Communism Never Works

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... Except when China uses a perfected version of it to conquer the world economically.

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Chinese are Fascists that pretend to be commies though.

There is almost nothing left of communism in China except for the facade of it and the political system

God knows why they're still LARPING as commies, maybe because they got a MAO fetish or something.

>they got a MAO fetish
Literally this

Honestly the chinese must be pretty fucking retarded to still worship him because he accomplished absolutely nothing except murder millions of chinese while shouting "IT WAS JUST A SOCIAL EXPERIMENT BRO"

Yep, the government slams propaganda about their beloved Mao down people's throats, even though his most significant policy was causing mass famine and killing millions of his people, yet he's still practically worshipped there. Makes no sense.

It's autistic as fuck. The chinese should just drop all these commie cosmetics and proclaim a new empire or something.

Also MAO is gone their government needs to get over it and finally admit he was an insane mass murderer that killed millions just to test his political theories.

>Splitting hairs

>Small group of corrupt elite oppress and control a billion "equal" ants after slaughtering tens of millions of them
>Not communism
Ok

>People get nothing but what they are allowed
>Elite get literally everything
>Theyve turned their people into such commies that the chinks just embrace this and conquer the world in the name of it
>It's working
YOU GUYS SAID COMMUNISM WAS RETARDED

WHY IS IT TURNING PEOPLE INTO BRAINDEAD SLAVES AND THUS THE ELITE OF CHINA AND GLOBALISM ARE LITERALLY CONQUERING THE WORLD?!?

Like I said it's fascism not communism.

It was some kind of communism under mao but that only resulted in failure and millions of dead like communism always does.

Communism doesn't work it always fails.

Literally nothing economically will change if they abandon the commie cosmetics, the country stopped being economically communist long ago. The government is just being retarded and the people are brainwashed into believing it. Furthermore Mao wasn't the godlike figure that the government says he still is, he was a crazy nutter who thought "ohhh, I wonder if this will work"... well, it didn't.

Because it's fascism, not communism, but instead of working for the preservation of the millennia-old true Chinese culture, it's working for the preservation of Maoist/communist Chinese culture. But its current system is fascism, not communism, make no mistake.

China stopped being economically communist decades ago. It's still got all the bells and whistles of communism but nothing else, it's like a confused mix of capitalism and fascism. If it was still economically communist it'd just be a giant shithole, and probably similar to North Korea. But it isn't.

>... Except when China ditches total communism, privatizes industries, and allows foreign investors to grow wealth for the first time in decades

>china is true communism

Nah, not for a long time.

>... Except when China uses a perfected version of it to conquer the world economically.

Fuck off moron. 'Communist' China ceased to exist over the course of the 80's.

Communist China was a 3rd world shithole where 10s of millions starved to death.

State-capitalist China under the now economically literate 'Communist' Party on the other hand has become an economic power simply because they gave up on economic Marxism.

As you well fucking know.

>Literally nothing economically will change if they abandon the commie cosmetics

Yeah but it would calm my spergtastic rage if they stopped roleplaying as commies and just admitted they're fascists or rebranded themselves as something new entirely.

I also get very upset every time I look at a map of europe and see Königsberg controlled by russians fucking up all the border aesthetics.

I probably play too much grand strategy games.

>B-but it's not REAL communism it's actually "semi-capitalistic forced equality for the masses, corrupt unlimited power for the elite, fascism"
>Splitting hairs
Wait this is the same argument communists use when Communism fails miserably... Apparently nothing is real communism because when it fails commies make excuses and when "neo-communism" starts conquering the world everyone makes excuses to call it #NotMyCommunism

>It's not REAL communism, they just call it that and have a small group of elite controlling their population with absolute control and thus allowing a small group of corrupt elite at the top to conquer the world
>BUT ITS NOT REAAAALL COMMUNISM
So it's flappyjackism then. It is still kicking the west and it's fancy military's ass because you can't just invade the country keeping your economy afloat.

It's not splitting hairs when it LITERALLY doesn't follow communist, but fascist economic doctrine.

>China
>Communist

蛋糕

Never? Ever hear of Yugoslavia or the USSR after Stalin?

Just fuck off nigger it isn't communism because communism doesn't FUCKING WORK.

REAL COMMUNISM IS A MEME IT DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST.

China is destroying the west because it's FASCISM.

BECAUSE FASCISM FUCKING WORKS.

Which were all shitholes that eventually collapsed.

You just described all communist countries since the ideology first got saddled with the idea of "dictatorship of the proletariat" in its early days.

This is everybody's threadly reminder that there's nothing contradictory between communism and not being a single-party dictatorship, aristocracy, plutocracy, oligarchy, etc. :^)

So we are just supposed to bow down to the future aka Fascism that calls itself Communism?

You're looking at communism and fascism from a perspective of who controls who and how, rather than looking at how they're supposed to manage their economies.

Fascism allows private property and free markets, as long as it doesn't hurt the state's greater goal.
In fascism, the state's greater goal is to act in the interests of the people of the nation. In today's Chinese "fascism that calls itself communism", it's preserving the commie culture.
People are allowed to be enterpreneurs as long they don't actively work against that. The state directs the economy, but it doesn't own it.

Communism is completely anti-private property, anti-free market and the state owns all production.
It naturally collapses because this shit does not work, but it's a few steps away from fascism, because all you have to do is privatizing shit and opening markets, as all the state-meddling-with-economy infrastructure is all there already.
But since your state was communist in the first place to show that your autistic ideology works, instead of getting proper fascism that works for the people's interests, you get this Chinese retarded fascism that pretends to be communism to save face, that still works economically (because fascism works) but makes no sense.

communism doesn't work because they always turn them into repressive, autocratic regimes instead of anything close to approaching muh utopic communism

So it's just communism with a little wiggle room for the masses?

It's communism that recognizes that people are also individuals (thus allowing private property, free markets and enterpreneurship), or it's capitalism that recognizes that people are also part of a collective (thus shutting down businesses that might hurt the national interests for personal/international gains). It's a middle point that is both and neither capitalism/communism.
Communism will always fail because it completely ignores human nature and completely suppresses individualism.
Capitalism, unlike communism, can thrive because even if it promotes unregulated individualism, people, in their individualism, will naturally form social collectives (even if it's just families), but it is easily corrupted over time by greed and you end up with today's supercapitalism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercapitalism_(concept_in_Italian_Fascism)
>Italy's Fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, claimed that at the stage of supercapitalism, "a capitalist enterprise, when difficulties arise, throws itself like a dead weight into the state's arms. It is then that state intervention begins and becomes more necessary. It is then that those who once ignored the state now seek it out anxiously."[2] To Mussolini, the capitalism of his time had degenerated from original capitalism, which he called dynamic or heroic capitalism (1830–1870) to static capitalism (1870–1914) and then finally to decadent capitalism or supercapitalism, which began in 1914.[3] In 1933, Benito Mussolini declared Italian Fascism's opposition to supercapitalism.

aah the good old serbo-jewish double bluff

Good post

Now the question is: Do we just bow down to their superior "Globalist Fascism" or what do we evolve to?

Whoever bows down to the others is lost, we shall not surrender to them. Post-communist China is a disgusting sight because they're worshipping and preserving a culture littered with the blood of ancient, true Chinese culture.
If we did it first, they are doing it now, we can do it again. We wake the fuck up, become nationalistic again, stop caring about non-issues of who has the right to enter which bathroom, and reinstill in people actual moral values and remind them that every right has a duty/obligation attached to it.

>nationalism meme

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>A fucking leaf pretends to have a say in anything economy-related.

>tries to go off topic
Nationalists everyone. And the nationalism meme

What China is doing is pretty far from communism but they still treat their workers like shit.

National socialism just blows this shit chink ideology out of the fucking water.

I'd also rather be dirt poor in fascist italy than a Rich China man business guy

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>China
>Communist

They like to call their brand of socialism, "socialism with chinese characteristics", but it's really just capitalism with chinese characteristics.

I want to say better than kikes but one of their faults are eating dog

Regardless of whether you think they're capitalist or socialist, China is definitely collectivist.
They actually know how the economy works and use it to their advantage, instead of trying to force an idealistic communist society as fast as possible like the Soviet Union did.

>Primary stage of socialism
>"[...] an economic system that features elements of both socialism and capitalism will probably exist until both the productive forces of the economy [...] develop to a point where they satisfy the requirements for a full socialist society"
They're realistic/patient and don't try to skip the primary stage of socialism which they are in right now.
The USSR, Cuba, North Korea, East-Germany etc. tried to skip it and went full blown socialism without building the means of production first and this hurt them.

China is a fascist dictatorship posing as a communist country

Keepin those stereotypes true

The day canadians get genocided is the day the world will have a giant international celebratory holiday

You are free to try and implement civic nationalist fascism, or some kind of internationalist fairytale fascism, but I doubt very much it will work in the long run, because people won't have a reason to work along with people outside of their in-group.
If you meant neither of those, the fuck do you want? We were discussing fascism here.

Leaves have to leave.

I dont see any hope for most of Europe unfortunately. Please take care of my sister over there in spagettiland. We tried to warn her but she's already probably fucking africans while having a millionaire pay for her college or something.

America has hope but we will see what happens with a lot of forks in the road coming up.

>stereotype meme
>stereotype meme
it's like you guys have nothing to say except memes. Wish I was surprised

Out of curiosity, how does it feel to live in a country that was 1/4th communist for 40 years because of Jews?

>China will be a challenge to the US economically
>that ever happening

I see more hope for the rest of Europe than I see it for Italy, while the Italian people are clearly fed up with everything that's happening, we have no good choice of a political party yet, and the current government is corrupt as hell. At least others have a choice.

America has great hope with Trump, he said "China has very smart leaders", and I believe when he said that he meant something beyond their economical exploitation of the West (along with being providers to our consumer economies), about how they manage their internal economy.

What good is money without your fellow people to share it with?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

Memes are all you need though #AllLeafsMustDie #DayOfTheRake

Communism depend of Capitalism. Communism will never "work" without the goods coming from the Capitalism.

Look at Cuba. The "perfect" communism example. Niggers bitch because muh trade embargoes...

USA depends on China (right now) and China depends on USA (right now). I my point of view, the amount of tech that USA and Europe put in China, could be easily seized soon China hold half of Africa as his new market.

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They wouldn't know. Many West-Germans are pretentious as fuck and have no idea what it was like in East-Germany.
They love to sit on their high horse and preach how evil the GDR "regime" or "dictatorship" was despite 90% of actual East-Germans telling them that life was actually pretty comfy.

I don't think there are many countries that are sitting in just the right place geographically to survive without trade

think you meant this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

I love how no one replied to what you said, idiots on pol love to attack an argument they create themselves and completely ignore anything that 'really makes you think'

No replies doesn't mean it was ignored. Threads have bump limits.

It goes against nothing that's been said in the thread though, it rather just elaborates it a bit.
"China is definitely collectivist" because fascism disdains neither collectivism nor individualism.
"China knows how the economy works" because China is a fascist economy desperately clinging onto communist culture, so it wouldn't be a surprise if they were to use fascist means to reach a communist goal. But just like last time they went full commie, they'll fail, it won't be "real communism", they will fall back into fascism by reopening markets (again with the end goal of reaching "real communism") or go and get trapped into full capitalist this time.

I read it and just went "hmm ok thanks for sharing"

Here I'll do it:

Hmm ok thanks for sharing

I feel like the west needs to study China more

Japanese know they are the jews of Asia and were perfectly understandable when they chose to kill them in WW2 with little mercy during war.

Did you miss the entire second point of stages of socialism? Its easy to say communism doesn't work when it hasn't yet been reached. its like saying intergalactic travel doesn't work when all we've done is take robots to mars.

Also you're making basic errors in thinking, there are rich people in china, they are capitalists. However the the state power is in the hands of the working-class though its vanguard, the Communist Party of China. State industry is oriented toward goals set by the vanguard rather than dictated to by market forces. Capitalists do exist in China because the foremost task is to develop the country's productive forces but they do not decide policy, because they do not comprise a ruling class and are unable to influence or dictate any form of policy through direct or indirect means.

I didn't, you either purposefully ignored my point or lack basic logical deductive skills as the good communist that you are.
Communist China was communist until it collapsed into the """State-capitalist""" (i.e., fascist economy without the rest of the ideology attached that makes it work for the good of the nation) system it is under right now.
Communism FAILED yet again.

Then you told us that I cannot say that communism has failed, because China is actually using capitalistic/fascist economic means to reach an utopic communist end goal!
I'm telling you that while it is successful now, ironically proving that capitalism (and fascism) work better to raise a nation from utter poverty (caused by the previous communist regime) to be an economic superpower than communism, as soon as it switches back to full communism it will crumble horribly again, as communism ALWAYS did.

>China
>communist

The fact that there's only one party in complete control over everything doesn't, by itself, mean they're communists, you fucking nigger. You're thinking of fascism.

You keep saying the political system of china is is fascism when it's clearly not. Here is a widely accepted definition of socialism for you:

In Marxist theory, socialism, also called lower-stage communism or the socialist mode of production, refers to a specific historical phase of economic development and its corresponding set of social relations that supersede capitalism in the schema of historical materialism. The Marxist definition of socialism is a mode of production where the sole criterion for production is use-value and therefore the law of value no longer directs economic activity. Marxist production for use is coordinated through conscious economic planning, while distribution of economic output is based on the principle of to each according to his contribution. The social relations of socialism are characterized by the working class effectively owning the means of production and the means of their livelihood, either through cooperative enterprises or by public ownership or private artisanal tools and self-management, so that the social surplus accrues to the working class and society as a whole.

You realise that to transform China from what it was in 1949 - A backwards country with poor technology and literacy and gigantic population, collectivisation and central planning was necessary in the period 1949-1976 to get it into the current stage it's in.

Honestly Italy it's like you don't know your history?

I keep saying the economics of today's China follow closely the fascist doctrine which you can readily read about in this post or just by doing a quick google search about fascist corporatism or national socialist economy. I never reject the vestiges of communist China, as they are all that is wrong with the country.

I find it very funny that you tell me that China right now is socialistic, when the biggest "exploitation of workers by capitalist pigs" goes on in low-wage, cheap-labour but economically rising, post-communist socialist-only-in-name countries like China and Vietnam.

>You realise that to transform China from what it was in 1949 - A backwards country with poor technology and literacy and gigantic population, collectivisation and central planning was necessary in the period 1949-1976 to get it into the current stage it's in.
It took Hitler four to five years to rebuild Germany from a country destroyed by debt, hyperinflation and poverty to a world superpower which both the capitalist and communist world had to join forces to suppress, by following the fascist/nationalsocialist economic doctrine.
So it took 30 years for China to do the same after murdering a millenary culture in the name of communism, by dropping its economic premises while keeping all the symbolisms and following the same formula as fascism?

They call themselves Communists

Germany at the time was a technological superpower, they were the most technologically advanced nation at the time, With a plethora of inventions and notable scientifc discoveries its not hard to understand how Hitler was able to rebuild Germany.

Even Lenin thought that in 1917 they should wait for a revolution to begin in Germany as Germany already possessed the means of production and they could have skipped the collectivization phase and gone straight to socialism.

Also consider the scale Germanys population and landmass were significantly smaller than Chinas, and the germans were also educated and familiar with their economic system, there was no period of learning.

Granted, which is why China's uprising has been slow but steady ever since they dropped communism in favour of fascism with a commie facade.

It doesn't make them any less fascist, or any more communist though.

> Chinese "fascists"

China is the most capitalist country in the world

Agree to disagree, we're arguing semantics at this point. I see what you're saying, we just interpret it in different ways.

This. Also, North Korea is pretty much just a modern day Third Reich