism" but that isn't true, either.

its a good think because if u work your entire life, the shit i earned i want to give it to my children, CEO does much more than a toilet scruber fore sure, u dont need any brain for scrubing toilet and it doesnt bring much profits, how can you expect getting high amount of money out of it.Furthermore Even with milions you can go bancrupt if you are shit. Commies just wants free shit for doing minimal amount of work while someone else work their ass off building something great.

explain how exactly is he wrong?

>its a good think because if u work your entire life, the shit i earned i want to give it to my children
Why? So your children can be spoiled brats who never work a day in their lives the way you did? I'm not advocating for communism, by the way, I'm just pointing out that this "hard work gets rewarded" idea is bullshit.

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm saying the opposite. It's such an extraordinary, banal statement that shoving it into a logical/mathematical statement is a new exercise in pointlessness.

well clearly Sup Forums doesn't understand it, and this process is impossible without surplus labor, without exploitation

okei so there is few people who get borned into wealth i might get why u are mad here , but how does toilet scrubers deserves share of doctor work ?

Everyone understands this except maybe children. And to avoid a pointless discussion, what definition of 'exploitation' and of 'surplus labor' are you working with in this context?

when you work but not all of the value you create goes to you, that's exploitation
under capitalism that's normalized, that's "how things are, grow up!!1!"

I'd say on the whole the "left wing" isn't as economically retarded as the "right wing". The top one percent of Republicans have good financial sense being businessman but the rest are the most touchy feely, economically illiterate people. They think you can cut taxes and raise tax revenues. They think eliminating the federal reserve is a good idea. They think ten percent differences in taxes saves or destroys the middle class.

It's pretty basic fucking math. I can see why the Jews are so rich in the US.

I'm not mad. When I graduate I will be making far more than the doctor with far less work. I'm just pointing out that "Commies just wants free shit for doing minimal amount of work while someone else work their ass off building something great" applies to the second generation CEO, and the free shit the kid gets is orders of magnitude greater than anything the commie worker asks for. Just think about it.

Some of us are but people like me browse your sites like storm-front and american renaissance etc to understand you.

That way you guys can't bullshit us when we know how you actually feel about a certain subject.

how about you read some fucking books instead of nazi shitposting ??

What if everything you think is true isn't, and you're the one who's actually dumb?

I can already see this devolving. You have no way to possibly calculate that in a system. How would you allocate what part of the value comes from management, without whom the system wouldn't exist in the first place? How would you deal with chains where additional laborers exhibit diminishing marginal returns, despite possibly having the same labor output as those hired previously? It's only 'normalized' under capitalism because that's how the world works, and no system can replace that without use of force or a miracle which changes human nature.

I have read stuff like the Protocols of Zion, the Talmud, Ayn Rand, Nietzsche, Mein Kampf, etc a lot of the books even Sup Forums people recommend


Right now I'm working on Marxist and Socialist works

Why are you?

did you read the pic I posted? capitalism wouldn't exist without that form of exploitation, capitalism couldn't exist without it.

you don't know the very basic economics and yet you're so pompous about your "economics" education


>without use of force or a miracle which changes human nature.

oh god you're literally a randroid hahaha
funny how that "human nature" changes from century to century, isn't that funny?

funny how before 500 years ago it wasn't what it is now... how strange is that? It's almost as if it's not a real thing... hm...

Because they dont progress. Name a base pinko belief. Any thing. And it traces back to over 100 years ago. There has not been an advancement beyond "well it wasnt really our beliefs" and "we just need to try harder"

It is actually quite sad. Just intellectual quagmire of old and debunked thought that tries to remain relevant through platitudes and repetition.

Whites and East Asians have brains and don't have an Islamic majority..

No. The reason wealthy states tend to have more Democrats is the same reason buffets tend to attract fat people.

Wealth is like a buffet to looters.

You're both idiots, but you've made some good points.

That's an amazingly relevant comic. Shame most people ITT won't even open it.

Human nature doesn't change much, considering everyone is still out for what benefits themselves. I would love for you to paint me a scenario in which

>exploitation

is avoidable without use of force or a singular event in which all of human nature simultaneously changes to allow this. And of course I red your picture, but it doesn't answer how you can possibly avoid that definition of exploitation. If you have a business chain, and not just some artisan producing on his own, you will find some managerial position. How would you possibly determine his allocation of value, and how would you deal with a system of multiple laborers in which each laborer does the same amount of work, but each new laborer produces less output than the previous?

>Human nature doesn't change much, considering everyone is still out for what benefits themselves.


that;s literally "human nature" that you were indoctrinated into by the capitalist society.

That's not how things were before capitalism.

Pick up some anthropology books, read them through.. who knows maybe you learn something.

you don't need managerial positions.
workers manage themselves under communism.

youtu.be/T9Whccunka4

If I recall exploitation as Marx used it was a morally-neutral term to simply describe the profits a business owner gains for his time and investment. So what exactly is the problem you have with "exploitation"?

>where did the business owner get his investment to start the business?
>why does he have the money and you don't?
>where did the money come from? if you go way back what will you find?

>yeah m8 just keep getting exploited it's not like it matters or anything!!1!

62 men have more wealth than the bottom 50% of humanity. Think about that for a moment now.

You mean to tell me that under communism, workers will all equally come together and equally have input in some management system so as to contribute equally? Or are you saying that there will be no system, and everyone will manage themselves, thus producing less net output overall.

>That's not how things were before capitalism.
Then you need to make the argument that we can even revert to this mythical golden age of not seeking self benefit without use of force or a singular change in thought.

And what are you going to do about it? When are you rising up to cease all that wealth? When was the last time you raised anything besides a fork to your mouth?

This is why pinkos dont work. They are lazy, both intellectually and physically.

Leftists who advocate welfare and fight for greater civil liberties for all are the least cucked members of society because they are the only group right now prepared to fight against corporatism and private vested interests. They are the only group fighting against private organisations killing the planet, only group willing to fight against income inequality and the only group willing to help the less fortunate.

Those on the right who aren't top in the top 0.5% for wealth are cucked as fuck by the rich. They bend over and take a floppy cock because deep down they hate themselves and blame others for it (as if fucking SJWs on YouTube and Twitter are the reason for America being a piece of shit country hahahah holy shit you dumb motherfuckers). They want to be like the big rich white man on TV and he says welfare is bad, and a higher minimum wage is bad, and government intervention is bad, so I say it's bad too! The economic interests of the working class right wing supporter never enter their considerations. It's all about what the rich man says I should do, because they all believe that if they agree with the big powerful rich white man then he will look out for him, and might even let him in his private club one day. The reality is he fucks them mercilessly up the ass. They then ask for more.


>Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires

You will never change, America.

Why does it matter that some people have more wealth than others?

how cucked can you get m8? just how cucked I'm wondering?

Because "smart" people place logic over emotions and thus are unfit for leftism.

instead of using the word 'cuck', why don't you just answer the question? What is your reasoning and moral basis?

>everyone got along great before capitalism
>ignore all of those mass government-sanctioned murders
>savages don't go to war and murder each other all the time

>gibs
>me
>dat

Yes, you're right. We should give all the money to one man and the rest have nothing. What's wrong with that?

OH WAIT I KNOW IT'S FUCKING RETARDED BECAUSE THAT ONE MAN CLEARLY HAS TOO MUCH WHILE THE REST HAVE VERY LITTLE. MAYBE A SOCIETY THAT HELPS REDISTRIBUTE SOME OF THAT UNEQUAL WEALTH WOULD BE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY!

>62 men
>own
>more than 50% of the world's wealth

Is there a politically unbiased Economics 101 book?

so is it just an issue of numbers? Like if maybe 1000 people owned 50% of the wealth would that be ok?

>buzzfeed tier post

sage hide report

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Way too low.

The problem began when rich CEOs stopped fairly redistributing profits back to their workers in the form of wage increases. When this happened workers had to look to increase their wealth by means of debt (big problem). Over time CEOs and business owners paid themselves more and more money and workers were more and more squeezed. This has resulted in historically high income inequality which is killing our ability to prosper and evolve.

Previously a rich working and middle class were considered great things for everyone, because these groups spent money very freely. Business' prospered and innovation was at a sky high. Now the middle and working class have less money to spend and businesses are struggling (however even in these struggling, or faltering businesses individuals at the top still receive sky high pay). Their influence within the government has also allowed them to gain tax breaks and incentives that make their lives even more lucrative.

However, as seen in this thread, most right wingers are intent on protected and enabling business leaders into keeping profits tied up among a few elites in the name of productivity levels (even though productivity is down, due to poor work life balance, no wage growth and crippling debts).

The greed in the top 1% is killing off western democracy and economic prosperity.

"Human nature" use to be everyone did what would best please the god-king. Even now "rational self-interest" fails to account for most human behaviors.

Nothing, if everyone has enough. The problem is that bottom 50% barely has enough to survive.

Having a high degree of affective empathy + a poor ability to analyze complex systems.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathizing–systemizing_theory

It matters when average productivity raises at a certain % while average wages raise at a lower %.
Which is what has been happening since the 60's worldwide.
The average citizen is more educated, more prepared and more actually productive than decades ago, but wages did not increase in the same amount, they hace remained almost stagnant.

That is literally theft by the elites you can not defend.

WEW LAD

Yeah. I mean feelings and economics sure are dumb am I right?

:^)

Here post this on reddit and get your 30,000 karma.

Atleast one of those needs to be white privileged to draw in the mudsharks

No that's too obvious. Reddit is gullable, but not that gullable, I'll make a fake account and try to post this on various subreddits and see which ones bite the bait, I'll post results

Swap "rich" for "lazy moochers" and "poor" for "oppressed producers" in the drawing on the right and you've got your average Joe's defense of capitalism.

Because they're typically more educated than their conservative counterparts.

>liberals are over emotional, naive, and hypocritical
>oh yeah well trump supporters are racist, racist, racist and dumb

Fuck off mike

Trauma surgeon here. I make $31,700 a month with fifteen years of medical schooling.

poland and ukraine are white nations with 0 muslims
they dont give the unemployed money

This
People that make this argument are fucking autistic

To what do you attribute your neighbour Singapore's success if not free market economics?

Name one country that utilises right-wing economic policy and is doing worse for it

I bet you're not complaining about jobs or pay.

I do not complain at all. I have to renew my contract in January though - I might be able to get $35,000/month out of it. I started at the hospital making $23,000/month up from $17,000/month at a public hospital.

>Poland
>Ukraine
>No Muslims