Austrailian Gun Situation

Aus bros, tell me what the situation is over there with guns is like.

I have a liberal over here telling me that after they brought in gun regulations everything improved. Is this true?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
findlaw.com.au/articles/5022/self-defence-law-in-australia.aspx
thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/11/10/australias-secret-gun-problem-exposed/
reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian/
ursafe.com.au/page.php?id=103
baka.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/i-faced-a-14year-jail-sentence-for-carrying-pepper-spray-20140723-3cffk.html
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Only Apex cunts and lebs are allowed to have guns here.

Ameribros never give in to the """common sense""" gun control meme

The gun crime situation has never been bad. Ever.

Even before 1996, gun crime was a rare occurrence and mainly due to bikie gangs and drug dealers. If someone gets shot, it makes national news. Happens maybe once a week.

Australians are cucks to the gun control jew

Shit. You can own guns but can do little useful with them. For instance, I go crabbing in a river and creek walking distance from my house. There are multiple saltwater crocodiles in the river as well as new males showing up a few times a year. I'm not allowed to take a gun while I walk among the mangroves & shit bricks while pulling in my pots at dusk.

I'm thinking of moving to America and becoming a cowboy

Overall crime stats haven't really changed the trend they were following. Suicides wen down a bit. No mass shootings since, but those are so rare its hard to draw any meaningful conclusions from it.

Also this

Australia is living proof that gun control works. There hasn't been a mass shooting in Australia since Port Arthur.

>I have a liberal over here telling me that after they brought in gun regulations everything improved. Is this true?
No. Hes a fucking retard.

The Australian Institute of Criminology has detailed statistics on murder, assault/battery, and suicide rates. After the gun ban was instituted:
-Violent crimes rose 44% cumulatively over the next 10 years
-Suicide spiked suddenly, but overall it returned to its previous trend

Gun crimes may have been reduced, but overall, violent crime including murder increased. Tell that retard his false sense of moral superiority comes at the cost of many lives who get to thank people like him that they died by some other means than a gun, and they didn't have the means to defend themselves because of him, and all his ilk.

This, pretty much. Never let them take your 2nd amendment America. They may call it "common sense" gun control, but its just one more step towards fucking over your liberties.

suicides from guns plummeted like 70%. im not sure if that drop affected the overall suicide rate much. male suicides continue to climb every year though

it feels fucking great when you're suffering from depression and mention this, and feminists and other identity politic junkies tell you that males killing themselves are a victim of the patriarchy

Nothing improved. While that was actually happening, the laws criminalising sodomy were quietly rescinded.

Fuck off faggot

We're full

Following the National Agreement on Firearms, the number of deaths by firearms in Australia, initially declined slowly. Overall homicides immediately after saw a decrease of less than one per 100,000 persons. Over the medium term homicide by firearm dropped from 1/200,000 to 1/670,000.[24]

Between 2010-2014, gun related homicides across all of Australia had dropped to 30-40 per year. Firearms in 2014 were used in less than 15% of homicides, less than 0.1% of sexual assaults, less than 6% of kidnapping/abductions and 8% of robberies.[25]

Since the 1996 legislation the risk of dying by gunshots was reduced by 50% in the following years and stayed on that lower level since then. The rate of gun related suicide was greatly reduced as well.[23] In 2010, a study reported a 59% decrease in firearm homicides in Australia between 1995 and 2006 (0.37 per 100,000 people in 1995 to 0.15 per 100,000 people in 2006). They also reported that the non-firearm homicides fell by the same rate. The decreasing rate for homicide with a firearm was a continuation of a pre-existing decline prior to the 1996 reforms, and several analyses of these trends have been conducted and claimed that the reforms have had a statistically insignificant effect on homicide rates with a firearm .[26]

Suicides by firearm were already declining; however they fell significantly after controls, dropping around 50% in two years.[27] Overall suicide rates remained steady until a slight drop in 2003, followed by stable rates since then.[24]

That doesn't mean we aren't itching to commit another one.

Get fucked you gay cunt
You're not

Melbourne and Sydney have no right to implement 'their' gun laws on places like FNQ and the NT.
This country is a federalist nightmare.

Men being brought up to deny their emotions and "toughen up" (as opposed to sharing their feelings and emotionalizing, like women) and therefore being less likely to seek treatment for mental illness is an example of gender roles. AKA patriarchy.

Men being indoctrinated to be violent and aggressive (as opposed to submissive and non-threatening), toward women and animals and one another, is an example of gender roles, AKA patriarchy.

Feminists want to fix this. They want to help you.

Fuck off you chink nigger

whats macao like? is it just casinos everywhere?

Actually thats a crock of bullshit.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

Note that this doesn't include small scale killings (whatever doesn't classify as a "massacre").

>australia's food production capacity: 16 million people
>australia's current population: 24 million + 2 million fake citizens


I hope you like spiders because that's all you'll have to eat.

ok i see that you just came into this thread to throw your b8 into the water

you've managed to get a few replies, congrats

In practice it's not that hard to get firearms if you have the money and a clean record. You can keep a .22 bolt action rifle in your house; handguns are a little more complicated, generally only allowed for competitive sharpshooting.

The problem with Australia is more the legal
philosophy of its gun control policy, which does not permit the use of any deadly weapons for self-defense. You're expected to run and hide from home invaders or blow a rape whistle if you get into trouble with violent criminals. The USA's legal framework is much better because it recognizes the Natural Law right of men to use weapons in self-defense and in this regard is more consistent with personal freedom and a sane, masculine outlook on life.

No. Gun related homicides were already well and truly in decline before gun control

>Tasmania
>Can buy a 9mm on the black market
>"Gun control works!"

>.22

More gun-related murders are committed with .22 than any other round (in American at least)

>You're expected to run and hide from home invaders or blow a rape whistle if you get into trouble with violent criminals.
This is a meme you fucking bogan.

You can reasonably defend yourself in your own home. And by reasonable I mean, if someone tries to kill you with a knife, doesn't give you the right to torture them in every possible way. Disarm them if possible, hit them to keep them away, put them in submission and call the cops.

What this doesn't say this that:
The murder rate was already declining. After the NAF, the rate at which it was declining sharply decreased (second derivative), ie. began to reverse the trend, towards higher murder rate. It also doesn't mention that the assault rates started to increased even more above the trend line.

If anything, it did more harm than good.

Can I get a kitchen knife and stab them till they stop moving?

What if they have a gun ?

Why wouldn't you want to defend yourself in that situation ?

One of the reasons rural people got so pissed off is that a lot of elderly farmers and people on rural land have guns for self defense. (Even today)
*If* something ever happened and criminals attack an isolated property the cops are often 30miniutes to 1 hour away!
I used to mow laws for these elderly people, many kept loaded shotguns in quick to access places at all times. One 90 year old widow I knew even slept with a loaded .410 unregistered of course!

You can if you want but you'll be charged with manslaughter or 2nd/3rd degree murder depending on the situation. It's not counted as self defense.

And if you are a 90year old widow on an isolated property you dickhead?

Why not? The cunts got a knife and is attacking me.

How do we enact Castle Doctrine bros?

So they should . fuck the clueless city fags

>on an isolated property
you can have guns in rural areas if that's what you mean, you drongo

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well, it's debatable. There is a huge key difference between our gun politics and the USA's which it's often compared to, is that guns are not a cornerstone of our society. Sorry I can't really give a comparison to the UK, but I'm not really familiar with the ways you guys have it, other than i hear bobbys don't carry guns. Our cops do carry, fyi.

Since the regulations came in we have had basically fuck all mass shootings (unless you count the dickhead cops missing and hitting bystanders) so in that respect the laws have been a success.

I think aussie gun enthusiasts have more of an internal zeitgeist against going apeshit and pumping a few hundred than their US counterparts. Based on that I feel the gun restrictions were the start of this nanny state agenda bullshit.

Yeah for 'pest management'. NOT FOR SELF DEFENSE.

Why don't you dismember his limbs, electrocute him and rip his eyeballs out then? He's attacking you with a knife right? Pretty reasonable response yeah?

You're such a cuck it's embarrassing

There's been 1 (ONE) significant mass shooting in Australia's history

Someone above just posted some links about how the laws were shown to have no statistically significant impact on gun crime

If you use guns to shoot someone under ANY circumstances, you will be convicted of manslaughter at the least, possibly first degree murder.

Was there a situation where this hypothetical 90yr woman on an isolated property succumbed a robbery irl?

Is that supposed to be an argument?

>Being attacked
>Remove the threat
>This is equated with torture

Handcrafting open-bolt sub-machine guns is easy. You can also make a slam-fire shotgun in under 5 minutes.
The gun laws are pointless.

so stabbing them till they stop moving is okay? is there nothing else you can do?

Why do leftist trolls do this sort of crap to firearm owners?
>Oh look I can get a rise out of people!
>My anti-gun position pisses them off!
>My emotions are important!
You people are children, little children the adults have to put up with.

If you're being attacked it's not as simple as ""disabling them"". What if they're bigger than me? Am I supposed to get them in a fucking chokehold?

Why should I have to fuck around and put my life in danger instead of fighting back?

You sound like one of those cucks who whine about how every police officer doesn't shoot people in the leg. In the heat of the moment and kill or be killed people can't always disable people safely.

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most cops are trained to either kill or mag dump into targets. Old man was a NT cop and their reasoning that it was cheaper to kill them than to pay for hospital bills

like you can say if you were in a knife struggle with someone and you 'accidentally' stabbed them in the leg, and they stopped moving, I think that'll count as self defense. But if you continually stab them, then no.

>In the heat of the moment and kill or be killed people can't always disable people safely.
Sure, but that's why the police should be trained to overcome this.

No but she fired into the air at night a couple of times when she was certain there were strange people at her driveway.
>Oh look; rural Australia is different to inner city Melbourne, what-da-ya-know...

If somebody breaks into your house and you injure them, you go to jail

here's your (you). also you're completely wrong.
Handcrafting interests me. I don't have access to a mill but i do have a decent lathe. I wont be doing it anytime soon but would love to know how. If i was able to I would totes have a 9mm.

What the fuck are you on about, accidentally stabbing people in the leg.

Are you actually making the argument that instead of fighting back against someone who may be trying to kill me, I should "disable them" and put myself at risk?

No

The reasoning is that if you're in a situation that requires you to use a gun for self defence, you really should be in a position where if you don't kill the person you would be in danger.

>it was cheaper to kill them than to pay for hospital bills
This is a meme

this is the nt we are talking about. and coons out in the middle of fucking nowhere

You should do everything you can not to kill them. If you just immediately kill them just because they tresspassed your home (some people in the US defend this), then I would disagree with that. My main point it you should react accordingly, you faggot.

>There is a huge key difference between our gun politics and the USA's which it's often compared to, is that guns are not a cornerstone of our society
You know our history as a nation begins before 1996, right?

If anything ever happens to welfare in this country and the full-blood abos are cut off their sit-down-money the NT and some other areas would need open carry back.
The NT already has 'unofficial' positions on carrying unregistered guns in isolated areas.
>Oh look, rural Australia is different to inner city Melbourne...

Still a meme

>immediately kill them just because they tresspassed your home

Why do you keep changing the situation? If there's a bloke attacking me with a knife I don't give two fucks about him, I want to fucking survive this encounter.

You can't honestly think that attacking them back isn't "reacting accordingly". And I'm not talking about chopping off heads or whatever bullshit you want to compare defending yourself with.

I never said you can't attack them back, don't escalate it to some retarded level.

So is stabbing them back "some retarded level"?

That's the example I gave right at the start.

Were you trying to refute me? because that something that didn't happen.

It depends how, where and number of time you stab them. It's not black and white as you describe. Maybe instead of arguing with me, look up your states laws before you get jailed with your boipucci gape opened

You are a fucking moron. If you walk into your rural home at 1:00am and find someone going through your shit and with your family heirlooms stuffed in his pockets what do you do?
>'Please leave sir or I will call the police!
>Grab your shotgun from the barn and tell him to lie face down your he wont have a face.

>Grab your shotgun from the barn and tell him to lie face down your he wont have a face.
Sure threaten them, but don't kill them immediately. Tie them up and call the police. Any issues with that?

>Handcrafting open-bolt sub-machine guns is easy

Bullshit

LIES

ALL LIES.

STATISTICS INCOMING

>Tie them up

Lel

...

>tie them up

Get charged with deprivation of liberty, go directly to jail.

Better off killing him quietly and leaving them in a hole somewhere

or don't tie them if you wish, just keep watching them at 1am in the morning with a shotgun

Strayan gun owner
Licencing is an embuggerance but relatively simple for general firearms. Can't have semiautos or pump shotguns, but have .22 pump, .3030 lever, various bolt actions.

Self defence is legal in Oz
>findlaw.com.au/articles/5022/self-defence-law-in-australia.aspx
The only difficulty is firearms have to be in locked gunsafe when not in use, so getting to them in time can be difficult
There have been a number of cases where unlocked or even unregistered guns were used - one was an old italian couple in perth a few years back. Cunts busted in to steal their cash, beating them both up until old guido got to the unlicenced 12guage he kept for the birds on his grappa vines. No charges laid.

As you can see, banning guns directly correlated with our society becoming more dangerous.

There is no arguing, no defending this bullshit. It is easier than ever as a criminal to get a gun. 500 bucks and i can buy one.

The gun ban ruined our country and is the reason criminals act with absolute impunity.

How many mass shootings has Australia had since the gun laws changed?

maybe you misunderstood, by tie them up I mean tie up their arm or something equivalent so they don't escape, unless you want them to for some reason

Do those stats account for the population growth?

4 mass shootings. What happened was they keep changing the definition of a mass shooting.

Also, there are daily gang shootings by habibi because GUNS ARE EASY TO GET as a criminal.

Yes. Read here it quite clearly says (per 100k).

Our society's gone to shit because cocky criminals have guns and us responsible citizens do not.

You cannot argue with the statistics.

Gun Control is a myth, there's more guns in Australia now than in 1995. The gun Buyback from 1996 resulted in the destruction of ~600,000 firearms, of the estimated 4.3 million in private ownership at time.

thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/11/10/australias-secret-gun-problem-exposed/

reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian/

No, of course not. Some people keep some shotgun shells loaded with rocksalt or black for exactly this.
So guns are pretty useful for self defense huh?
>Can be displayed to get people to fuck off.
>Can be fired in the air to get people to fuck off.
>Can be pointed at people to get them to fuck off.
>Can be discharged near people to get them to fuck off.
>Can be fired with blacks, rocksalt or low velocity bullets to get people to fuck off.
>Can be use to injure or kill people if they dont fuck off.
But when you say 'self defense' the libtard immediately assumes you just want to murder people in cold blood.

Try it and find out yourself.

Well by US FBI standards, mass shooting is 4 or more kills with gun. It's not a standardised terminology as far as I'm aware.

Did they ever explain this

They literally changed our definition to be sneaky.

There was the

>Monash seige
>Sydney seige
>Hunt family murders
>Hectorville seige

What they do is classify them as domestic violence or terrorism so they can pretend it's not gun violence.

In reality, it's criminals who have no problems getting a gun chimping out.
Gun violence did not go away and knife crime SPIKED.

Home invasions are out of control because criminals do not fear us or the police.

Yes. I have even heard of a pistol owner who actually saved a girl from a crocodile. (He kept it in his car).
He told the judge that 'he was on his way to the pistol club'. (It's illegal to even stop for gas when going to the pistol club). No charges were laid.

>But when you say 'self defense' the libtard immediately assumes you just want to murder people in cold blood.
because it's a vague term and some people go worst case scenario.

Some people in the US especially will shoot to kill a home invader, even if they have no intention to kill the home owner. They were fearful. What a shit excuse. Yes, defend yourself, but eople don't like trigger happy people. People don't know when or when not to shoot. If people were trained better, sure perhaps.

I agree about gun training and i actually don't care much about owning a gun myself, i consider myself quite impartial on this.

What i do hate is the propaganda the government spews about how their gun shit "worked".

It's a fucking blatant lie. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Crime is fucking out of control and criminals have no problem getting a gun.

Judges let fucking niggers out on bail every single time, to go commit more home invasions.

It's FUCKED.

This. Anti gun people benefit from gun owners because criminals have no way of knowing if the homeowner is armed or not. Every home is Russian roulette.

you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about dickhead. You're describing some nebulous idea of "acting according to the situation" when you seemingly have no clue what that entails in a potentially lethal conflict with an armed criminal. These self defence laws imposed on us are absolutely retarded, who is to decide what a "reasonable response" is? It's disgusting, you see cases in the news of men going to jail for beating an aggressive intruder in their own homes. I hope you get raped and murdered by Abdulah because you tried to subdue him and "tie him up" without hurting him for fear of the law.

Exactly. Niggers in melbourne are OUT OF CONTROL and crime in general has risen right after the buyback shit.

Those statistics i posted tell the true story.

If I've done what I can to subdue them while protecting myself and without killing them, I'm happy. I do agree our self defense laws aren't the best but what solution do you propose? Free for all?

google ben batterham

a sex offender out on bail (what a suprise) for raping a little girl, broke into a little girl's bedroom.

the dad flipped out, choked him to death and is being charged for murder.

you cannot make this shit up and it makes my blood boil.

our government is full of fucking traitors who don't act in the aussie interest at all.

labor are insane leftie cucks
liberal are jew cocksucking cunts

In WA it's legal to buy and use pepper spray - if self defence with it is legal, so technically is any other suitable implement, you just have to have your story straight and reasonable

ursafe.com.au/page.php?id=103

So if you're unable to "tie them up" and end up killing them you think you should go to jail? Even though you were being attacked in your own home?

What do you mean 'free for all', that makes no sense. I just want elderly people to be able to sleep soundly at night because opa has a shotgun and the right to use it if Apex kicks his door in at 3:00am to steal his beamer while his grandkids cower in fear in the next room.

another fun story for you cunts to read

baka.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/opinion/i-faced-a-14year-jail-sentence-for-carrying-pepper-spray-20140723-3cffk.html

>girl gets pepper spray for defense in wa
>forgets about it, brings it back to sydney
>JAILTIME you racist white supremacist bitch!