How come Ron Paul didnt get the traction as a presidential candidate like Drumpf did?

why was Drumpf ultimately more successful and widely popluar as an outsider candidate than Ron paul was in 2012 or 2008?

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Because he has the personality of a turnip.

Trump, has charisma, it's that simple.

Americans like roads.

Ron came across as some edgy ideologue grandpa. Trump came across as an alpha male.

Because Republicans are retarded.

Agreed. Ron Paul got cucked by life because people are superficial.

Because the Pauls don't have charisma, Rand especially. Also he got shafted by the RNC in favor of Romney iirc.

>the personality of a turnip
Top kek

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too honest

Frankly, because Paul doesn't appeal to idiots like Trump does. I voted Trump and am very glad he won, this is simply undeniable.

I also believe that only in the past 2 or 3 years have Americans started to catch on to the real extent of the media machine's manipulation. More and more are being "redpilled" everyday.

Ron Paul fought bravely

Ron Paul fought nobly

And Ron Paul lost

Yeah, becoming president is like 99% charisma. Pretty sad, actually.

This. I was a Ron Paul supporter in '08 and '12 btw.

Because everyone loves a winner

Ron Paul was too intelligent for the American public. Americans like to be able to relate to who is speaking. With America being more and more retarded every decade, they flock to a man who speaks like a third grader, because they can understand him.

>Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

the media fucked paul, trump fucked the media

trump speaks right to people's guts. no pandering bumper rhetoric when he talks. he talks to crowds the same way your based uncle talks at the dinner table

Nationalism > Libertarianism


Cucks stand up to defend Jewish extortionists.

The establishment were behind trump all along (look at his cabinet picks if you deny this, also look at how much he declared his loyalty to israel)

Ron paul got squat in media coverage.

Trump on the other hand, got more coverage than hillary
And even though it was to look like it was "bad" it didn't matter, since there's no such thing as bad publicity

A candidate that would threaten the establishment would get no media coverage. In 2012 it was ron paul. In 2016 it was bernie

Both ron paul and bernie didn't give a fuck about israel

Most people just don't agree with small government.

(((Jon Leibowitz))) explains:

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sup Sup Forums,

Rand proved himself to be yet another RNC robot in the first 2015 republican debate

>trump
>no pandering bumper rhetoric when he talks

haha

Oddly enough, Hillary gave Trump his success in the primaries. She tried tk get the media to cover him and paint him far-right to lead the actual candidates further to the right. They called it the "pied piper" strategy in emails released by wikileaks.

He campaign did not count on the desire for just such a candidate who was willing to stop going down the ridiculous social and ecenomic paths we've been on.

because Trump is loud

timing, u dumb fucks. its all about timing and understanding the volks anxieties

Drain the swamp was literal pandering. He even said it himself.

>We're going to drain the swamp... of corruption. Funny how that term caught on, isn't it? I told... I tell everyone-- I hated it. Somebody said, "drain the swamp." I said, "Oh, that's so hokey. That is so terrible. I said, "All right, I'll try it'." So, like a month ago, I said, "drain the swamp." Place went crazy. I said, "Whoa. What's this?" Then I said it again. Then I started saying it like I meant it, right? "

Because the online media had not developed enough in 2008

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Because trump literally dumbed things down to a 4th grade level, and it paid off big league.

Are you retarded? Trump is a celebrity and has been in the public mind for decades. He also has shekels to spend on campaigning, and his policies are really not that radical. Ron Paul is a literally who libertarian, people don't give a shit about Austrian economics or the gold standard so they've never really heard of him

Because we're living in a memeful world, and I am a memeful girl.

>Paul doesn't appeal to idiots
Saying cancer victims who can't afford healthcare should die on the streets is really the supreme intelligent gentlemen's choice of leader.

This, he keeps daily discarding his vague campaign promises and literally admitting they were pandering.

because trump ran on closing the border, banning muslims, anti political correctness and putting tarrifs on american businesses who go over seas

ron paul ran on freedom to do what ever you want, freedom for businesses to do what ever they want, and barely mentioned immigration, political correctness, or islam

the very fact that he told that story is how people see him as a straight talker. people who are used to taking everything a politician literally and then dissecting every phrase/segment to find something to denounce, they're the ones who completely missed why Trump won. why evangelicals and the amish who heard him say "pro life" in a debate believed him and came out to vote for him in droves

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Jews are trying to rise up white nationalism to then pull the plug and destroy white pride once and for all, for a second "fuck white people" thing like Hitler hate. Ron Paul is more libertarian and that's not currently in the agenda.

Paul is far more radical than Trump from the establishment's perspective, and he plays by the rules, so it's significantly less difficult to subvert him with the media.

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For me it was the wall.
The wall is nothing special.
It's not even that important.

BUT, people in the media reacted to it like he was the first person on earth to even mention such an object AND that only idiots would support it.

Rand would have cowered to that response.

Trump doubled down. He was clearly above the fray and an alpha man.

He has gonads. Plain and simple.

The media
Ron Paul was a threat to the establishment like Sanders. The media just didn't cover Ron Paul in some cases.

The DNC/media helped Trump before the primaries because he's the only one Clinton had a chance of beating.

Trump ran a better campaign.

The most important aspect of the Presidency is that it's our representation as to who we are as a country. Ron Paul was too humbly intelligent for him to be relatable to the average retard.

Trump is the living embodiment of who we want to become, a rich successful business man who has the balls to say whatever he wants and gets to be on TV.

He's the American dream realized, so that bumps him up leagues ahead of someone who actually dedicates his life to freedoms and constitutional principles. Trump is iconic. Paul is unrecognizable unless you dabled in happening memes or are another dedicate libertarian.

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1) Ron Paul got blacked out by the MSM, and his own party.
2) It took John Stewart to point that out.
3) Check out FOX news Bill O'Reilly's hit piece when he had Ron Paul on his show (that's when I got totally RED PILLED).
4) Ron Paul was pulling in more people at his rallies than anyone else, up to 5 to 10 thousand people.
5) It wasn't quite prime time to go anti-establishment.

Ron Paul would have been a much better Pres than Trump imho.
Ron Paul was right about so many things.
Ron Paul's farewell speech in Congress.
youtube.com/watch?v=q03cWio-zjk

This, he's more kiked up than auschwitz

>Saying cancer victims who can't afford healthcare should die on the streets
You are ignoring reams of philosophical discussion as to positive vs negative rights

So resources should be forcibly diverted to save cancer sufferers, yeah?
Why?
>Because the taxpayer has the ability
>Because the sufferer has the need


Why not extend that logic to those with organ failure, neurodegeneration, infectious diseases, arthritis and a slew of genetic conditions?

Why not extend that logic to any and all people who are at risk of losing life or limb?

Because resources are scarce.

>Btw, I'm no longer an ancap, and once the US fixes its immigration issues, would like to see some form of single payer take place

>I just think you're setting up a straw man and setting it alight

>the media fucked paul, trump fucked the media
classiclly true

Because the geriatric coward is as interesting as a sprouting potato

>Ron Paul was right about so many things
he was really wrong about some others

When Paul got shit on by the media he just took it. When Trump got shit on by the media he hit back, every single time.

Ron was anti-establishment. Trump is (((anti-establishment))).

Trump is far more centrist, Paul is more ideological.

Trump has charisma coming out of his ears, Paul not so much.

Trump is a master of media manipluation, Paul couldn't get attention from the media to save his life.

Because Trump was chosen at the last Bilderberg meeting.

praise kek

He filled up statiums just like Trump

He had the meme machine Trump had

He had millennial support, he had complete control of twitter because of his followers. The problem is squarely on his shoulders.

Normies

cos he wore cheap shoes to a debate.

I remember when Paul came in second in NH, I think it was. NPR the next morning literally announced who came in first, third, fourth, and fifth and that was it.

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CONFIRMED!!

And he didn't lose his shit over it.

He didn't hit the talk radio circuit and call the MSM a bunch of lying jews like Trump did. Minus the Jew part

This right here.

Fpbp

RP is my #1 candidate. Even worked in his campaign, but he doesn't have brass cajones. That and he was a little early. Honestly if he ran 2016 he might have btfo Trump.

Easy. Ron wasn't a honeypot candidate gone rouge.

Ron Paul appealed to intelligence, while Trump to stupidity.

Trump has that rare trait that makes people follow you. Few have it.

Baiting the media at every opportunity is not stupid its what Paul should have done

>Calling mexican illegals rapists was brilliant

>Calling for a complete muslim immigration ban was brilliant

What a disappointment.

>Trump, has charisma, it's that simple.

Kek confirms Rand Paul is Azar Ahai.

Ron Paul has -1 Charisma Points, is like 4'7" and sounds like a 97-year old transgendered old lady.

That's why. People are shallow. He doesn't look or sound like "a leader".

Hillary's campaign actively tried to make the media paint Trump as the mainstream Republican candidate. Ron Paul was actively ignored by the media and given as little time as possible to air his views. Trump was also willing to bend the truth, say controversial things, and was willing to play dirty on par with Hillary. Ron Paul stuck to the issues, which American voters don't really care about anymore.

Basically, American voters are monkeys who don't deserve a man of Paul's calibre in the White House.

So he intelligently brought attention to himself by appealing to stupidity. Still appealing to stupidity.

Ron Paul was basically the complete opposite of Trump. He used logic and facts rather than emotion and stupidity.

Is that also why they wasted billions into negative media coverage for him too?

Ron Paul said what needed to be said
Trump said what you'd like to hear

Because the kikes didn't want Ron to win you stupid faggot.

Trump is already sucking Israels dick like the good goy bitch he is.

Libs didn't hate charisma when their magic negro used it to win in 2008 and 2012, guess you shouldn't have matched up an old woman with the personality of a robot against Trump

WINNING
TEMPERAMENT

Billions is nothing to keep the illusion that the choice matters.

Thanks! MAGA!

I'm genuinely concerned that Congress will act like a bunch of dicks.

I'm certain that Donald will handle it perfectly.

Ron Paul was a fraud. He was controlled opposition.

>Thanks! MAGA!
Go back to /r/the_donald shill.

Ron Paul isn't a "winner." Yah cite whatever statistics about however many super important elections he won but he did not have the necessary shrewdness to manipulate the media and the raw ballsiness to punch back like Trump does.

Cuz trump actually knows what's going on. Also trump has been planning this for decades, giving money to the right folks, playing golf with the right folks.

>Ron Paul said what needed to be said
youtube.com/watch?v=BvTNyKIGXiI

Nobody hates charisma. They just hate when a person they don't like has a lot of it. Comparing Trump to Dio is a compliment.

Underrated.

Trump already had international fame and a recognizable brand, making him much easier to sell to the American public than someone that most people have never heard of before

Because Russians thats why

The only support people like Paul had were on boards like this. He had zero mainstream appeal. That's why most networks treated him like an afterthought.

>appealing to stupidity. Still appealing to stupidity.

This is your opinion...The working class don't think stopping the flood of labor into their market is stupid.

They can read a supply and demand curve..They know why they don't make a middle class wage

As much as I love Ron Paul, he was too ideological for the average American. His platform was based on relatively abstract philosophy that most people have no clue about. Trump just said what he wanted and acted like a leader.

No they don't.

Because Trump is a socialist that favors white people. He wants to give white people free shit. Ron Paul wanted to make all people free. Freedom, individualism and liberty is not attractive to dumb poor people who want free shit.

Ron Paul is too smart for America.

Working class people in Michigan aren't losing jobs because of Mexicans in southern California. And their jobs won't be brought "back" from China due to automation. Trump preyed on the fear of people to bring out their base tendencies (which lead to stupidity).

>most people want the government to make their lives better by taking money from the rich and giving it to them

ftfy

Yes. they do, and they disagree with your cuck arguments.

Most people are actually old enough to remember the protectionist vs Friedman debates.In hindsight Friedman was wrong on almost every point.