Why MGTOW is for faggots, but Sup Forums should still support it.
Most women do not identify as feminists, but feminists lobby on their behalf to ensure men get fucked over in marriage and divorce (alimony, custody, etc.). Shouldn't men also have a loud, annoying beta-group fighting on our behalf for fairer marriage and divorce laws? We should view them as useful pawns in a game of chess that make the sacrifices the more valuable pieces cannot (Alphas are too stoic and generally don't complain). Thoughts?
>We should view them as useful pawns in a game of chess that make the sacrifices the more valuable pieces cannot (Alphas are too stoic and generally don't complain).
Using women with penises to do your complaining for you is neither alpha nor stoic.
MGTOW is like lighting your house on fire then believing that living in a tent in the backyard will eventually put it out.
Adrian Williams
Kek give us a plan of action
Anthony Allen
nice get, and yes I agree. MGTOW are faggots but they're useful faggots
Ayden Rodriguez
I don t understand the hate FOR MGTOW , i mean more MGTOWS =more women available
Hudson Gray
MGTOW is for fags, who swears off women? Fags and pussies. If by MGTOW they mean disregarding what females want or think then I agree but these cucks take it to the level of removing themselves from the gene pool. Good riddance.
marriage and divorce laws are bullshit though
Lincoln Collins
No-fault divorce, custody laws and excesssive alimony have made marriage less desirable to many men and are cracking the foundation of society. People are gonna MGTOW anyway, why not encourage them to do it to make marriage more equitable? Many a man has had his life ruined over this shit.
Nicholas Sanders
Yeah get married. While you're slaving away at the office to buy your wife more expensive shit she will be fucking Tyrone. Stay cucked.
Jacob Adams
Here's the botttom line. Everyone wishes they had an excuse for why they're a loser/beta/"why don't girls like me wahhh", and the truth is, it's this mentality. Women aren't special; they're a dime a dozen. Literally half of the human beings you meet in life will be female. Take them off the pedestal, talk to them like you would a human being, not a female, and you wont need to "Go your own way". What does that even mean? It's your duty as a white man to reproduce and secure a successful future for your children and your dynasty. Are you going to let the Globalist kikes cuck you out of fatherhood and patriarchy simply because they can play your confirmation bias like a fiddle? Low energy. Just stop worrying about women and you'll find one. Simple as that.
Christopher Martin
>Many a man has had his life ruined over this shit.
If you ever reach the point where a woman would even think about divorce then you have failed as a man.
Women don't have agency. Spend less time agonizing over laws that shouldn't apply to you and spend more time learning how you make women forget all about them.
Jaxon Peterson
Kek has spoken!
Xavier Perry
I dont give a shit about MRA stuff
but marriage is a waste of time, you are risking far too much of your assets on a gamble.
Justin Nguyen
>lol duty to save white race
ayy lmao sounds like a shit job. I'd much rather just enjoy my life instead of being some martyr for the white race (which is trying to kill itself anyway).
Adrian Baker
I agree with you. That's what I plan on doing for myself. But in the event I'm wrong, I don't want to lose everything and never be able to see my kids. Do you not know anyone who's been fucked by these laws? Good, decent men even.
David Bell
Even George Clooney and Johnny Depp couldn't keep their bitch wives from divorcing them for cash and prizes. Women are opportunistic parasites, and the system is rigged to let them get away with it because "think of the poor little womyns".
Austin Foster
This leaf is correct, for all of Sup Forums's red-pill/PUA shit posturing, you fags have no real leverage in case your wife decides to cuck you and leave with half your shit I predict a good portion of people advocating for marriage here will likely be divorced eventually
Isaiah Barnes
>women are agency-less, philosophical zombies >but love still exists!
Well, if love is defined as relations between gay guys then sure. otherwise you're fucking bonkers and are advocating for relationships as some soulless depressing exchange of resources for access to babbies.
Matthew Watson
Where did you lose your sense of honor and purpose? What, then, makes you better than the slutty women you decry, or a gypsy, or even a nigger? You're the reason our race was falling apart.
Daniel Evans
>If you ever reach the point where a woman would even think about divorce then you have failed as a man. If you actually believe this you are cancer.
Logan Rogers
>women detected not post tits
Ryder Bailey
reminder that mgtow is another one of (((their))) tactics to try and get white people to stop reproducing
Benjamin Russell
>a man doing nothing but supporting himself is the same as women cheating >a man doing nothing but supporting himself is the same as being a thief >a man doing nothing but supporting himself is the same as being a gibsmedat
lol, nice shit equivalences.
I get it, you think men have all the responsibilities, despite the fact they've been stripped of all their authority and women have been excused of any accountability.
You just love getting rammed up the ass, I hear you loud and clear.
Lincoln Walker
Men, find a good woman who hasn't been brainwashed! :-) We exist!
Jack White
Furthermore, I lost my sense of duty to a sense of self-respect.
The duty is shit and thankless. I have too much self-respect to debase myself like so.
Hunter Cruz
>useful faggots
good way to put it. in a paper regarding feminism i paralleled the rise of aggressive third wave feminism and MGTOW to the Calhoun utopia experiment, where the female mice became aggressive and began to take an alpha role, while many males withdrew from mating entirely, the so called "beautiful ones"
Ethan Clark
You guys think I'll be ok if I marry my qt gf who's virginity I took? She's different than the trash girls these days.. And I'm alpha so I think I'm a catch for her.
Jackson Price
Marriage is a 2-way street. You can't unilaterally blame men for divorce, especially in 2016! Seriously?
James Hughes
Go right ahead. Just know the risks and get a prenup (even if those can be sidestepped around).
Lincoln Thompson
>. Shouldn't men also have a loud, annoying beta-group fighting on our behalf for fairer marriage and divorce laws?
Do they do that? Do they actually lobby the government about unfair laws write papers etc? Because from what I've seen they contribute nothing of valuie
Juan Cooper
Not only are men avoiding marrage, but a significant number of able-bodied men are not bothering to work any longer either.
In a few year's time, this will be acknowledged as a health crisis, similar to how Japan has labeled its teens/young adults who opt out of school and stay inside all day as "Hikikomori." To state the obvious, such people are posting ITT right now.
MGTOW, Hikikomori and the like are symptoms of a sick society on a downward spiral. I see no evidence that it can get better, so enjoy the ride folks.
Jason Bennett
Thanks for your valuable contribution to this bread. It's comforting knowing women like you can still be found. But this is still Sup Forums, so tits or GTFO.
Hunter Morgan
That's where the movement should head so they are doing something more valuable than only taking themselves out of the gene pool.
Ryder Bailey
MGTOW is an anti marriage movement, they have nothing against dating nor casually relationships with women.
Cameron White
i agree.
as alpha you can demand the 9s and 10s.
as a beta cuck you cant. so mgtow is a good way for you.
Connor Roberts
MGTOW's message is dead on...but labeling yourself as MGTOW sounds faggy as fuck. Best just to shun marriage and focus on practical self-improvement
Kayden Nelson
Of course white men have all of the responsibility to maintain and advance society you infinite faggot, we built it. If other groups had the capacity, perhaps half the world wouldn't be a third-world shithole. Someone with honor and pride doesn't just lay down and accept it when their authority is taken from them, they take it back, like we did in the last election. Your nihilism will get you nowhere in life. If you truly respect yourself, you'll create a dynasty; your current mentality results from low self-esteem and a fear of rejection. You're telling yourself that you aren't good enough for the stereotypical American dream, two-and-a-half kids and a white picket fence. I'm telling you that you are, we all are, but only if we want it. This brand of cuckoldry is exactly why modern women choose chads and niggers. Do you think they would be degenerates if their fathers, brothers, and contemporaries were all fine, white gentlemen working for the betterment of our society? They choose to burn coal because modern men are so pathetic that we make the choice easy. Ask yourself, what would Clint Eastwood say about the current state of masculinity? Teddy Roosevelt? Literally any male role model worth having? We've let them hijack our authority, our nations, and our society. No longer. This is our last chance to take it back, and if you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Jordan Davis
>he tips his fedora reflexively, knowing full well the fine dame behind the other screen is gushing wet >his job was done, so as his presence was no longer needed, he retreats back to his hot pockets and tendies to refuel for another courageous battle against degenerate betas who won't treat all those pretty princesses as they deserve
James Campbell
Seconded. I'm happily married with a family but am certainly not against autists fighting battles that could possibly improve my life.
Jeremiah Hall
>Do you not know anyone who's been fucked by these laws?
I don't make a point of hanging around with beta bucks.
>but love still exists!
No one said this.
>If you actually believe this you are cancer.
Anyone can do it, even someone as objectively repulsive as you.
But then doing it requires effort on your part to become a better person. Much easier to just blame women instead.
Gavin Lewis
Kek
Joshua Sanchez
Long term cohabitation without a marriage license and pre nups can both be sidestepped by an asshole judge, at least in the US, so if you want the "love and family" life it's exactly the same risk. I'm not living in a different house than my children just to avoid our fucked system. I'm probably just going to take the risk and hope that I screened properly.
Casual sex is degenerate, I guess I'll do it if a slut is throwing herself at me because why not but it's barely better than masturbating. Love is the real high from benis in bangina.
Isaac Garcia
>he thinks he got ANY authority back
You realize that white picket fence bullshit isn't necessarily what everyone or even most people want anymore.
I've seen enough to know how thankless and fruitless trying to create a family is. How it drains you completely. Oh but they just weren't a good enough man.
Well, sorry, but most men aren't ubermensch. I'm not an ubermensch.
And who am I improving society for? It sure isn't for me, as I don't get to see the benefits dying earlier from overworking myself in pursuit of a dizzyingly detached conception of success that is >30 years too old.
You're right my parents have let them hijack the system. It's too big and there are far too many actual cucks to band together.
I'm not having it, so I'm not going to sacrifice myself on an altar to a foreign god that never looked my way in the first place.
Like I said, I've got far too much self-respect to treat myself like disposable trash.
Why would a woman have to identify as a feminist when she still benefits from feminism either way.
A post-feminist society is like a post-nuclear society.
There is no putting the genie back in the bottle one it is out.
Men are just adapting to the new reality.
Sorry.
James Phillips
So you're saying to marry a bitch who doesn't actually love you just so you can get her to pop out a few kids?
I mean the whole push for marriage seems to implicitly accept the premise of true love and bullshit that has for so long allowed for idealization of marriage.
Wyatt Myers
>Shouldn't men also have a loud, annoying beta-group fighting on our behalf for fairer marriage and divorce laws? MGTOW is not what you think it is. They don't give a fuck about marriage, that's like the first redpill they offer.
James Hughes
With long term cohabitation at least she has to find a good lawyer and the proper judge.
Nathan Bell
Females shouldn't have rights. Western civilization started to detoriate at the point in time where they got to vote, they split families and let every male pay for every female through the welfare system.
Jackson Scott
To be honest, everything about it I've learned from Sup Forums. I guess I'll have to read up on it but I thought they saw marriage as unfair due to current legal framework?
Adrian Nelson
Fairly sure they receive more than they give from tax system.
Connor Hall
>weak males removing themselves from the gene pool no problem here >speaking on the behalf of men now this i have a problem with these sperglords give a bad name to anyone who publicly attacks feminism unfortunately the rest of us are too busy trying to salvage what is left of civilization
Henry Taylor
I think they just apply a cost-benefit analysis and see the costs are too great and the benefits too small to justify marriage as a logical move.
Jose Morris
Feminists give women a bad name but they have stilled tilted the laws in womens favor.
>unfortunately the rest of us are too busy trying to salvage what is left of civilization
Ah yes, by giving women and the government everything they want.
Great resistance my friend! Keep fighting the system! B-but don't make too much noise otherwise you're whining and thus a beta male...
Bentley Morris
This cost-benefits analysis would need to be updated if the laws were as well.
Robert Harris
>MGTOW is for faggots
I don't know user, I'm a natural beta male, but when I put on the visage and consciously act like a redpilled MGTOW type of guy I get more sex than I'm comfortable having to maintain.
Kevin Morris
Wow this is depressing.
Sebastian Powell
>I mean the whole push for marriage seems to implicitly accept the premise of true love and bullshit that has for so long allowed for idealization of marriage.
OK, I see the problem. What you need to do is, you need to take the idea of love between a man and a woman, and erase it from your head. OK? A woman does not love you in the way you love a woman. You are not a Renaissance-era bard with a lyre, or whatever. You see love as a meeting of souls, as some sort of cosmic compatibility on the spiritual level. Whereas, a woman loves you for two separate (but, importantly, not mutually-exclusive) reasons:
>she loves you because you're fucking her brains out >she loves you because you provide her with security and resources
Everything else that flows from that is a post-rationalization that occurs in her head and the heads of women around her. Everything else that flows from that can begin and end on the drop of a hat because you fail to do, or change how you do, one of those two things.
So, to recap. It is OK for you to love a woman. Dangerous, but OK. It is not OK for you to tell yourself that she loves you for the same reasons you love her. She does not. It is definitely not OK for you to believe those non-existent reasons are going to help you coast through the marriage phase. This is how you end up alone with half your shit. And God help you if I hear you use the phrase, "the one".
Joseph Edwards
wont work with mgtow a women that wants to be saved is appealing a men who does the same is revulting i don´t have a problem with mgtow, they are nature progressing. but i dont want to be associated with them. the point of this movement is to go quietly into the night. they´re just very loud at doing so youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM
Gavin Allen
Literally all women are feminists, you colossal retard. Just because they don't identify as such doesn't mean they aren't. My fucking mother is a sixty-year-old "traditional," conservative, religious, Eastern European woman. If you asked her if she's a feminist, she'd say no. But guess what? She believes in the wage gap, sees nothing wrong with alimony, and thinks women in the West are oppressed. Oh, but she's totally not a feminist, right?
Jack Scott
I'd like to think my retardation is minimal at most but I concede you this point. My larger point is that women and (((other))) groups have tipped the scales to make marriage less desirable to many men, and that this group of betas could do western civilization a favor by arguing for fairer divorce laws as part of their platform.
Landon Ortiz
Women are subhuman. We need to secure a place for artificial wombs and a future for in vitro fertilized children.
more importantly every woman becoming educated and socialism giving them endless resources allows them to exercise unmitigated hypergamy and run roughshod over men because they can
At least the cunt whores do that, I want to believe there is some segment of women no matter how small that thinks marriage should be a fair shake for both partners based on intimacy. I fucking hate all this strategizing about game and passing shit tests, these slutty cunts exploring their sexuality are fucking psycho and the gap between what they think they deserve from men and what they actually deserve from men is enormous. They deserve nothing except to turn into a graying granny with no children and 30-40 years of regret.