Fentanyl a Bigger Killer Than Heroin Now in Some States

What to do about it?

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How about we let nature run its course.

You think these are high quality people dying?

In some cases. I feel the value of all white lives are important enough to save. Everyone deserves second chances and makes mistakes.

I'm not so sure that is a healthy attitude. It seems very anti-evolution.

You know the high IQ whites share originally comes from the less intelligent dying off in winter environments.

Nothing. Let it take out the trash.

Interesting then that the largest and most novel budgetary attempts to tackle drug use have mostly come from northern climes then, Canada, Switzerland, Netherlands.

I at least think we should make Narcan OTC federally and subsidized and available to anyone who asks for it. Better to save lives. We don't deny people antibiotics because those without infection are stronger (they are in a sense). The mental/physical causation is not enough to differentiate treating addiction differently. It kills people, that's the important part.

>the fentanyl overdoses are mainstream news
>people still try their luck

fuck them

What point are you trying to make with that statement? There are many reasons for the war on drugs. If you listen to lefties they say it is to keep pharmaceutical profits high, others here say it has to do with greater empathy.

>preventing darwinism from taking it's natural course

Haha, you idealistic kids always make me laugh.

I think having an OD antidote increases the abuse. If addicts saw their friends and shoot up buddies fucking dying instead of being saved they would have more inclination to kick the habit. Shooting up has become to safe. Yeah there are still OD deaths but there is a much larger chance of being saved, and slim chances are all the addicts' minds need to rationalize continuing

That the winter climate perhaps fosters a spirit of co-operativeness. You are saying the war on drugs is because of excess empathy?

Marijuana getting legalized didn't dramatically increase the rates of people smoking. I haven't seen any data about Narcan increasing use patterns. That's just unjustified hysteria.

i don't think you understand how hard opiates grab you

you might slip once and it haunts you forever

addicts suck but i don't feel like blaming them completely, you really aren't ever the same after knowing what true calm is

duterte is probably right in what he's doing but the fentanyl epidemic is to be handled differently (harm reduction, needle exchanges, buprenorphine programs, possibly heroin programs like in switzerland) than to just shame them into a worse situation

>What should we do about it?

Yes it could be because of empathy. You're a good example of it aren't you?

That's why the West has such strong social protection laws where as in China things like animal cruelty laws and welfare don't exist.

Now that's what I call edgy.

Make more fentanyl. Fucking duh

But I don't support a war on drugs. I would say war on drugs is a struggle to revert to a previous way, a reactionary gesture, not a progressive mode.

Perform Fentanyl supply drops in Detroit.

ITT: nu/pol/ cuck politics

>let them die hahaha let nature take its course
>but we must also squander trillions of dollars, most of the workload of cops, and our prisons by combating drug usage xD

so what would old Sup Forums's views be in your eyes?

90% of that shit comes from New Bedford.
Shit you not Mass is the main source of the drug problem.

>degenerate, genetic dead ends die off
>moral übermensch live on and reproduce
>?

Oh, is a fucking Mexican going to educate us on drug policy? What a treat.

Because you could think of people who get bacterial infections as genetic dead ends and defy treating them by your deterministic logic.

Let people exercise their freedoms, there is nothing wrong in letting people make their own choices, policing this kind of shit is counter productive.

Nu/pol/ thinks they're "letting nature takes its course" by squandering money, resources and manpower to "fight degeneracy"

>Oh, is a fucking Mexican going to educate us on drug policy? What a treat.

That's particularly rich considering OUR drug policy was literally dictated by a cumskin ameriburger initiative called 'merida initiative'

Nothing because the free market will fix it.

If they don't have the agency to disinfect their wounds or the money to pay someone else to do it for them, then yes.

so you are arguing Sup Forums is turning neocon?

I don't think most addicts are dying from necrosis or what you point is.

Let the problem fix itself. Keep bailing out these cancerous leaches and the fentanyl drug problem will persist. If they all die, then fentanyl stops getting used as the client base is gone.

Can't go half a block in any direction in the stuffy district of Vancouver with out seeing paramedics saving some junky from an OD

Nah, im saying that people that die of bacterial infections should be considered genetic dead ends as well.

this
ppl know crack, heroin and all that shit will kill them yet they still do it

hand out more

Well, most of Sup Forums did vote for a Neocon in disguise in the past election

And fentanyl comes from Sweden so what's your point?

Reminder that socialised medicine goes towards these fucking degenerates treatment.

I say we go full Duterte mode and kill all these degenerates

Turn heroin into a regulated business and let drug stores sell it in healthy amounts. No more fentanyl deaths, more taxes for government, less prisoners resulting in less spending, more freedumz resulting in overall happier population. Also it's a wicked painkiller. You can now have painkillers without having to break your arms to get some. Bad for the medical jew.

the fuck is fenatyl?
honestly never heard of it before

>implying hillary wasn't the bigger closetneocon

from Sweden? What?

strong painkiller

Oh or watch this. Should have linked it before.

youtu.be/vbl19waROcA

fentanyl*

Super strong drug that terrorists put into heroin so stupid americans kill themselves. Only solution is to turn it into a regulated business. Or just not care about the deaths.

yeah but more people will become addicted to it, putting a strain on healthcare and increasing crime

it's not like only existing drug users will die until none are left

start overdosing on heroin to equalize the statistics

>What do we do
Deliver more to inner cities, let darwins theory do the rest
The sad things is how much this drug kills people who relapse over addicts who have maintained a tolerance.

watched the intro part at the beginning
all I can say is
SHIEEEEEEEEET

>Only solution is to turn it into a regulated business.
I don't think it would be a solution as it wouldn't solve ODing and addiction, but yeah at least they won't be dying from mixed shit

it is an synthetic opioid 100x the strength of morphine. Im curious how people are getting a hold of the IV stuff. My understanding is that it is only prescribe in transdermal patches and only in cases where the patient is in severe intractable pain. Usually due to cancer etc.

well now that i think about it is probably supplied by the chinese or something. We had a couple cases in New Mexico of people ODing on an opioid used for the sedation of large animals in zoos called carfentnyl (1000x the potency of morphine.

user, white people use drugs just as much as Black people.

>legalize it
>regulate it
>tax it

cheap chinese and indian generic drug manufacturers apparently doing a little business on the side. atleast thats my theory. it isnt manufactured except in transdermal patches in the US

I stumbled into a synthetic drug subreddit a few years ago. It had a bunch of new drugs that were yet illegal, people were ordering it from Sweden.

That is asinine. Your idea that people doing it legally will stymie its use doesn't follow with things like alcohol that are heavily abused and cause widespread heath issues.

What to do about it?

consume in large doses?

maybe we should pass a law that says drug dealers can only sell fentanyl as a transdermal patch

If you let companies sell it in regulated doses people will stop dying unless they actually want to overdose.

>1000x the potency of morphine.
kek. and here i thought fent was a fine line

Well i abhor opiate abusers they are some of the most manipulative and overall terrible people i treat in the ER. Their lives are objectively less valuable then other humans.
Legalizing it is ridiculous however. Emergency medical service for these degenerates is already an enormous tax on state funds.

Portugal

Also, shit tons of people die from alcohol. Make alcohol illegal?

Also, I don't use personally, but I know a few dozen people who can use it recreationally without issues, and maybe 3 or 4 people who've had problems.

No because opiate addiction requires larger and larger doses to fulfill the users need. There is nothing to stop them from taking two of the "regulated dose" and overdosing.

I do believe most illicit Fentanyl in the U.S. is from China. Although the video I linked suggests much is mixed into the Heroin before it arrives in the U.S. in Mexico.

heavilly abused, but not as much as durring prohibition, and we have treatment for it.

pot's use is actually going down among teens in colorado.

I'm not saying ignore it, I'm just saying if someone is abusing their familly should put them in the hospital rather than the government putting them in prison.

In Vancouver, while most of those dying are the bottom of the barrel, some are actually ultra rich. I know a guy who died who inherited a house in west van and whose father is a gold medal Olympian

Once the genes in the gene pool are gone, they are gone. For better, or worse, genetic variability is better than a limited gene pool. See inbreeding problems with rare and endangered animals.

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yeah junkies suck. maybe we should put more fentanyl in the dope and fucking kill em all

do nothing of course. that shit is a self fixing problem. gotta make room 4 dem refugees

I work at a large metropolitan hospital and I see opiate users and deaths every day. The amount of money we spend on these people lies in the billions of dollars whether or not they survive their misadventures.
No im not saying to make alcohol illegal but allowing every opiate user free and easy access to their addiction can only increase the rate of overdose and new users.

Prescription opiate addiction is on par with heroin abusers. Actually you faggot Canadians are some of the first people to attempt stopping the epidemic of prescription opiate abuse.

There are whites that have nigger level intelligence

If they die off it would only make the race stronger

Hospitals shouldn't be allowed to give people pain killers because they will just get addicted. Suffer through the pain or don't get fixed. Drugs are for weaklings.

I'm sure this statistic isnt people with a perscribtion purposefully abusing fentanyl. I'm sure its stuff getting mixed into the heroin.

Fentanyl is dangerous, but its only THIS dangerous when you think its something else

Governments need to infiltrate the drug supply and add more fentanyl to it. All druggies will die.

>but muh kid experimenting!

Too bad. Should have listened when people warned them not to go near drugs. Death to degenerates

There is a fine line between opiate use and misuse. However, ou try not to give pain medication to someone that has a broken femur

>What to do about it?

make it cheaper and available over the counter, hand it out freely in prisons

Exactly.

Short of building a wall on the BC border to keep the rest of Canadas druggies from accessing the winter warmth of Vancouver (thus letting them freeze to death) and then rounding up and killing all the druggies that already found their way to east Hastings this is the best solution. Let nature run its course. Hell the cold snap on the coast too is already killing off these homeless drugged degenerates

>There are many reasons for the war on drugs.

profit is only one reason

Fair enough, but you work at a place where you see the worst, not the average.

Ultimately, I don't think it's criminal for an individual to use any substance. Obviously some should be culturally/socially discouraged, but it's a vice crime, and not the state's place to step in. That's my personal opinion. I've used opiates and didn't care for them, and thus didn't have any issues. I understand the cost, but the argument is that if it's all out in the open, and legal, and taxed, it will be easier to deal with, and addiction I think would be culturally easier to deal with. Plus the taxed aspect would offset the cost. Not that I'm all about taxes, but it's the system in place. Just my opinion.

Dude, you might say this bullshit from an ivory tower perspective. What you have to understand is that people use and abuse this stuff all the time. There are ramifications for its use that spread from interpersonal family issues to the misuse of state funds.
Legalizing it only leads to these costs being intensified.

But that wouldn't work. New people are constantly becoming addicted to opiates. Making them stronger just kills more people needlessly.

But Portugal decriminalized drugs and that didn't raise rates of use. Can you cite an example where legalization or decriminalization worsened patterns of usage significantly?

Drugs don't discriminate by intelligent.

I'd rather just give them a bullet in the back of the head

We just need to elect Christy again and see if she can cut a little bit of the budget to paramedics. I guarantee if they had to ignore one group the paramedics would ignore that junky who has overdosed 4 other times that week

Have the free health system not cover addicts

Chinks are smuggling it in. Probably want to get rid of the drug neighbourhoods so they can buy them up

These drugs are being distributed by the Chinese. WW3 is very very subversive.

I wouldn't mind so long as no tax money went into helping people who fucked themselves because of this

Yes they do. You actually have to be pretty fucking retarded to have it explained to you many times why you don't do drugs, to see people fucked up by drugs and then after all that still fucking do them. At that point just shoot yourself and save the taxpayer money

Or FosB has become over-expressed in your Nucleus Accumbens and you need help to reverse that from medical professional.

I'd like to hear more about this

IV fentanyl is available for patients in hospital here in the UK, ketamine and cocaine injections are available too.

t. Pharmacist

statnews.com/2016/04/05/fentanyl-traced-to-china/


Go to a major Darknet market on Tor like Alphabay and you will see a majority of the Fentanyl listings clearly originate in China, especially for bulk ordering.

That is bizarre. Like how do patients even give themselves IV stuff. PICC lines?

>preventing darwinism from taking it's natural course
why have laws? fucking hypocrite

>how do patients even give themselves IV stuff
they dont its only for hopitals, or a nurse visits your home and administers it to you.

How to obtain personal ketamine, fentanyl, cocaine nurse?

huh interesting. What do you give PRN ketamine for lol? I assume the cocaine is for nose bleeds.

>dismantle industrial economy that supports working class
>blue collar become addicted to hard drugs since they no longer live with purpose beyond the (((pop-culture))) approved pursuit of hedonism
>"lol let them die, it's just Darwin in action cleansing the unfit"
>Meanwhile "fit" white-collar """intellectuals""" increasingly never get around to having kids either because they're too busy chasing shekels and hedonism themselves.
>White birthrate plummets accordingly
>"Oy vey the economy is slowing we need to import more workers since you stupid goyim are lazy and won't have children! "
>[hand rubbing intensifies]
Good goyim.

Theyre both for surgery normally; cocaine is used for eye surgeries and injected directly into the eye.

i was just shitposting m8.
if you want a serious answer about the opiate epidemic, i think the biggest (solvable) problem is the way we conduct rehabilitation in this country. people are always going to want dope. and because of that, there will always be people that will sell it, no matter how legal or illegal it is. thats a problem we cant fix. what we CAN do is stop giving heroin addicts suboxone, which is far worse and has 10x worse physical withdrawals. i dont care what anyone says, if you are on suboxone, you arent clean. its an opiate, and a powerful one at that. you cant expect the brain to repair itself if you are still bombarding its receptors with opiods. this is why we have so many recovering addicts who relapse or are just generally shitbag degenerates. they are still junkies. they never stopped, and to expect them to act any differently on one opiate versus another is stupid. their brain is still wired only for dope, and the acquisition of more dope.

what they should do is start researching herbal non-opiod plants that have opiate agonistic and antagonistic properties, such as akuamma seeds and kratom. im quite certain of these plants potential to help addicts have a virtually (atleast by comparison) painless withdrawal within a week, and be clean and off everything within the month. i have done it myself and i have assisted several of my friends in a similar taper using these herbs. if you are a medical professional, i hope you do some research on these plants, as they most certainly have the potential to save countless lives. and think about this, if all the people on suboxone in the country werent on infinite refill state-sponsored addictions, think how many tax dollars would be saved as well. less junkies clogging up the ER with their bullshit too