Muslims

So I've been talking to my Muslim friend from Turkey recently. We had a long discussion abong Islam, jihad, the recent assassination of Russian ambassador for Turkey, and shit like that.

So she told me that jihadists aren't real Muslims. They are just using Islam as a cover. Their real goal is to unite and conquer the Middle East to gain power. The recruit people from across Europe through methods of fear, but they aren't actually Muslims. Not all Muslims believe in this, believe it or not, according to her. She's afraid of coming to America one day because she doesn't want hate thrown on her.

I don't know, bros. Thoughts?

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You're a faggot roach and so is your roach buddy and you'll all burn in hell because no one likes you faggots

Tell her "nice taqiyya"

You need to read some Brigitte Gabriel

>jihadists aren't real Muslims
That's a load of horse shit. Secularized "muslims" usually say that to feel better, not that they know anything about islam or jihad. The truth is jihad has always been an integral part of islam, you can't really seperate them. You can even say islam is a religion formed around jihad.

>Yeah! I showed OP who's boss. Time to go see what Mom cooked for dinner.

Anyways, OP. Look at the background of Islam and you'll understand.

Yeah but those people aren't REAL Communists.
Yeah but those people aren't REAL Nazis.
Yeah but those people aren't REAL Christians.
Yeah but those people aren't REAL Muslims.

but Jihad is the best part of Islam

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>actually believing any of what he said
>muslim friend
you're pretty dumb OP

Tell her to convert to Christianity, as the jihadists are the real muslims, and they should be exterminated.

we hate refugees too.. ISIS are assholes, but we do in fact, hate all muslims.

A Muslim telling you ISIS isn't really Muslim is like a nigger telling you Africans aren't really black. Don't be so stupid or gullible.

>spend your life learning about some shitty goat fucking religion.
>give your life and blood for said shitty religion.
>somehow not really a member of that religion.

Go fuck yourself mudshits.

We have infiltrated Mosques in the US and gathered intel, Trump will be closing them all.

it is fucking true. but isis or hezbullah or whatever fucking terrorist group is not alone. you guys know that, the whole world knows that. they use fucking m4's in their propoganda videos and keep saying jihad and so. jihad doesn't mean fighting with guns and killing innocent people. jihad has lots of meaning. the people that u think cockroaches are fighting against these barbarian isis terrorists and u fucking guys sitting on their soft asses and write shit about anything. what do you know anything anyway? u should research before you comment on something.

Thats not communism real communism is peaceful!
Oi vey goy! What are you an anti-Semite?
Oh jeez its those violent bigoted Christians...
Thats not real islam real islam is peaceful!

Those poor communist Muslims. They only blow themselves up because of your bigoted ways.

Islam has been and continues to be at war with Christianity. Nothing will change that.

This, stupid and pathetic cope from islam apologists. Islam and killing infidels are inseperable

You really think Muslims would do that? Just go to an infidel and tell lies?

Isn't jihad literally in the Qur'an? Or some other addon that was written by Mohammed. They say that usually to feel better. Too bad that its slowly starting to lose its credibility because those fuckers say at every terrorist attack
>that's not a real Muslim, this has nothing to do with Islam
Every
Damn
Time

What are you blubbering about? Did you eat too much hamburger? It's not good for yout brain.

"Not all Muslims are like that"

>oh yeah? well they're better than you cause they're killing each other senselessy over dumb shit, and you're not!
no wonder turkey is islamic shithole

fuck off roach

So here's some of the stuff she told me.

What should I ask? (No dumb shit, please.)

Sounds like they are the only real Muslims. Sort of like what fundamental Christianity is to this current lay version which has lost almost all its meaning.

The real problem is the organized following and the worship of all these wild fanatical nonsensities. It is an escape from the fact that we are crippled, broken, incapable human beings. All these people are followers and will not look at reality and deal with it. Its the same basic thing that is going on in any walk of life and it is totally pathetic that we have opened the flood gates to these people, do not discipline or educate them and do not punish them for their wrong-doing.

As i look at the world and look also at Angela Merkel and her tyranny i cant help but clearly realize that a womans sexual inclinations and desires are heavily involved in the tyranny and poor decision making. I cant help but think that this is all deliberate. The fact that these people cannot do a better job of managing all of this orderly and keep pushing for more tyranny is pitiful. It is like some pre-schooler brain-storming up some government project and then we all have to go ahead with it putting in trillions of dollars and an uncomparable amount of time, energy and labor into this. It is so stupid and its ridiculous to think that we are doing all of this just for women to be a little horny and get their way. It could be done in many ways, just as any form of science and technology, but it feels as if weve handed a technologically advanced society over to a caveman.

Taquiyya in action, OP. Read the book. They have a religious mandate to do what they do, as well as to lie about it.

Point out any koran verse that disproves the dumb shit she says, there's entire websites dedicated to pointing out the dumb shit in the koran, should be pretty easy.

Also stop being her friend you fucking idiot.

Ask her why is she lying to you, when she says she isn't delete and block

Ask her why has her death cult seen nothing but violence in contact with non-goatfuckers everywhere

innocent people.. that right there is a lie. they don't consider non believers to be innocent.

Example: it is a great sin to kill innocents, that's true. However, anyone not following Sharia law is not innocent and must be made to submit or die.

OP, read this as a primer. And if you want more relating on current events and Islam, read some of Robert Spencers books.

jihadwatch.org/islam-101

Why did Muslims not fight back against Jihadists then, so that both militarily and domestically Jihadists and their ideology could not propagate like it has in 2014-15?

This is a pointless conversation user, you'll never get her to admit anything truthful about islam. Conquering the infidel is explicitly part of Islamic teaching. ISIS only seeks to make an Islamic Caliphate, as proscribed by the Quran and life of Muhammad. Of course Shiites are fucked under this but who cares. They don't seek colonies, they seek Islamic rule.

anyone who is a muslim in almost 2016+1 should an hero desu

dude, lieing and misleading you is considered a form of jihad too.

you've been culturaly enriched

Taqiyya (taqiya, taqiyah, taqiyyah) is a form of Islamic deception. The Quran (16:106 and 3:28) allows Muslims to lie in order to protect themselves or to protect the Muslim community.

The problem is organized religion was invented to consolidate power. These sort of people have a faulty idea of religion in their mind: islam is good, therefore bad stuff have nothing to do with islam.

you were wiping your soft ass while our soldiers attacking isis borders

are you kurd or turk?

Read about the history of Islam.

Anybody who says Jihadists arent real muslims is basically saying that every Muslim government ever and the people who fought for them in the history of Islam wasn't a real Muslim.

I'll check it out.

Gotcha.
I mean, come on man. I've been friends with her for over 2 years. I can't just cut. What if she really doesn't know anything about this shit?

Will do.

So are they just picking and choosing what to believe and what not to believe when it comes to Islam?

Your "muslim" friend has no fucking idea what the real Islam is unfortunately, she is only babbling about the "secular" version of Islam which would be labeled as "Heresy" by the real muslims who are killing people in the middle east, she may actually believe what she is saying but she and her family definitely did not do their research or else they would not want to remain "muslim".

>So are they just picking and choosing what to believe and what not to believe when it comes to Islam?

Most of them yeah. Same as Christians or Jews, ignore the parts you don't like. Islam has many more jihadists than Jews or Christians have comparable people. On the whole Islam is much more conservative though, and I think it has some problems compared to other Abrahmics.

She is either lieing to you or doesn't understand her own fellow muslims nor Islam.

It's easy to find out which: ask her if it is ok in her beliefs to marry a non-muslim (no! This is strictly forbidden for the women of Islam. Ok for the man, but the children must be raised muslim).

Is she Shiite or Sunni?
Shiite Iranians Syrians and Lebanese are allies with European nationalists as like us they want to destroy the Jewish and Arab plague

>So are they just picking and choosing what to believe and what not to believe when it comes to Islam?
Exactly

turk. die polizei erlaubt pkk terroristen in deutschland, oder? pkk tötet immer noch in der türkei auch die unschuldliche. trotzdem hab ich viele kurdische freunde und ich liebe sie und ausserdem sie unterstützen pkk nicht weil sie menschen sind sondern keine Esel.

Hitler wasn't a real nazi.

He used a cover of real nazis to unite and conquer Europe. That's not real nazi at all.

I'm, as a real nazi, don't want to visit Europe to have ignorant hate thrown at me.

It's rather funny that the type of people that were required to actually believe in Mohammad and follow him were the open-minded type of people that would follow change, and years later when they returned to Mecca those same people were totally okay with Mohammad just destroying every single arab pagan deity idol even though it definitely meant the destruction of generations of culture, that alone is a red sign.

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Ask her what is Taqiya.

I fixed your shit cunt.

Here's a question. Who follows Islamic law more closely, your friend in Turkey or jihadists? Protip: it's not your friend.

This in itself does not mean the jihadi Islam is the right Islam. The point is that people who claim the jihadis are just using Islam yadda yadda tend to be people who pick and choose what they believe. Under Islamic law most of them would be guilty of apostasy by rejecting Qur'anic teachings and hence in danger of being killed by the true believers. If you reject ANYTHING taught in the Qur'an, you are not a Muslim but an apostate. This is not even debatable. The reality is though that a lot of Muslims use Muslimness as an identity. Since their identity doesn't include being barbaric warlords (among other things), they solve their cognitive dissonance by claiming Islam doesn't actually teach all this horrible stuff (even though it does).

This is exactly the argument she is using. What a fucking piece of shit. Op I would feel insulted that she thinks so little of you that she tried this low energy argument on you.

The western version of islam is more moderate, but it is easier to radicalize them then in any other religion.

Not only that, but the vast majority of muslims hold what one would consider "radical beliefs" (like this guy's picture )

As a matter of fact, the truly "moderate" muslims are not muslims at all, but atheists.

No one who comes from that shithole with a IQ above 100 believes in islam and are just repressed atheists out of fear of getting socially osctracized by their family. By saying 'Islam is a religion of PIEUCEE', you're not helping those people.

tldr fuck islam, it's fucking shit.

Saying you're a Muslim but you don't agree with ISIS is like saying you're a nazi but don't agree with hilter and the SS actions or what they preached

Fuck Islam

tl;dr: Islam has nothing to do with Islam.
youtube.com/watch?v=N46mIHEGHN0

I mean, she was very willing to date me (black, agnostic 21 y/o). So I guess she would go against that belief. She's already going against the hijab one.

alter ihr schiesst den kurden in den rücken während sie vor eurer haustür gegen isis kämpfen.

schlimmer gehts nicht.

nicht mal im angesicht der barbarischen horden könnt ihr eure differenzen bei seite legen.

She's using taqqiya on you. She is all for the domination of Islam around the world if she's a Muslim. Most Muslims are okay with any means necessary to convert, subvert, or defeat the infidels. Thing is, most aren't ballsy enough to do it themselves and simply silently agree and privately support them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahih_al-Bukhari

Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī (Arabic: صحيح البخاري), is one of the Kutub al-Sittah (six major hadith collections) of Sunni Islam. These prophetic traditions, or hadith, were collected by the Persian Muslim scholar Muhammad al-Bukhari, after being transmitted orally for generations. Sunni Muslims view this as one of the two most trusted collections of hadith along with Sahih Muslim.[1] It is also used as an authentic hadith collection by Zaidi Shia Muslims.[2] In some circles, it is considered the most authentic book after the Quran.[3][page needed][4] The Arabic word sahih translates as authentic or correct.[5]

Sahih Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Sahih Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Sahih Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Sahih Bukhari (11:626) - "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.' The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses'."

Islam is a religion of PEACE...

...After it slaughtered all non-muslims.

>Taqiyya
You usually find practicers of taqiyya in followers of particular religious groups. For example Gulen and his followers practice taqiyya to the fullest. They somehow managed to convince very important people, in Turkey and in the US, that they're secular, modern and have the best interest of their country in mind. In fact, they're very radical. They have an extensive brain washing and mind control industry and his minions are no less ready to give their lives with a word from Gulen than followers of Baghdadi for example. That said most muslims don't practice taqiyya even if they're radical.

>most muslims don't practice taqiyya even if they're radical.
But how would we know this? Your very post could be taqiyya in action.

Uh. Guys?

>That said most muslims don't practice taqiyya even if they're radical.
>brought up to believe that leaving islam is the worst thing you could do
>also brought up to believe that radicals arent 'real muslims' and thats not what its all about

maybe they dont realize it

you're the one who's brainwashed. not gulen.

erdogan loves isis

obviously someone who practices it will claim not to know what it is

There is no "western" version of islam you fucking moron.

>Islam is a religion of PEACE...
>...After it slaughtered all non-muslims.

It's a good meme, but it's actually untrue.
Even if all non-Muslims would be exterminated, that would only be the beginning of wars

first the Shia vs Sunni

but then Sunni itself have many sub-sects that disagree

why do you think ISIS wants to bomb Mecca / kaaba ?

it would never end they would kill each other over disagreements about interpretation of Arabic words

>Taquiyya? Hmm I don't know.
Typical response of someone practicing taquiya.

sounds like eternal peace for all :D

Maybe she honestly doesn't know what it is?

> those Muslims aren't real Muslims, we are the real Muslims
Part of the problem m8y.

As long as there's taqiyya, do not trust them

you can never know.
thats why i cant trust someone who fully endorses islam.

Shes right to an extent but many muslims wouldn't consider her a real muslim. The quran is basically a manifesto for world domination. I don't doubt that there are nice people out their that consider themselves muslim, however there are far more out there that are sympathetic to jihadists than the media would have you believe.

Wahhabist extremism is created by the (((British Rothschilds))) who are behind Saudi Arabia and Israel. (They) are pitting Muslim against Christian, while financing both sides, as always. The real red pill is paganism, ancient Celt Druid forest magic. Not desert gay rape Roman religions.

I've read the Quran. I'm pretty sure Mohammad is the prophet of Satan. Some of it sounds right like what you read in the Bible but then it goes on about killing infidels. I think it's meant to draw people away from Christ

du weisst nix uber die turkei. deutsche media ist scheiss. wir haben hier in der turkei viele deutsche touristen und auch deutsche lehrer(innen) und sie wissen auch dass pkk terrorist ist. sie sind an der berge mit ak47s, in der stadte mit bomben und toten immer aber immer unschuldliche menschen an ihren rücken. du denkst so weil ihre scheisse deutsche media zeigt so. aber wenn du in die turkei kommst und wenn pkk ein bomb vor dir explodiert dann wirst du verstehen glaub ich sonst nicht...

Most Muslims don't use taqiyya. It is a specific Shia doctrine.

Lying in Islam is allowed if the purpose is good for Islam and the same good end cannot be reached by telling the truth. Not telling the whole truth or avoiding telling the truth is the preferred form of lying (as opposed to making stuff up). If the end is obligatory and cannot be achieved by telling the truth, it is obligatory to lie. This is mainstream Sunni jurisprudence.

It has to be remembered not all bullshit is lying. A lot of Muslims don't know but a tiny fraction of what their religion teaches. The idea that Muslims know everything Islam teaches just by being Muslims is completely unrealistic. Most Muslims simply don't know a lot about Islam.

The number of Muslims calling other Muslims false Muslims leads me to believe being Muslim is a state of mind
Also remove kebab

She is playing with words here. She should say I don't know what that is.

I will never not be amazed by the lack of actual human interaction.

Why don't you just meet and have a discussion? Why doing this over short messages on your phone?

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Inside job, mate

alter diese scheisse höre ich jeden tag von euch als würden wir jeden tag nur die tagesschau gucken und das auch noch gut finden.

ich glaub den medien genau so wenig wie du.

She's technically correct, but what she's saying is full of half-truths.

"It is a great sin to kill innocent people in Islamic religion[sic]"

Yeah, but it skips over something: within Islam, only Muslims can be "innocent". First of all, that automatically cuts non-Muslims out of the "innocent" category because they have committed the sin of rejecting Islam.

Second, every sect of Islam views every other sect to be hypocrites (re: people who claim to be Muslims but don't walk the walk of being a Muslim) because every other sect is from that sect's view breaching something in the Quran. Not-muslim = not-innocent.

Further, other Muslims they're killing are killed because they breached some aspect of the Sharia and are thus being executed in accordance with what the Sharia dictates. Because if you don't live in accordance with the Sharia when you aren't trying to mix in with another society to disguise your Islamic faith, you're an apostate, and the punishment for one who abandons Islam is death.

Lastly, people who are legitimately innocent, but are killed as collateral damage are viewed as martyrs as much as any who died actually fighting.

I hope this is bait.
Also, can some tl;dr me on Shia vs Sunni relations?

On the other hand, the more they read, the more shit they find and the crazier they become. The only normal Muslim is hence a nonmuslim. See

You should ask her why that despite these people doing the exact same thing the founders of Islam, they aren't real muslims. You should also ask her why Islam is considered a genuine religion when in reality it was Mohammad's excuse to carve out an empire.

Like I said she's secularized and ill informed of islam. Not every so called "muslim" have extensive knowledge about it.
I'm not trying to excuse muslims. Islam is an outdated religion and has no place in western countries.

Ask her: "Who is innocent? If someone insults Allah or spites or speaks badly of Muhammad, are they innocent?"

> isis uses islam
Thats about the only use of this shitty cult. She's full of shit, Islam is a violent, tribal cult and no lying and bullshitting will change that. In fact, isis is just the tip of the iceberg, there are thousands of orgs just like it with the same goals wherever muslims are. Islam is a mental illness like rabies that makes humans loose all dignity and vecome feral.

how has no one checked such base trips coupled with such a base taqiyya reference?

she's wrong.

she's not the real Muslim.
she's a moderate who does what society wants
the violent ones are the ones who follow their faith.

islam is a force of destruction and it must be stopped

Ain't it funny how everyone was a evil nazi in 40's Germany so they and their offspring deserve everything bad but nobody subscribing to Islam is inherently wrong it's just those separate cases that are bad #notallmuslims