/Nihilism/

I think that as atheists, if we apply enough reasoning to understanding life, we ultimately arrive to nihilism.

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>I think as an Indian that, if we apply enough to reasoning to understanding toilets, we ultimately arrive to shitting on streets

maybe in another thread

fighting entropy is pointless
by that logic everything is pointless as well

Are you a nihilist as well?

That must be exhausting

Applying reason and understanding to what you have objectively experienced here leads to nihilism, yes. It puts the human race at the pinnacle of accomplishment. It's easy to view society as a plateau, like nothing really matters beyond that point. Viewing society through a scope like this and structuring a belief system, or lack thereof, around it is lacking in the humility that the average human needs to stay within a moral and ethical compass for the betterment of society. Nihilism is a dead end of sorts. It takes the meaning out of everything.

This is why atheists are faggots. They're arrogant and edgy with their cynical and depressing remarks.

Are you not one yourself?

Completely true. There is no real progress. The meaning of life is my entertainment. What entertains me changes, this is why I consider myself a nihilist and not a hedonist.

>what is Nietzsche and the ubermensch

"Boohoo, school is so hard I never want to grow up I'm depressed"
-u

>as atheists
Lol

Haven't you heard it's not cool or edgy to be atheist/nihilist anymore? Trump is leader of the free world, poo in loo.

>the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.

all that atheism leads you to is not believing in god, what you do next is up to you

but i do agree that atheism tends to lead to nihilism in many cases, mainly in people who were once religious but subsequently became atheistic (like me)

Take your semitic religion and go pls this discussion is for whites only

Nihilism is just being in denial of God's wrath

you can still have fun in this temporary playground

reality is in denial of gods wrath, good people get shit on all day every day and terrible people get off scott free, gods wrath is nowhere to be found

you have a psychological need for an afterlife to exist because without it the world is completely unjust. i have bad news user, the world is just really really unfair (pic related was never punished for instance

I did read a news article stating that atheists are the most hated group in USA.

Wrong
Right

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You can all go home now

I always appreciate a Big Lebowski reference.

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Poltards are so pathetic seriously hp lovecraft is a socialite in comparison.

Most philosophy discussions have always seemed utterly pointless to me, including this one. If nothing matters, then it doesn't matter whether or not you subscribe to nihilism. The only logical result of nihilism is for everybody to do whatever is natural for them. Considering how we've all evolved to have a very general desire to preserve the species, nothing much would change. There would still be sociopaths and selfish types, but the majority would still carry the weight of their bullshit because organization and codependency is what makes them comfortable. In practice, true, 100% nihilism more or less loops back around and just takes the form of basic human morality. It's a dead end.

Nihilism is a fail state, though.

It's basically letting the idea of overwhelming scope and scale and the absence of a divine directive turn you into an amoral, apathetic cunt.

It's the social and philosophical equivalent of being a zombie.

>If nothing matters, then it doesn't matter whether or not you subscribe to nihilism

Becoming a nihilist made me less anxious about life in general. Being a dead end, arriving to nihilism finally closes the countless 'meaning of life' discussions.

Yeah, nihilism as in "there is no objective meaning to things". But so what? Subjective meaning is evidently all you need. I am an atheist, but I don't need objective meaning to find meaning in the combination of these phonems which make up the word "Köttbullar". To anyone who does not speak Swedish (or any similar language) it doesn't mean anything. But to those who do, it means "meatballs". Meaning is whatever you subjectively make it to be, so what is your point?

The notion that meaning must be either objective or nonexistant is just imbecile and inept.

But would you rather have truth through nihilism or self delusion?

I would rather be nihilistic and actually know than be blissfully ignorant

What is that pic
>absence of a divine directive turn you into an amoral, apathetic cunt.

It is a neutral stance, not really bad

I think that you cannot make yourself believe in the divines after you get into atheism unless you are deluded.

But have you emptied your bowel into a bowl?

>Subjective meaning is evidently all you need.

Ya, I am not really criticising nihilism. I wonder if all atheists or rational thinking person will ultimately become a nihilist if they are being honest to themselves.

No, they have to create a morality of their own.

"Nihilism" is proof that you made a mistake in your reasoning somewhere along the line. It's sort of like arguing: I am having the experience of a tree in front of me. But to have such an experience I must exist. But I doubt that I exist. So I'm not really having any experience at all since you don't experience anything if you don't exist.

"The only important philosophical question is whether to commit suicide."

>If nothing matters, then it doesn't matter whether or not you subscribe to nihilism.

Another way to put it is: if nihilism is true, then everything, including nihilism, is false. It's self defeating logical contradiction to believe in nihilism.

you are overthinking poo

It's all subjective, our very existence is seubjetice and I can prove it easily to you, simply take a drug and your whole perception changes, who are you really? Chemicals nad matter decide your life, both in you and the environment.

Feeling content is all that matters. You can still be a nihilist and content at the same time.

I think that if you spend your life applying reasoning and seeking understanding, you've implicitly given your life a meaning. Further, I believe nihilism is the root cause of our culture's mental illness epidemic.

>What is that pic
uesp.net/wiki/Lore:CHIM

It's Vivec from The Elder Scrolls series of video games. That universe is the dream of a Godhead. If anyone realizes that, one of two things happens. They become overwhelmed by a nihilistic void in the revelation of their own place and existence and cease to exist, or they realize the nature of the universe while also maintaining their sense of self. If they stick around, they basically have free run over the buffet. Because understanding the vastness of reality and not falling apart means you can start to tinker with reality.

>nihilism
>posts Lovecraft, a known socialist and believer in art

lel

>You can still be a nihilist and content at the same time.
Yes I am

But I don't think our existence is subjective. By taking a hallucinogen, reality might seem different to me, but it remains same for others.

>a known socialis

For real? I thought he was socially retarded and couldn't care less about political issues.

Now you are making a mistake in your reasoning.

Doubting one's existence has already been covered hundreds of years ago. Dubito, cogito ergo sum. Doubting the meaning/purpose of said existence is not the same thing.

Mental illness is common in religious societies as well. I think they hide it better.

I always wondered if he was one.

Being shit useless and just fermenting until you die isn't entropy, that's not creating more chaos, ultimately evolving technology/science to a level where as a society we make more unique base decisions in our life that change our cultures/enivorment the more entropy is created.

yes but you don't experience life through others, you experience it through you. What "others" feel is irrelevant as they are part of your own reality and you can't feel what they feel.

What you say can be applied to preserving social norms and values perceived by your reality though.

Also, I'm not strictly speaking about a halucinogen, even alcohol can be considered a reality changer, albeit on a small scale.

He became a technocratic socialist when he started paying attention to politics. All the more sophisticated aliens in his later works were space Communists (much like the Federation in Star Trek). He wasn't pro-Soviet though.

He wanted much more radical program than New Deal was but knew it wouldn't pass in America so he supported Democrats.

Nihilism is the ultimate redpill. Christcucks cant handle the truth so they hide in a fantasy world where sky king protects them and gives their lives meaning.

>I think that you cannot make yourself believe in the divines after you get into atheism unless you are deluded.

It isn't about turning around and believing in the divine. It's about retaining morality and composure and being a better person despite the absence of a sword over your head. But then, in the world we exist in there is a sword over all of our heads. If we don't push forward and do something, we'll die having failed to move humanity forward. So there still is the existential monitoring factor.

Without a god, the universe becomes even more fickle and uncaring. Because it means that we are here on Earth with nothing as far as a safety net or a guarantee. Cooperation is even more important. Pointless arguing more damaging. Every aspect of life is more impactful and important.

Our species can beat death and can one day grow to reshape the cosmos, but only if we actually get our shit together and act.

Kek was expecting something like this in the thread. This actually made me chuckle.

I'm kind of a technocrat. There's no reason why the ones who solves the problems should be the ones that know the solutions for them (and know how to execute them well).
I still think there's space for democracy in a technocrat society, only the ones running for representatives of the society should be exclusively competent people.

>not falling down the nihilism hole and feeling like there's no way out, then adjusting to it and building up your own reality from nothing

Start reducing materialism. Then there are no things to be pointless. There are no people to be dejected and solipsistic nihilists. Fill the remaining void with Agency, done deal.

Not likely, you value life much more if when you understand it's all there is, it leads to the exact opposite of nihilism.

Also, poo.

nihilism is for the weak

the true human bean wants to annex the multiverse

I definitely agree that mental illness exists in both types of society. I guess the problem I see in mine is that secular people replace God with the state, pop culture, and consumerism. They're escapists, who after a 60 hr work week, are only concerned with what to buy, what's new on Netflix, and have little to no concern with world affairs or higher thought.

loovecraft wuz a neet.

This

I realized we're all animals bound by natural selection even in modern society.

>inb4 edgy

Then I thought Mono ethnic/cultural Countries are just a larger version of a tribe and my purpose in life was to ensure my genes were passed on and my "tribe" survived and lived happily then I thought well fuck you then my tribes not gonna die out to some shitty rat tribe bringing in unevolved apes

Whites = best tribe

Which city are you from?

Have you studied Hinduism?

Also a fellow former nihilist here.

God is a nihilist
>got pregnant a married virgin and abandoned his son

be careful with too much nihilism it just means you will be reborn in sweden and have watch everything you love be destroyed within your lifetime

Pune

No

Why are you not anymore?

Anyone who has a hard time with feeling nihilistic could do a lot worse than reading this by the way. I know he's become a meme man because he fights SJWs but this book really is something else.

What was he doing before the genesis though

These.

Retards can't handle the ultimate redpill.

So how's 8th grade going?

Life is hard; in fact it's brutal. The upside is we happen to have come along in a pretty mild and prosperous period. In fact, fighting problems and mishaps IS life.

I swear atheists and agnostics are the biggest pussies. Bitch, bitch, bitch is all I hear from those depressed people. They always turn into addicts (of some kind or another) or they are depressed and unhappy to the point where they are completely unbearable and unpleasant to be around.

Pray to your god for help, and just do the best you can without bitching.

In all honesty religious people are much better to be around. More pleasant, more upbeat, less bitching, less pseudo intellectual nonsense, less self esteem problems, less daddy problems, etc. you name it. What do you excpect from people with nothingness inside though right?

>Why are you not anymore?

Because it's too hard and i found a better philosophy which is Buddhism.

Also which type of nihilist are you?

existential
>Because it's too hard
how so
>i found a better philosophy which is Buddhism
how is it better

>unironic christfag

come on nihilists, at least don't be pussies and prove the world how pointless you think it is and just kill yourself.

If it wasn't late at night, i would totally explain it to you.

But my eyes are turning dry and red right now, i think you've probably never bothered to study Hinduism, Buddhism or any religion.

I would suggest you to read The Bhagwat Gita and study Buddhism.

That did changed my opinions on the way i saw thinks and i know it'll change your opinions as well.

You could probably find videos on youtube about these 2 topics if your're too lazy to read them.

Cheers.

This thread has degenerated. Leaving now.

POO

If I was sensitive about that sort of thing from edgelords like you, do you think I would be on this board in the first place?

Remember, if religion is true, then life is meaningless.

so nihilism counts as understanding now

you people man...

Nihilism isn't truth, it's a side effect of laziness at the most.

which one

lads

hell yeah Henry "around nautical Negros never relax" Lovecraft
BASED
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Op true nihilism is just a brief moment when you realize everything is meaningless and you either kill yourself or dont kill yourself because you found something meaningful, and stop being nihilistic.

>I think that as atheists, if we apply enough reasoning

>atheists
>reasoning

lost my shit. thanks, singh. i needed a good laugh.

Fuck off india

>day of the loo when?

If all things in nature do not seek goals - thus there being no purpose - how do you explain mental intent?

And your reasoning leads you to wizard sky man does it ?

I have a serious problem with atheists' reliance on causality aka science.

If the universe exists, it was either created (spontaneously or divinely), or it has always been (eternal).

Both options deny causality, so it would seem as if causality may be a slight anthropomorphism. At the very least causality is incapable of answering meta physical questions as opposed to strictly physical questions.

you've refuted nothing, ackbir al-abdul. stick to fucking sheep because this is too high-functioning for an idiot like you.

>divinely
aka, by magic.

>when you realize everything is meaningless and you either kill yourself

this meme
There is no motivation in killing yourself, without afterlife

>I think that as atheists, if we apply enough reasoning to understanding life, we ultimately arrive to nihilism.

Okay, sure. But nihilism is not a destination, it's merely a stepping stone.

Stopping at nihilism is the ultimate blue pill, and the source of degeneracy, hedonistic liberalism, and pseudointellectualism.

Most of Sup Forums has overcome nihilism, be it through religion, nation, family, their life's work, self development, or some other abstract goal.
Nihilism is as empty as it sounds, and a far more fulfilling life can be found by moving past it.

>Both options deny causality, so it would seem as if causality may be a slight anthropomorphism. At the very least causality is incapable of answering meta physical questions as opposed to strictly physical questions.

What?
Explain.

see

First we arrive to nihilism.
Then we arrive to Nietzscheanism.

The godless Judeo-Aryan race will dominate the Earth.

Are you trying to say something or are you just having an epileptic fit & hitting random keys with your forehead ?

see

I think our intent is guided by Survival instinct

All things in nature do seek goals, and that goal is called the will to power.

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I feel like one, but I still try to make a change. Giving up is the most pathetic thing to do

>reeee im a dumb theist this logic thing is scaring the shit out of me
Kek.
>calling someone abdul
>says hes an atheist
Wew. Christcucks are getting even dumber

See
Nietzscheanism has a clearly defined goal and an explanation of mental intent (though do keep in mind that free will doesn't exist).

not an argument

>med pack fuck boy

didn't read lol