Why are restaurant servers such entitled little brats? Their wages are already higher than they should be...

Why are restaurant servers such entitled little brats? Their wages are already higher than they should be, and they still bitch about tipping!

I've worked in the service industry for several years as a server, a cook, all the way to middle management. Servers are the most entitled entry level workers ever. They don't understand what real labor can be, the rift between front of house and back of house is staggering.

I don't even go to restaurants anymore outside of social compulsion (which I in turn take steps to avoid as a matter of course).

This tipping/min wage issue has created a three way war between and among employers, employees and customers. So long as employees and employers try to use me as a bludgeon in their battle over who gets the money I spend in the restaurant, I'm staying away.

Only go to them on dates or with friends and family, they just get so hostile that I won't voluntarily leave them a few extra dollars after $100 meal. I've noticed that fucking fast food places are starting to do tipping on the receipts now, i'm not going to tip you for fucking take out.

The only times I tip anymore are for delivery drivers (you're saving me time and gas, I'll gladly pay extra for that), Japanese steak houses (As long as they don't completely phone it in, I'll reward them for a good performance), and hair cutters/stylists (fear).

That's actually a wholly legitimate point. If you can't afford to give your delivery guy a dollar you shouldn't be eating at fucking Dominoes. Go make yourself a bowl of eggs faggot.

>I don't have time to
If you don't have time to make your own food it'd better be because you're fucking working, and if you're working so much that you don't have time to do what medieval peasants did every day when working the fields for ten fucking hours I guarantee you you can afford to tip a dollar.

I wish someone would open up a no tipping expected restaurant near me. I like to go to restaurants but I'm not interested in paying a 15% tax on my food because servers are a bunch of entitled brats.

There is nothing special about their job.

If they give me good service I always tip 15-20%.

Whats the problem with this? Its pay based on merit. They give me good service and I reward them for it. Its better than them getting the same wage no matter what.

Don't be a kike.

And here they come

Reminder that if you live in Oregon, your waiter makes minimum wage already, so there's no need to tip, unless you think their work is literally more valuable than yours if you make minimum wage.

All waiters in the entire country make minimum wage at the end of the pay period. It's a federal law. If anyone tells you differently you can safely disregard their opinion because they're uninformed.

>Whats the problem with this? Its pay based on merit.
try explaining that to the person who sets wages for wait staff

We might not be in this mess

You fucktards, I have to explain this every goddamn thread so listen closely.

-I pay for service
-service has flat rate
-waiter/waitress has no incentive to give a shit about me, refill my water, do anything other than bring out the food when they feel like it

vs

-I pay for service
-waiter is making less money, but is able to get a lot more by doing a good job
-they refill my water twice, bring me some bread, let me know the food's coming out in five minutes
-they get rewarded accordingly

Here's the kicker, set wage for waiters means more expensive food, so you're effectively paying less to the same amount for better service.

You libertarian faggots ought to be all over this, it's the closest thing besides Uber to a free market based on merit.

They only make minimum wage if they can prove they made less through hourly+tips, which is nigh-impossible unless you save every receipt and bank slip you ever get

if you do this, you get fired instantly because they don't want to pay you/you're a fucking shit waiter

As a non american who's visited america, tipping is stupid as fuck.

It's a practice that originated when the economy was great and everyone had reams of money to spare from their white collar jobs and just passed it out of generosity. The same isn't true now, but it's been canonised by the masses and become social obligation despite it being completely irrational.

What began as generosity has been turned into gibsmedats, and it's mostly the employers to blame, but servers being idiots, (typically with no prospects or other options, and a hard done by attitude) doesn't help.

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In Mexico that doesn't work. Most of the workers are undocumented. Uh. Being undocumented is a typical Mexican thing. I wonder why.

It's like a script with you people.

>they don't make minimum wage you have to tip them
>they do make minimum wage
>well if they tell their employer to pay them they get fired

Every single time. And if that's the case, which it isn't, that's why the Department of Labor has a violations hotline.

>mfw order take out from my favorite restaurants to avoid tipping
>mfw eat my favorite meals in my car

am i a degenerate?

By the same people that asks for 15 USD for working part time at McDonald's.

read between the lines faggot

>tipping-based economy for servers
>common misconception is that they aren't making good money (not true)
>people who tip under the assumption that they're hard off are retarded (they are)

Tipping is not charity work, it's rewarding good service. You pay less to the same amount for better service. If the company has to pay minimum wage to everyone, then nobody would give a shit about you or your food, which is the only reason they're there. You'd also pay the same amount/more because prices would be raised accordingly.

except if they are a shit server their manager should reprimand them for reducing the quality of service in the restaurant...

It's their job. Why pay them more for actually doing their assigned job?

High school kids do not give a single shit about getting scolded by a twenty-something year old

they do give a shit about making less money

YOU AREN'T PAYING THEM MORE
If I raise taxes on a business, the business raises prices to cover the tax
The exact same shit happens for paying wait-staff minimum wage. YOU pay no less, and in fact will often pay more for worse service. The difference in how the money is distributed results in net good for the consumer.

You could also never tip again for the rest of your life. Nobody is making you.

They get fired and black balled from local service jobs.

But you're already paying your Barber directly?

should we tip robot waiters when they are implemented?

Nope, I do the same except I take it home

>t. never worked service in my life

the only way to get fired from a service job is to stay there longer than a year. The people managing restaurants are ususally one half-step above the waiters themselves. Unless management really hates you (they ususally don't, since they are usually promoted waiters), AND you fuck up repeatedly for months at a time, AND you're requesting wage compensation would you get fired.

Robots are programmed a certain way, humans react to positive and negative stimulus

nice false analogy faggot

They wouldnt be having this problem if they didnt accept dogshit jobs that would stiff them in the first place.

The fix to that problem is educating yourself, not us giving you an allowance.

In Sweden we don't tip and I've never had a problem with service. A pitcher of water at every table is standard in 90% of the "better" restaurants. If you drink it all you can ask for a refill. You are right that it costs a lot, but that is mainly due to retarded taxes that go to (((welfare)))

I don't work in a restaurant I work in a casino but I also work for tips. Our base wage is less than minimum wage it's about 5$ an hour. Dealing is a skilled position that requires about a month of training and takes a few years to become 100% proficient it's not really considered unskilled labor.

In this business you tend to start out at what they call break in joints where the tips are low and you deal to low limit fleas all day. You work your way up by getting good enough here to go work in another casino.

OK now that I've explained that I will get to the tipping part. I've been in this business for 20 years and I now work at a joint where I make 80k a year in tips. There is no casino on earth that would pay a front line service employee 80k a year to push dice around a table. Without tips every casino would staff their tables with non English speaking fresh off the boat asians or replace us with machines and every player knows this.

I don't get mad when people don't tip. 95% of the people I interact with every day don't tip. Without tips your casino experience would way worse.

You wouldn't be having this problem if you didn't eat dogshit food at restaurants and cooked everything yourself.

The fix to that problem is educating yourself, not expecting cheaper pricing from a luxury service in a competitive market.

>he thinks that if you're poor you shouldn't even eat shitty franchised pizza

Nice straw man faggot, maybe you can actually make an actual argument in your next post.

If you're poor, you SHOULD cook everything yourself. It's cheaper and tastes way better if you know what you're doing. Just because most poor people are retards doesn't mean we should accomodate them paying 9 dollars instead of 10 dollars for 2 dollars' worth of food.

When the day comes that you realize time costs something to people is the day you will grow up.

The irony is palpable.

Invest in a crock-pot, friendo. Even microwave meals are cheaper than eating out. Again, you can never tip for the rest of your life, nobody's stopping you.

If you do your job and don't bug the shit out of me and try to make casual talk you'll get 15% pre tax tip from me. Nothing more.


If you suck at your job or keep bugging me you'll get .25¢

>if you know what your doing

And your argument collapses like a house of cards,
>$9 of $10 for $2
That's some real nigger math right there

I've been in the culinary industry for 12 years now, 8 in fine dining, and 4 of those in the Michelin circuit, where I find myself currently (always BOH, currently Chef Du Partie of the Sautee crew)..

In the true fine dining/Michelin circuit, serving takes a decent amount of labor, they are required to know the ins and outs of every aspect, our menu, wine pairings, the position and angle of every object in our dining room. , and exactly how to move. They must be flawless. Establishments like this are a rare few, but their staff truly deserves tips.

99% of establishments do not have FOH like that. Servers are nothing short of the most insufferable losers ever. The women are always the same, grew up lower-middle class, went to college for some useless shit, ended up being lazy and wanting easy money, starts serving, slutted around for a while, all the good guys are gone, end up dating around with kitchen rats and just squeeze by on tips constantly. Laziest, dumbest fucks ever, whenever they open their mouths a rage brews in me, it's like a high-school girls clique with the craziness of bitches going into 30 and still single, you all know that trashy type.

Tip if you want good service, and many of them do survive on tips (and most servers do extremely well), but they don't deserve shit. A kitchen breathes hard labor and work, and the staff walk away with so little for everything that they put in. What people don't understand is how unprofitable the industry is, tipping isn't really about giving them incentive, most places just can't pay them and people are greedy. Those at the top take heavy cuts of profit, and live it up comfortably with the service staff. They don't have to really pay the servers because they walk away with hundreds in tips a night, and then push all their problems on the kitchen. The industry is so backwards, 99% of people would be baffled by working in it..

There's some insight

Tipping is an undemocratic form of bribery.

>I can't follow a recipie
>I can't learn

who's the nigger now

>I also can't read
I'm poor, should everything be cheaper to accommodate me? This is what I said. You'd know that if you graduated high school.

It's ultimately irrelevant because eliminating tipping wouldn't even make anything cheaper.

>all these poorfag waiters trying to cry about not getting tips

I go out a few times with friends or with gf and I never tip and if I do it's because they did a really good job.

But I only ever tip $5 because no matter how fucking good or fast you got that food out too me. You still just walked and wrote down my order maybe even refilled my drink.

Unless I get a blowjob or a back massage why the fuck would I give a big tip?

They may get phased out by automation in the not so distant future

I know this sounds bizarre to you but not everyone is on a shoestring budget eating ramen. Most families like being able to go out 2-3 times a month for food when they cooked the other 27ish days of the month. Anyone can get easy tips and I do 20% minimum all the time.

If you are getting shit then waiting is not for you, find a new job.

it's not really a tip if i'm forced to do it under threat of having my food sabotaged with herpes

>undemocratic
>get to vote with your wallet exactly how much or how little someone should earn
>can even opt out if you want

nice refrigerator-magnet quote there, chief

Thanks to Obamacare most people opening non-fine dining restaurants are eliminating wait staff for Order at the Front & a Runner will bring it to you service.
I recently went to a respectable Seafood / Sushi restaurant that averaged $100 per person and they had no wait staff.

>3.75/hr
>higher than should be
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Do you tip the dishwashers cos the plates are clean?

lets see some of you awkward faggots wait on people and watch how hard you fuck up

>libertarians
>using logic
Kek good one. Libertarians only want a free market when its beneficial to them

This is partially true, this was also me
The industry plays by different rules, crime is a big topic. You can do pretty much do whatever you want personally crime wise, but there are a few things you can do to get yourself blacklisted (I'll touch those in a sec). In terms of common shit that does happen, drugs are pretty cool (as long as you can work), functional alcoholism, screaming, verbal abuse, working off the clock, drinking on the job, constant threat of being fired, underage drinking, etc etc.

Here are the things you can do to get blacklisted
>Murder
>Rape
>Any sort of theft, one of the few things never tolerated
>Getting an establishment in legal trouble/suing

That's about it to blacklist ones self, though servers are lying fucks, they walk away with so much in terms of hours worked to money they come out with. Feel no pity for those lazy cunts

Did serving in between jobs for a year. If you don't have a subhuman short term memory its a breeze.

Failing that you can always write the shit down and bark the order to Carlos in the kitchen.

I know how to fucking cook, I just don't have any fucking time for it between my job and school, and on top of it it's too expensive these days.

> your math is still nigger math

>hurrr you dint graduate high school
Everyone who isn't an idiot can graduate high school, not everyone can go through college and nor should they if want to pursue a trade.

>going to a full service restaurant is faster than cooking
Are you roasting a fucking turkey every meal?

No one is addressing the underlying issue with this.
Servers when paid mostly in tips have no respect or incentive to make the business money.
Of all my jobs with servers I've yet to work one where the servers are doing favors, giving away free shit, or willing to throw management and the kitchen under the bus for a couple bucks. They see their money coming from the customers not the establishment and thus hold no incentive or obligation to make the business money.
These are people who make 20+ an hour writing things down and pushing buttons. And they bitch and cry about this constantly like they are working in a steel mill.

>flipping burgers
>labor
Wew lad

>requesting wage compensation would you get fired
Sounds like you are being cucked. You do know its the law for them to bring your wages up to minimum wage if you don't receive enough tips right?

Just because most people overtip for bad service doesn't mean the act of tipping is bad or illogical or should be banned

ultimately most restaurants couldn't even afford paying waiters minimum wage. If you did levy a return to minimum wage, though, prices would go up so you'd just wind up paying the same amount for shittier service.

If you don't want to tip, don't tip. It's that fucking easy. Just don't expect good service if you're a repeat customer.

The social stigma is stupid, but again, that's the problem of the people who tip.

If you can't into time management, there are plenty of carry-out restaurants where not tipping is expected. If you want to go to a sit-down restaurant, just acknowledge that you're getting better service because you are expected to tip.

The solution is easy, but again, you will be paying more. Wage is static 10 an hour or however much you want, waiter gets a stake in the firm in terms of stock. They are no longer in an adverserial relationship with the consumer and want the business to succeed. Of course, this also means everyone makes less money.

> all the dirty dishes that need to be cleaned afterwards
> sitting there cooking the food
> making sure the ingredients are right

I guess you could just live off of instant Ramen noodles untill you die of a high cholesterol.

culinary bro is it possible to tip you?

Dishwashers are paid minimum wage

>cooking at home is more expensive than a restaurant
>cooking at home is slower than a restaurant
Its like youve never cooked at all

So do waiters. It's illegal to pay them less.

You've never worked in a kitchen have you? Most restaurants actually have to make food, we're not talking about McDonalds-tier places here.

Question for 'Merkins:
Do you tip at fast food restaurants?

If not, why not?
At a fast food restaurant the server is quicker and on as low a wage as waiters, usually if you order something that is a little more complicated like a Mcfillet of Mcfish they'll bring it to your table when it is ready. Fast food servers also work a lot harder for their money than some entiled waiter.

Also how many times have you tipped the kitchen staff?
The guy who washes the dishes or the bloke that cooked your bread rolls worked a heck of a lot harder to bring you your meal than your waiter and is paid the same low wages but you don't tip them.

excuse me?, your boss doesn't give you enough to live on and yet I'm the cheap piece of shit for not giving you an extra that you need to earn rather then take for granted?

world on it's head

Rinsing your plate off and putting it in the dishwasher takes less than 15 seconds. It takes time for you to make sure the ingredients are right? Are you literally retarded?

See
You clearly don't know what you're talking about m8, just stop

Im not sure where you live but waitresses in my state make 3.75 hr

that last part applies to retail too. not a particularly hard job but people still bitch about it.

>they refill my water twice, bring me some bread, let me know the food's coming out in five minutes
Believe it or not they do that in countries that don't tip as well.

I'd be okay paying more knowing carlos in the kitchen isn't half cooking my chicken because he's mid mental break down because some pen monkey is screaming at him through the expo window because the ticket she rang in 10 minutes ago isn't done yet. Yelling "you're messing with my gibmedats!"

That was just today at my work, I could cap this thread with shitty stories.

Fast food workers make minimum wage. Tipping is reserved for those that are paid less to cover the gap

>he has a dishwasher

Opinion discarded

Not in Merica. It's very common to get a wage under half of minimum if you're not at a fine dining establishment and the equivalent to a unpaid butler.

Try working construction for a week then tell me about how hard sautéing that onion was

Not all of us are dirt poor. Guess thats why i dont mind tipping and you cry about it

Retail pays shit though so I'll give them that.
Serving is fucking childs play and the only stressful thing about it is worrying about your tip, then still bringing home 200 bucks after 6 hours of work and then bitching that you have to roll silverware before you leave.

Listen here Muhammad

The reason we don't tip fast food is because they pay minimum.

The only reason people tip in sit downs is because

A) you feel happy and think that person did a good job you OR you'd fuck the SHIT out of her and are trying for browny points.

B)nasty shits have been proven time and time again to SPIT in your food if you have been there before and know you don't tip.

People that are waiters are shallow teens or niggers/spics.

>cook in a crock-pot
>done by the time you return from (implying you have a job)
>make hamburger
>literally one dirty dish, the pan
>make chicken
>same thing
>cook bulk rice + chicken + broccoli dishes and store them for the week, an hour of work on sunday
>eggs take 5 fucking minutes
>you can buy things 90% done at the store anyway

cooking is fucking easy if you try it for longer than a week, don't be retarded.

It doesn't happen because most servers make way more than minimum wage, and the ones who don't aren't servers for long.

Do you pay for your TV license every month Hamid?

You don't tip fast food workers because they're not serving you food. It's all kitchen staff.

If you actually went outside, you'd notice restaurants operate at a much, much, much higher capacity that fast food restaurants. To facilitate this increase in business, these things called "waiters" were invented. They manage groups of 30 people at a time, which is actually way, way, way harder than it seems. Rather than pay them wages, they are rewarded upon their ability to serve quickly and curteously, and because they aren't being paid by the restaurant, the food becomes cheaper.

Most waiters are shitty people. Most restaurants are shitty places to work. Waiting a busy lower-middle class restaurant is one of the hardest jobs there is. That's not what we're arguing.

They also make more than minimum wage
your minimum wage is also like 30 dollars

I did roofing, it's shit, it did steel working, it's also shit, work in a large kitchen making hundreds of orders,
Try again m8

It would be so much easier if you told me you were a NEET virgin that masturbated to figurines all day long.

>be restaurant owner
>offer a reasonable wage for wait staff (min wage or higher)
>applicant steps in

>"what do you mean you'll be paying me based solely on my hours worked?"

Yes, that's how every other employer in the world does it.

>"you mean I can't pester the patrons for ANY extra cash?"

They pay me for the meal, and then I pay you your wages.

>"then I won't have any motivation to provide good service"

You do as good a job as you feel your salary is worth. But be aware that if you don't do as good a job as I feel your salary is worth, I'll find someone to replace you.

>"nah man, this doesn't make sense. Why you gotta complicate things like this. I'm out"

This. They can juggle it any way they want, the only people that think waitering is hard has never worked in their life.

You think customers are bad or mean? Try explaining to a customer that their machine broke because of a manufacturing defect instead of retarded workmanship.

Have to carry a large food order to the table? Try slogging a 65kg cylinder 500m to a digger, through waist high mud because the pickup truck will sink.

I find it ironic that every person that I have given a chance to make something of themselves, that comes from a waiter background usually lasts between 1 to 6 weeks tops.

So, you save that all and turn it in within 18months of first stiff to get full payment back and when they fire you, you sue for wrongful termination.

Go talk to a lawyer or use Google (but always make sure you ask your parents before accessing the internet!)

>I must

Lol. You did neither. Why the fuck would you leave a steel working job to be a fry cook? For the "challenge"? Lol gtfo with your pathetic lies

This.
Fucking this.
Hell I'm someone who would tip a minimum wage server who did a good job.
But not the girl who fucks up my order, only see her twice, some other server drops the food off, then she glares at me because I only left 10 on a 100 bill.

maybe if they spent more time forcusing on how to be a better waitress and less time bitching they don't get enough tips, they'd do a better job and i would tip them more. holy shit it's not a hard concept.

i only tip asian restaurants for take out because they are the only ones who seem to know how to tie a fucking bag so it doesn't slide around on the way home.

fast food employees dont take tips because they dont serve you. they have no servers. AS far as dishwashers go lets just say that when INS shows up they are the first to bail out the back. Chefs in nice restaurants are typically well paid or own the join. Barbacks typically get a percentage of the servers tips. The waitstaff make tips under the theory that part of their income coming from tips will lead to them providing better service. Without tips it would typically be in their best interest to get you out as fast as possible.

If your wage + tip is less than minimum wage for the number of hours you worked, your employer has to make up the difference. It's literally federal law.

See
Kitchen work is the hardest job there is

Ya. Key word being plus tips. Are you fucking retarded?

I have an ongoing policy that if anyone ever brings up Stirner in an actual argument with me, I'll kill them. It might be poison or a knife or a bullet but I will kill any human being who mentions that living meme to me face to face.

No I- they're not.

No, they fire you if you're shit
getting less than minimum wage in tips means invariably you are a terrible server. If you're making minimum wage in a server job, the inclination is to quit and get a better job. The only reason people stick around is because the pay is steady and good. Take away that and everyone leaves.

ironically most asian servers are part of the family that owns the restaurant, are the owners themselves, or are working under debt bondage so you basically just paid the restaurant more for your food.

The fuck you talking about. Try doing dock installation. Chest deep in freezing water, carrying 30 pound cinder blocks through it, and lifting 100 pound dock pieces from under water for 8 hours and tell me again how low level cooking is hard.

Waiters are the dindus of the food world.