Whats wrong with market socialism

Whats wrong with market socialism?

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They got it the wrong way around. Social capitalism is the way forward.

Social capitalism. As in welfare and free stuff? Market socialism is real socialism. The workers own the means of production.

As in current European policy. Capitalism's innovation, but with a social safety net.

I would like more than a safety net. I want democracy in the economy and workplace just give the workers the deed and have them run the business democratically. It preserves the innovation of capitalism and the democracy of socialism.

Nothing, and It's actually better than what we have now, but Sup Forums is too full of stormfront shills to agree with that opinion.

Nice. I thought Sup Forums was comrade free.

Nah. Britain was the sick man of Europe when "workers" were given that much power. Unions are valuable, but market forces must reign supreme.

>I want democracy in the economy and workplace

None of which ever happened in yugoslavia. Just so you know how stupid and deluded you are.

>market
>socialism
Pick one fucking pleb

The workers owned the M.O.P so they had a say in how it was run.

>Running a company as a Democracy

Democracies don't work, mob rule is cancer. Republics are generally more successful - and companies are already run as republics. CEOs are accountable to their constituency (shareholders)

Being a shareholder should be voluntary and have an entryfee.

>murrica fuck yeah
Capitalism isn't a zero-sum game, retard

>give workers deeds.
>workers now own the means of production
>Run as normal
>Market forms
Market socialism.

Explain why democracy is bad. Mob rule sounds good to me.

It's no different than any other type of fucking socialism.

No because the government doesn't control the M.O.P in market socialism. Plus the profit motive is preserved.

>if I lick somebody's boot, maybe one day I will wear a boot too!

>implying
The government did control the MOP in OP pic. You didn't have a say in anything, the boss was always the party official chosen by other party officials.
Also you weren't allowed to do anything with that ownership.

Yugoslav workers councils votes for managers who gave them more gibsmedats.
Country goes broke and becomes IMS's bitch

t. Croat kafflick fascist

Wew. I Guess Yugoslavia wasn't market socialist. Juts normal socialist.

>gibmedats

Yugoslavia failed because NATO no longer needed an unofficial member so you simply defaulted on our loans.

And Tito wasnt really smart for loaning that much in the first place.

The Socialism part. Being alive means competition. Get used to it. Quickly.

OP, are you that guy from the Political Compass thread that is getting his ass handed to him?

Market socialism means the competition is fair.

Last time I checked it was Yugoslavia who borrowed a shitton of money to create the illusion of prosperity.

Which thread?

The government always chose what jobs were to be created and what factories were to be opened, so even today we have masterpieces like the steel plant in the middle of a fucking valley with no access to any ore of any kind.
Plus a majority of businesses that functioned in the "workers' self-government" program were failures and didn't bring profit, so the government financed them through loans from the US.

Fair is a concept invented for children and sports.

That sounds like a failed attempt at normal socialism.

Fair is when one person doesn't start out with a massive advantage.

That is what Yugoslavia essentially was.

Still, better than the Balkans today. The entire region is pretty much suffering because of Serbs, the niggers of Europe.

However, that's life, that's just how these people are, so to us on the Balkans it isn't really something unusual.

Last time i checked USSR fell apart so you no longer needed pseudo NATO members + socialist state thats stable like a thorn in the eye.

Speak for yourself, Slovenia and Croatia are doing pretty well :^)

No one should give a shit about fair. You're in the U.S. Work your ass off. Compete. Make good decisions. Be a fucking CEO if you want to. You set your own limits. I'm comfy because I busted my ass.

>implying being born into a rich family isn't practically the only thing that matters

Not really. Both are pretty shit by European standards.

I do agree that they're doing much better than any Balkan country.

I don't get it, user.

90% of the richest people in the world have inherited their wealth.

So. Who gives a fuck? Become rich. Or whine. Your choice.

>implying the meritocracy is not a spook

>Become rich.
>just get more money!
>just find a good girl!
>just invade Russia in the winter!

Word thinking.

Yes.

Because it destroys your freedom, leaves your country in debt and kills anyone who disagrees.

It doesn't have to. Thats not a part of the ideology. Plus Yugoslavia was just normal socialism not market socialism.

*revisionism intensifies*

>CEOs are accountable to their constituency (shareholders)
Yeah but they're not accountable to those who make the wealth creation possible (the workers), let alone to the general population. They just are meant to secure the interests of the owners. That's not democracy.

Revisionism is just anti-dogmatism.

The workers didn't own shit you tool. They didn't work nearly as hard as they should have as well. The STATE owned everything, not the people. STOP BELIVING THIS BULLSHIT.

Not an argument.

Ohhh I see, your special snowflake version must be the solution lol

Not an argument.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titoism

Actually, the state owns it all and it ruins it, you absolute retard.And guess what, no competition cuz "muh state" owns everything.

Yugoslavia was not market socialism. Just normal socialism. I posted the pick because I thought It was when I started the thread.

>accused of being a Trotskyist
Tip top kek

Actually I would say it was somewhat of a mixture.

>Lmao wannabe sandnigger calling us the niggers of europe.

It is. Deal with the fact that it is a failed system and embrace capitalism.

Democracy is shit. Mob rule is what your founders feared the most.

niceme.me

How the hell is it an argument? "Le epik speshul snowflake XDD" is just memes.

why tho

Democracy was what this country was built upon. Mob rule isn't inherent to democracy. The founders didn't want mob rule via direct democracy because they knew it wouldn't work on the scale of a whole country. A company isn't a country.

You are mentally handicapped. I LIVE HERE YOU RETARD. My grandfather was a fucking Director in a major firm, you CANNOT become anything other than somw worthless worker unless u have a political "party card" and kiss their asses. He literally had to make up stories that his father fought with the partisans, because then they can't turn you down. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WE ARE DYING OVERHERE BWCAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED BACK THEN, AND (((YOU))) PEOPLE ARE STILL PUSHING FOR THIS SHIT?????????? STOP, EDUCATE YOURSELF AND JUST STOP.

I am well aware of the flaws in Tito's system and of the presence of the Party in many aspects of Yugoslav society. I'm not defending that. I'm just pointing out that some aspects of Titoism are at least worth looking at.

Because the majority are stupid niggers.
Are you getting it yet, you stupid nigger?

So educate them.

>le nigger meme

Because your special world doesen't exist, and not even I, a person who has lived in socialism, and who has to live with the afternath cannot prove this to you... yuri bezmenov was right... There is no helping u people...

Si nervozan?

Or you could stop trying to be a wannabe revolutionary and fucking get a job in the greatest country on earth?

>le real socialism works meme
Kill (((yourself)))

Ne mogu da spavam ahahahha

jebote 5 ujutru

a majku vam jebem

I have a job, and I'm not a wannabe revolutionary.
Not an argument.

>market socialism
you're a pleb they are two in the same

What you are is not worth my time in 5:10 in the morning, goodnight, I hope you find some common sense soon.

Yes it is retard

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Hah, yeah we should be 'progressive' like you and strive to be a kalifat essentialy. Tick tock, your time is running out Haso. And nobody will come now when you cry Wolf by blowing up your own ppl.

Yugoslavia would have collapsed in the 1950s without the tens of billions of dollars (inflation adjusted) in US economic and military aid we gave them.

Everybody votes for their selfish interests.

It isn't a manifestation of their collective intelligence, but rather their collective greed and ignorance.