Capitalism is cancer

More like CRAPitalism amirite?

>modern healthcare in America
>capitalist
Good maymay

Death is always a choice

Perhaps you should make that choice soon, m9.

>Chris Hedges

He's a worse cancer than Noam. GTFO with this trash.

Freedom boner intensifies

It's zionist communist. Fuck you people with your shit. Are you a mazda miata? Your rabbinical JIDF commander thinks so. Find a job for somebody other than Occulus

How about "Capitalism - now with great Cancer taste!"

Except healthcare literally is a set of goods and services that are scarce like anything else

Also what choices you think people shouldn't have to make does nothing to change that reality. If you could wave away scarcity and we could have as much as we need or want of everything, why stop at healthcare?

If you don't like the price go to a different hospital.
This is how competition works.
You dumb nigger.

We pay one third what you do and live 3 years longer. Cured ebola and less fatties and dead babbies

Why are you bringing up a car?

That is what not 100% only healthcare being public does. You become a car. You plead for oil changes and for deductibles when some blonde teen sideswipes you in a parking lot. You become a commodity. If something is free you become the product. Ours is free. But what is medicine if not making patient a product. Better than a commodity. Think about it. Debt is caused by fiat interest and derivatives

>If you don't like the price go to a different hospital.
not true though is it
If you have just been stabbed you are not going to whip out your hospital catalogue and start browsing for good prices
You are going to the nearest hospital

This. Communists shouldn't be let near a health care system because the options are "use the state system or die"
Which is why leaf-boy's people routinely come to the states for medical treatment, because its less shitty and the wait isn't god-awful like it is in Dude-Weedslvania

We live longer bud. Capitalism is not Biblical. I am a Christian social democrat. The Lord would not ask for your Carnegie car insurance

Hes right

>muh moral high ground

you do realize that children die everyday in non capitalist countries BECAUSE of their health care systems yea? what a fag

Gee whiz it's so awesome people make it to 83 instead of 80. Everyone knows it's that last 3 years are just the BEST

I'm sure hes talking about capitalist countries with socialist health care, like most of europe

You gave us our socialist party through emigration to us in the 1910s. Everybody else copied them on this and underfunded it. You are ignoring most of the thread already. Those factors are very complex. Did you know Mexico has a lower per capita death rate than either of us?

Neither is socialism. Is there a single instance or suggestion that one should take from one man to give to another?

>Capitalism is not

You are wrong. We have in the Old Testament an entire law code written by God, for the governance of Old Israel. Not all of it is applicable to the modern Faithful, but it gives you an idea of God's basic principles of good governance, and nowhere does he even remotely suggest the kind of socialist policies you speak of.

Capitalism plus private charity and efficient government is the most "Christian" economic system yet devised, not socialist shit so bad you can break your arm and wait months to get it fixed [as happened in Britain].

Yeah just fuck it and become benjamin buttons. Already doing the wall*e square dance so why not

And they have to treat you no matter how much you have or if you can pay it back

Marry Christ. I find politically nothing is correct too but I am libertarian and socialist and Christian. Nothing else. Also right brained. Helps me ignore the R complex
When did you last forgive all your debtors like you're supposed to every certain 7 lunar years?

What does that have to do with your wallet not getting raped?

>no choice between illness and health
>most illnesses caused by unhealthy habits

If you eat a bucket of KFC a day.
Smoke three packs of marlboros.
Drink a quart of hard liquor.
And fuck hookers all day every day.

Should I have to pay for that?

Surely there must be a fair middle ground.

Makes for nice mortgage applications thereafter. I heard you guys charged a family with insurance a million bucks for one dose of serpent antivenom. What a country

Absolutely. If you're telling me you want to tax me 40% so I can wait in line longer for even shittier doctors, yea fuck it

Why are people having kids they are incapable of supporting?
Why must society pay for other people's lack of forsight?

>but I am libertarian and socialist

Can you explain how that works? Is it basically libertarianism with no right private property and enterprise?

>Which is why leaf-boy's people routinely come to the states for medical treatment
Something that is repeated by american cuckservatives to justify their kike system but something that actually doesn't happen.

>Medical care is not a consumable good

No, it's a service

I wouldn't expect anyone who is advocating for FREE HEALTHCARE LMAO to have paid any attention in economics class

Are you going to hold Doctors hostage to deliver 500 immigrant babies every day, unable to leave, because those pregnant mothers who can't and won't pay you a dime deserve it?

Would an ant ask that question. Why do you. Because what man does is he trusts his hands but asks questions of his own Creator. Sickening really

>More like CRAPitalism amirite?
Haha damn, you got us good.

Time to shut down the entire system boys, that's it, pack it up, he got us.

The forgiveness of debts at set times and the freeing of slaves at set times is not a welfare state. Nowhere is the government prescribed the duty to take care of the poor.

Stealing from the rich through absurdly high taxes to pay for overpriced dysfunctional healthcare is not a Christian principle.

Rare serpent at least?
Three people died trying to get the venom?

There has to be at least SOME justification.

>people die
>so capitalism doesn't work

Rev up those helicopters!

Interesting, you mean all the money i spend on unhealthy things can be used to pay for insurance instead? hmm....

That's true
I like my socialist health care system, but its a bit too giving and forgiving

>get cancer
>can't afford treatment
>die

We should cut off all aid to foreign countries and build an efficient, elaborate health and education system for our own people. Superior to any in the world. To make our people the best.

Ok Ringo. Whatever. Tea is pink. What you say is lies and hyperbole
It is the golden age of capitalism. Mixed economy. Civil law not common. Moderate taxes but closer to the 60s. On TPiR in the 60s they gave away modular homes and propeller aircraft. On a gameshow. Here's your plane. You could call it the Corinthians party maybe

"Just don't get cancer"
T. Greedy Capitalists

>Don't question me goyim, just obey my flawed interpretation of Scripture!

Meanwhile, in reality, it is written

TEST ALL THINGS, HOLD FAST THAT WHICH IS GOOD.

The Scripture is full of righteous men contesting God [Abraham, Moses, etc], not blindly obeying Him, but seeking to understand what is admirable, noble, etc.

>meanwhile in communism, everyone gets free healthcare, but the needles have all been used and all you will receive is painkillers, aspirin, and an icepack

Ausfag here, I'm quite with that

Tell me if this sounds about right.

Emergency situations, on the house! Stabbed? Heart attack? Stroke?
Don't worry about it. Got ya covered.
Paying taxes? Sore joints? Yeah, we'll help you out.
Lung cancer from smoking? Either pull a Canada and tax the product out the ass so that it puts in more than it takes out. Or pay for it yourself.
Doesn't work so well with food though. Which is why we should have a fat tax. Or some sort.
Encourage good health the same way we encourage good driving! With fines at the end of the month to fill a quota...

Which is why prices spiraled out of control the second we socialized it, right?

>inb4 "but it isn't REAL socialized healthcare"

You are to clothe the poor for you then are clothing Christ! Ayn Randian hypocrite on your SS deathbed without friends. You say all this crap then ignore give into Caesar. If we left it up to private charity we end up with frogs swamps and drumpf. Oops
Nah. You are a bank machine. When they gib IV they see green acid blood for muh fiat moni.
Our cardiac surgeons make like 600K. Nurse practitioner with maximum seniority maybe $150/hr
>hostage
K. How much does your bank cost you?
>2.5 quadrillion

>get cancer
>can't afford treatment
>someone else should pay for it because you're too stupid to buy insurance

>muh feels
>no arguments

Typical. I support socialized healthcare but I'm sick of non arguments, which seems to be all leftists can supply these days.

Tie you whom does that with your car care non system

Plenty of capitalist nations have single-payer healthcare you fucking /leftypol/ retard

It is the church, not the state, which is given the duty to care for the poor.

You repeating your heresy loudly doesn't make it any less ass-backwards. Or did you forget it was also written

"He who does not work shall not eat."

We pay one third. Socialist for like 60 years. Eat me
>heresy
Pay your taxes drumpf. Release your mafia returns

healthcare is no different then any other good. Except that it isn't advanced enough to the point where we can inherently save everyone form everything and a large part of that is due to it being socialized. 80% of the medical advancements come from America. A socialist system won't make treatment available to everyone in fact they would just cease to exist.

Pablum for idiots and for liars

>Our cardiac surgeons make like 600K.

And how many people die waiting for your cardiac surgeons?

Private health care: patients are revenue
Public healthcare: patients are a cost

I wonder what will treat you better

That's probably the best way to rationalize it.

It's paying for leading edge R&D.
Not that great for the average Joe. But great for the world.
Or, at the very least, America.

...

Not enough to drag down our superior average age. For the millionth time

Stay mad. Americans won't follow socialism.

The one that's not over worked under staffed and living with a pay cap.

Too bad

Good

then you need to plan it like people do when they pick a place to live and want to know how good the schools are.

You're getting the service no matter what. You can literally pay $5 a month on your hospital bill and be fine. Sure you may have debt but anyone can afford 5$ a month to live. People think our healthcare sucks and puts some poster child sick old fuck with no money or family and tell us that the conditions that are killing them just happened. Most of the time people get sick and die because of choices THEY MADE, sometimes with full knowledge that they are doing things that know are detrimental to their health.
>do I want people to go broke paying doctors to keep them alive?
No, like most people I want everyone to be healthy. Our system is designed for people who have forethought to get insurance or at least have a family to take care of them.
>do I want to pay for jameel and jalika's 8 kids with asthma because they won't stop smoking in the fucking house?
No, and if you have any sense you'll realize that once he government pays for healthcare they have a right to tell you what to do about your health.

Oops we die sooner. Noooope. You hypochondriac

Sometimes unions chain you to a local for seniority purposes or your wing has destroyed our economy and morality. Whichever. Blows up shit. Puts refugees. Cries

How much serpent venom can you get ahold of right now

Whatever the fuck I would be determined to require that will have my being a better and more efficient citizen than your options

More like

>govt makes wage increase illegal in war times
>employers offer health insurance as incentive
>overtime people don't stick to one job/career in their lifetime and employers offering insurance is part of the culture now
>changing career styles fuck up the old balance
>govt now tries to regulate insurance companies and healthcare providers
>lobbyist use that power to their advantage instead
>market incentives are fucked up even more
>healthcare price skyrocket and insurances end up much more complicated and expensive than necessary

It's always the government's fault. Molyneux had an interview with a doctor who works at the clinic that did his cancer operation, the doctor said the cost of an operation can be like 500$ under the free market, but regulations, insurances and all mess up everything.

Public obviously.

Private companies lose money by doing their job, as in paying for services. By default they make the most money by paying out the least amount of services. That is inherently fucked up.

I dont like the government taxing stuff and i dont like the thought of not helping someone because they are unemployed


What if taxes for healthcare were lowered for everyone, but you had to pay a small amount when you used it.
Like if you brok your arm, xray, sling, and time would be £10, with super poor people getting a discount

And if you were the cause of of your own problem you had to pay proper
Like if you are ill because you drink, if you are ill a second time because you did not stop drinking you gotta pay big bucks

Why do these bullshit theories still exist

There is no free lunch, someone else will pay for it, and it is unfair and immoral when someone pays for you by force.

>Private companies lose money by doing their job

r u avin a laff

By inisting that healthcare be cheap you ensure that it is either substandard, or that the wait time for service will become the leading cause of death instead.

Emotional language only works on emotional people

Or when somebody shanks you and you see a geico lizard commercial before you hemorrhage and die in the gutter. Did I make my payments this year in taxes and in car insurance? I could have saved more with Pep Boys and Geico. You don't pay them anything regardless of if you are a customer or not? Nigger corporate welfare is the bigger problem by massive folds. Wake up

you sound insane, theres no way you thought that one through
What if a good cheap hospital is in a place you could never afford
Or what if different things a cheaper in different hospitals, you just gotta guess if you are going to get cancer or a brain injury later in life

Private Healthcare wouldn't work if they didn't overcharge patients for services and limit their costs.

>theories

Which? The history of the legal status of healthcare in the US or Marxism?

I think he means private businesses have an incentive to keep their cost as low as possible.

I'm willing to bet our large amount of shithead minorities and high obesity rate have way more to do with the life expectancy than does socialized healthcare

When you run it
Is this why you guys love Italians so much? Black people do too. You need zest. Why do you guys love the town eccentrics then?
Probably that meant spiritual works like everything else you twist. Christ said even the bird of the field is fed so as to trust only in Him and not to worry about eating food. Feed your soul. Remember the poor

America also has higher child mortality rates and hospital infection rates. Your healthcare is just shit.

Answer the fucking question, shill.

>You can literally pay $5 a month on your hospital bill and be fine.
if thats true it doesn't sound so bad
does it stop you from getting a mortgage or anything like that?

>insurance
arent they all scams
like if you have cancer they will only pay for the first $100,000 of treatment before telling you to fuck off
>buy good insurance
but dont they cost way more than any normal person can afford

Oh well. And probably not. Honestly whites have lots of vices and welfare and I don't believe in Hitler or racism or frogs

I did illiterate turnip man

Canada keeps costs down by setting prices which also limits supply and why they have wait times and will never have access to experimental therapies until they are made cheaply here. Imagine all the people who die because of the way that socialist systems stifle innovation. The entire world is dependent on innovation from the US market.

>if thats true it doesn't sound so bad
Usually the hospital will realize it isn't going to get the money and so they sell the debt for like 5% the stated value to a collections agency in a bulk debt auction whose job it is to bring you to court and/or harass the shit out of you.

They act as if children are dying in the street because their parents can't pay. I'm a twenty something NEET with pre existing medical conditions, I haven't paid one red cent in a year and a half since I gave up on life and signed onto the government dole.

inb4. suicide, meh seems kind of boring. will just suck teat and shitpost instead.

Thought so

>be canadian
>try to go to america to rip off stupid americans
>raise your prices to ridiculous levels because you think americans are dumb and will pay for healthcare no matter what
>other hospitals lower their prices to nab your customers
>you get absolutely no outpatient patients and everyone avoids you like the plague if they can
>only get a paltry amount of emergency cases
>you shut down your hospital and go back to shitposting in canada about socialized healthcare because you dont know how to run a business

protip: hospitals make the most money from outpatient surgery that is usually not pressing emergencies. enjoy taking out an appendix a day while other hospitals are actually treating patients for fair prices while you try to "rip them off."

t. work alongside doctors and patients every fucking day

>and will never have access to experimental therapies until they are made cheaply here
Explain all these Americans with Cancer going to Germany for experimental treatment.