Alcohol/AA

Hi guys. I think I may be an alcoholic.

What's Sup Forums's views on AA? Should I give it a try?

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>AA
its bullshit and they act like a cult

ive been a few times, kind of sucks

AA? I don't know paco, seems fake to me. But it is a horrid situation, i know. Get into sports if you are not beta, cant excercise and play well if you drink.

Or wait for some bad shit to happen, like walking naked on the street after a blackout, then you will not touch drink again.

True disciprine comes from within.

Maybe just drink a bit less?

Just got out of rehab for the 3rd time. Back to weed, not drinking though. Can be done with or without meetings, depends on your personality.

Please elaborate? How much of an alcoholic were you? When did you decide to step up and ask for help? How did it yo?

Already tried but always feel so apathic, old and useless and always end up giving up and getting hammered

I hate AA so much. Just go to rehab to break the physical addiction then have some self restraint.

There's no bullshit (((higher power))) that will prevent you from drinking: YOU DO.

How did it *go?

Yes get help and pray to Christ.

t. Redditor that will kill himself in a few years

dude

weed

How alcoholic are you? Drinking 24/7 or just at night or every other day or what? How much do you drink?

Let's say I drink 4 days a week (weekends are larger in Spain). I hang out with my friends and gf and I have 3-4 beers for each beer they have. I don't even talk, I just drink. I can have up to 10-12 beer bottles. After that I can have easily up to 3-4 whiskey and cola drinks. I don't even get wasted anymore, I just walk funny and have a terrible hangover the next day.

>Already tried but always feel so apathic, old and useless and always end up giving up and getting hammered


Drinking as any other shit we fall into, is a symptom of sadness in the heart from something you saw or experienced. You know something is wrong but you still did not figure it out, after good drink session next few days seem better. So you keep drinking. That is what i think.

Figure out what it is, make sense of it and do what you can for yourself first - and that is fitness and good mood. Good people and positive environment around you help.

Pol dont help for good mood unless you feel like shitposting :)

what do you mean by that

i quit drinking alone after trying aa and the people in the groups just set themselves for failure

In my 20th year of sobriety through AA.
Principles really work (steps).
However, AA itself is full of mentally ill people who think they have the world by the ass because they don't drink.
AA gave me back my life. My relationship with God gives meaning to my life.

>after good drink session next few days seem better. So you keep drinking
Oh man, I wish. It used to be like that. Now I only feel good during the drinking. Next days it's only hangover, sickness, sadness and regret :(

Thank you m8, you're mostly right about everything.

Even though I believe in a higher power, it's not one that I could "put my life into" the way that AA dictates. I was forced to go to some meetings when I was hospitalized for a suicide attempt some years ago and the fucking nurses wouldn't just let me sit in my room an read, but instead forced me to "be social" by going to Narcotics user and AA just to socialize. I found it stupid, even though at the time I was drinking as heavily as I am now, which is half a handle a night.

If I'm a successful and happy adult, but I require alcohol to turn off my brain, which is extremely anxious and takes up so much of my processing that I live so much in my head I've literally walked into traffic on accident multiple times, what's the problem? Humans have been drinking alcohol for 6 thousand years - it's inherent to society, probably in part so people like me can stop thinking all the time.

AA works if it's being run by an expert shitlord who makes you face your shame every time you fuck up.
without that professional asshole it's just a hugbox for junkies.

starting some out paitent treatment in January user
It's a personal choice man if you feel like you should quit, do it, more power to you nothing wrong with a man who shows the ability to reflect on his own actions

You just need to do your best to stop and I know this might sound dumb but when you feel the sadness or depressed it's caue ur brain is hungry for dopamine. So when you feel it just do like 20 push ups and you will get a hit of dopamine. Whenever you start feeling that depression just do push ups for a second and your brain chemistry will correct itself

If your a "high functioning" alchy then AA is probably not for you. Many of them are court ordered people and each one is trying to tell the most pathetic story. "I live in a dumpster, get drunk 24/7, and eat my shit when I'm hungry."
Just start by reducing the nights you allow yourself to drink. My drinking and smoking has a lot to do with being bored.

Man good on you to afford all that. The way I stopped was cold turkey for about a month, but I've heard legendary things about the Sinclair Method. You take a pill before you drink and it stops the drinking from being pleasurable so your brain starts asking "why bother?"

user, if cannot keep yourself from taking that first drink, you may be a "real" alcoholic.
If that's the case, good news; there is a solution!
I tried a number of things to keep from drinking--working out, new friends, moving to different states, only drinking wine, only smoking pot. In the end, nothing really worked.
Once I admitted I had the problem, I was able to accept the solution.

That's the way it is man, used to drink my troubles away and they would stay gone for a while, now I am in the same boat as you, I drink and by the time I wake up I feel worse, but if i take a night of from drinking I'm a dick to everyone until I drink again, depression sucks, drinking isn't the answer I know but I haven't found what is yet

Congratulations bro. I'm trying to bring back my relationship with God too, but it's hard after almost 20 years of total disconnection from faith.

How fucked were you before starting in AA?

Yup. That's one of the things I feared most. I don't want to get in with my pussy story around hardcore alcoholics.

My dad was in AA. When I was growing up he would spend his weekends doing AA things and sponsoring alcoholics.
Definitely seemed cult-ish. It started taking priority his relationship with his own kids and my mom... its probably one of the reason my parents got divorced.

So yeah
>tl;dr AA is a cult

I'm working on my second 200ml bottle is that too much ? btw this is holiday ;eve; consumptioj

For the record I have pretty bad ptsd, not the kind from someone not thinking I'm a special snowflake, the kind you get from dealing with shit we are not meant to deal with on the regular, and a chronic injury that the doc wants me on vicodins for the rest of aparently forever for( I don't take them, I know how much I drink I'll end up dead) so I have a pretty good idea why I do it, I guess I just don't want to stop

I hear ya on the bored thing. It's literally what I do on nights when I am by myself. When my girlfriend doesn't come by I get plastered and play Xbox. I don't even like playing the games sober anymore.

I guess I am a functional drunk in that I get up work everyday and maintain all personal relationships. But if it's a day where I get to drink I get super excited. I can easily go through 30 beers a day.

I went to AA once because someone suggested it and did it to please them. AA is a fucking joke. Bunch of people who claim they have beaten alcohol but sit around and talk about times they used to get drunk everyday. Fuck that noise.

>How fucked were you before starting in AA?
Also, I couldn't keep a job, couldn't keep a girlfriend, couldn't be of real use to people no matter how hard I tried. Made bad choices because all I really wanted to do was drink. Wrecked several cars, went to jail, had a lot of close calls.
Kept watching as my friends and people around got on with life, while I just couldn't seem to "get going."

What's the difference between a problem drinker and an alcoholic? Or are they the same thing?

Go to NA, they accept alcoholics and aren't as preachy/cultish as AA is.

Had a roomate who drank himself to death. One of the saddest and undignified ways to go... he turned yellow, swelled up with edema, and once the ammonia hit hit brain he was pretty much toast. Died writhing on a hospital bed. Don't let that happen to you.

Why quit now? Go get liquored up and redpill some normies.

Drinking helps my sincere ptsd as much as all the medication does, if not more, so I get you there, friend. All this therapy and these drugs with horrible side effects, yet I could just take a shot and feel 10x better.

It's actually harder for me to stop drinking than to start drinking. After 1-2 hours I don't even count the drinks.

I mean I think it's the same thing kind of? I don't have the physical addiction, even drinking almost every day if I have a really good day for some reason I don't end up drinking though, it's rare but it still happens, I think that's the difference, I don't even get the shakes and never drink all day, I just get fucked up almost every night

This just reminded me I'm out of beer. brb

addictfag here. NA saved my life. Just go to a few different meetings and see what you think. If you really want to stop drinking it WILL help you to do so.

kys

Never went to AA, but I managed to overcome my alcoholism on my own thankfully.

Just weened myself off of it. Nowadays with the internet(and some common sense, which isn't often when you're drunk - so that's what family's for) you don't need to go to these support groups unless you need emotional support from people struggling through the same thing.

I was at the point where I was drinking a 5th or more of Wild Turkey a day. I'd take a double shot as soon as I woke up, bring a flask with me to work, fill up at lunch time, drive home, fill up when I got home, finish the bottle with glasses. On the weekends I wouldn't bother getting out of bed.

I became paranoid, depressed, and making bad decisions. My career effort had substantially decreased. I was in a bad world, and my brain degraded itself and is slowly healing. It became a problem(to me) when my drunkle died of alcohol poisoning, and after seeing how he was in his final years - I didn't want to be like that.

I started with a fifth a day for a week, then disciplined myself to do 3/4 for 4 days, then half for 4 days, then a quarter for two weeks, then move to just a 6 pack of light beer for a week.

Now I just drink a jack and coke on occasion.

Addiction is a disease of the mind brother.

I think we are having a more productive meeting here than any other bs I have been to.

You should become Black Pilled.

>harder to stop drinking than to start drinking
That's what I mean; if you don't take that first one, you won't have to stop. The hard part is not taking that first one.

I'd classify myself as a problem drinker but not an alcoholic. I mean, an alcoholic can't stop, right? I can stop, for weeks, even months. Been there, done that.

But I get to choose and I have no obligations to be fully sharp, I drink every other day.

I'm wondering about this definition.

When I have needed to for work or such, I can stop drinking without any negative consequences other than me thinking it sucked.

Yet, I want to drink and do drink every night. Where does that put me?

Basically what I did. I was getting drunk every night for years. The smell of my urine caught my attention and I knew I had to do something. Now I just drink one night a week. When you reduce your intake a 12 pack of beer will get you wasted. lol

Kinda like me. i quit drinking twice. Did it on my own. I relapse when I drink alone.

I can drink with friends and never pick it up again. But once I buy a bottle and drink alone, I'm done for and the daily fifth purchases start again.

its a religion. You supposed to leave your friends for them.

Onto a dangerous precipice I suppose. I'm right there with you.

I've heard this habit insidiously warps your mind as years go along and all other sources of pleasure start to shrink, and you end up a drone whose dead inside, just going through the motions.

>an alcoholic can't stop, right?
An alcoholic cannot keep himself from taking the first drink. Typically, after taking the first drink, he is powerless over whether he stops or not.

For example, the last time you drank you wrecked your car, went to jail, and lost your job.
I'll never do that again.
Don't drink for months or years.
At your new girlfriend's house for dinner, "Hey user, want a glass of wine?" "Sure why not? (It's been months, right?).
Everything goes as planned. But next weekend, you have a glass of wine, then another, then get a bottle on the way home.
Weeks, months or whatever later, you're right back where you started.

Wow. that's a hardcore story. I'm more of a binge drinker, 3-4 days a week.

I'm a high functioning alcoholic. I go to one meeting a week for an hour. It's good accountability. I'll take a sponsee once in a while to give back, and it's a cool experience. I don't make a life of it though. I got a lot out of the steps and have really improved my life. Check it out, I've found value in it.

Great place to meet girls

You want to beat alcohol. Rent a hotel room lock yourself in the room for a week straight and face it head on like a man.

Antabuse

Give up booze user. Going cold turkey works for me. Feels fantastic after a few weeks.

Mi abuelo fue alcoholico. Si en verdad eres uno, tienes que bajar tu consumo poco a poco y segundo entrar a grupos de ayuda para el alcoholismo.

I did that with opiates, would recommend.

I do it to shut off my brain. I live mostly in my head (in b4 autism) as an academic and when I don't drink I just overthink things so much that sleeping is difficult for me. Before I started drinking I would just sit up all night thinking about things. My wife gets irritated with me all the time that I don't always pay attention to what she says because I'm too much in my own head, and it's not just that she's a woman, my colleagues have shared the same sentiment.

I don't think it's dulled my brain except when I'm doing it, and that's the desired effect.

depending how long and how much you drink this can be a bad idea because you can possibly die from seizures

if i were drinking long and hard i would probably check into inpatient detox just to be safe

Sure, but don't worry if it doesn't work.

>cold turkey
I gave up cigarettes like that. Don't know why it's so hard with alcohol.

Y murio por el alcoholismo

What you're describing is untreated alcoholism. They'll teach you to get over that in a good meeting

Stop drinking alcohol!

No idea how you can stomach that shit. After I drink heavily I feel like a sac of formaldehyde.

Lamento lo de tu abuelo. Yo no soy consumidor diario ni solitario, sino que me pego atracones 4 días a la semana. Ni siquiera sé si a eso se le puede llamar 'alcohólico'.

Ever gotten the tremors with cigarettes?

Alcohol is one of the few drugs that can kill you from withdrawal

Detox with something like Ativan then support and Antabuse is the only way I figured it out with my wife.

So what is the term for someone who can resist the first drink?

This isn't true

Your gut bacterium cultures control your vagus nerve which influences greatly what you crave to eat. As you know, alcohol is the fermented jew - and obviously you have an extremely high amount of gut bacteria or parasites in your stomach thriving off the acidic environment created by the alcohol you consume, and obviously bacteria proliferate easier in fermenting environments. Try some probiotics or eat fruit when you crave beer. Good luck user. (My brother was an alcoholic)

Chinks in cucknadia, im not surprised. How is it living in shanghai and fucking over Vancouver's housing market?

Alcoholic. An alcoholic is most insane when they're sober, it's is their sober mind that'll take the first drink in spite of all past consequences.

Then you are to far gone and should remove yourself from the gene pool.

Shit, that's scary. Thank you bro.

Thats a good way to kill yourself from seizures.

>88
nice.
Do you usually have booze around your house? It's better to just not have it around to tempt you. First few weeks are the hardest. but then it gets easy and just start thinking about it.

Take a month to wane your usage. 2 months if needed. Your body will literally die from cold turkey.

Once you get it under control, enjoy responsibly on ocassion. If it's really bad, talk to your doctor to get prescription help until you wane from that.

Self improvement starts and ends with you. You do not need to go to meetings that can eventually bleed into your regular life. Take control of yourself; temper your weak will into strength and discipline.

You can do it.

>So what is the term for someone who can resist the first drink?
Either "normie" or sober.

AA is for weak spined nigger cucks.
>coddles whiteman against its genocide

Just go to church.
That's usually where it is anyway.

Also look into Antabuse

but drunken pol posting is best posting

Most of the idiots in this thread have no idea why AA seems to work well. They focus on the higher power element or other formal bullshit too much.

The real useful part is it's a place where people get together, discuss functions they do that aren't helpful.

Even those who have quit drinking and maintained sobriety share things like "this X stressor arose, and I responded in Y way, but it's not the best way I could've handled it. Even though I didn't drink, acting in Y way is what made life harder than it had to be."

The useful part of AA is how everyone's there discovering highly personal attitudes, actions and behaviors that could've been different. To continuously improve one's self, and share it to stimulate other's sharing, helping themselves and possibly others in group.

It sucks, and doesn't work for many people. It's more like a cult if you ask me.

You're better off getting therapy for the underlying issues that caused your addiction.

You drink now to avoid feeling like shit, which is what happens when you don't get that drink.

Right. The only potential damage I've done is to my liver, wallet and mental wellbeing.

A problem drinker it is.

yea i agree that its too late if you get that bad and most people at that point wont quit

AA is very cultish and I wouldn't suggest it.
I would suggest you see a therapist and try to recognize your reason for drinking. For some people, there are triggers that initiate the desire to drink and it's basically caused by exposure to unwanted stimuli. If that's the case, just do some cognitive behavioral therapy to make it so you have a different reaction to the unwanted stimuli. If it's a habitual thing like most alcoholics, it's just a matter of breaking the habit. Just stop yourself from drinking. It's pure willpower.

I really love Varg and he told me to stop drinking so I stopped.

Get lied to and get cucked by above average niggers

>cowering in fear instead of soap is the only way
>sends the cliche if not ironic message

I got a DUI last Monday. Blew a .27. Almost passed the sobriety test. Haven't drank since then. Might as well make no drinking my New Years resolution and see how far that goes...even though that was my resolution last year...and the year before that.

i went to one and i don't know how it is structured but it seems like it was led by someone who was voted in but they were are very unintelligent sounding and gullible. i felt like it was cult followers trying to lead a cult and it was very weird.

probably just the area i was in, they were very trailer park looking people and didn't have many riveting thoughts or introspectives on alcohol other than they believed in the system. the lack of thought was a problem because part of its usefulness is supposed to be reliability but just hearing generic shit like "take one day at a time" and self proclaimed alcoholism is not insightful or helpful.

Antabuse works

Source: wife is an alcohlic, saved her life

it works if you want it to

If you can't stop for 30 days, you have a drinking problem. Quitting might save your life.

>I don't want to get in with my pussy story around hardcore alcoholics.

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