Reminder that Italians were the only people who managed to stay relevant through ALL historical eras while Nordcucks can only say they were 'successful' from 1800s and onwards, a small fraction of historic.
>Antiquity
Etruscan/Roman civilization.
>Early Middle Ages
The prosperous Italian city-states.
>Late Middle Ages
Renaissance.
>Modern times
Lots of important inventions such as the induction motor, radio, telephone, electric battery, electroplating, nuclear energy, helicopter, microship, desktop computers, etc.
That's how the Romans defined themselves. ACTUAL Romans, as a race, and not as a form of citizenship.
Thomas Mitchell
Latins were an ITALIC tribe located in the ITALIAN peninsula. The concept of "Italy" has always existed since ancient times.
Ayden Scott
The patrician families were mostly Greek Euboeans and some Ionics.
Hudson Howard
how can you be so vastly wrong in one sentence?
Adrian Adams
Excuse me, the preferred non-binary, gender neutral terminology is: Latinx
Nathan Robinson
No it hasn't. Italy was a region in what's now Southern Italy and Latins weren't a singular tribe. There were many hundreds. Hence why the Social War, the Latin War, the Latin Rights and Julius Caesars (then later Octavian Caesar's) attempt to unify the Italian peninsula (aka the Latin people) didn't exist.
This is just an insult to my intelligence. I'm very familiar with Roman history and know for a fact you're talking rubbish.
Dominic Gomez
>didn't exist. DID exist* Well, I fucked that up, didn't I? My bad.
Sorry. I'm cis-Celtic scum, I know.
Grayson Nguyen
I once fucked an Italian girl in the ass and got some shit on my dick and it was ORANGE, disgusting
>Roman Italy was created officially by the Roman Emperor Augustus with the Latin name Italia. It was the first time in history that the Italian peninsula (from the Alps to the Ionian Sea) was united under the same name. In the year 292 AD
Kevin Brooks
Reminder that you're not Mediterranean but a Brazilian dindu, DeMarcus.
Sebastian Morales
Yeah, every fucking day this monkey comes with this shit.
Adam Scott
>Caesars (then later Octavian Caesar's) attempt to unify the Italian peninsula (aka the Latin people) didn't exist.
That's what I said. The Latin Rights, the Social War and the Latin war all came before this - by many centuries. Rome controlled vast territories by the end of the Republic.
Jonathan Hill
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Kayden Williams
No it didnt, for being a huge muh heritage fag you know nothing about Roman history. Many Gauls had latin status before other Italic people did living on the peninsula and even Gallic senates were instilled before Senators from Sicily
Noah Flores
Indeed. Julius Caesar made nobility from allied Gallic tribes Senators in Rome after the Gallic Wars were over and many kept their positions well after his assassination.
I'd call OP a moron but his bait has been pretty successful.
Justin Perry
Latins were Italics though, so much alike other Italics from all over the peninsula, from Venetics to Samnites to Sicels(?), they weren't foreign in Iron age Italy, I don't see how you are making a point given that Italy is diverse to this day anyway and "Italians" simply refers to this variation.
Kevin Baker
italians are niggers and nothing less, the sewage spawned from the italian woman spreading her legs for arabs, greeks, germans and berbers
Xavier Jackson
top butthurt, stay mad
Julian Miller
Nigger-brazil who has done nothing except being niggers, is shitposting as usual.
Cooper Hughes
As much as I know these threads are bait, I don't like ancient 'nationalities' being equated to modern nationality and 'Italian' really doesn't do the Romans justice. Understanding Roman history means understanding its early history, as a kingdom and as a republic (but specifically as a fishing village and later a small city state). Calling them 'Italian' really overrides that.
How do you know where the Italic tribes came from in Iron Age Italy? That's still vastly debated. I was discussing this on historum not too long ago.
Noah Jackson
>I don't understand Roman history: the post
Ian Hill
Your cuckold fantasies aren't reality, Nigel. Just admit Nordcucks are garbage compared to Meds already.
Hudson Jackson
"But I must begin with Europe, because it is both varied in form and admirably adapted by nature for the development of excellence in men and governments, and also because it has contributed most of its own store of good things to the other continents; for the whole of it is inhabitable with the exception of a small region that is uninhabited on account of the cold. ... The Romans, too, took over many nations that were naturally savage owing to the regions they inhabited, because those regions were either rocky or without harbours or cold or for some other reason ill-suited to habitation by many, and thus not only brought into communication with each other peoples who had been isolated, but also taught the more savage how to live under forms of government. But all of Europe that is level and has a temperate climate has nature to coöperate with her toward these results; for while in a country that is blessed by nature everything tends to peace, in a disagreeable country everything tends to make men warlike and courageous; and so both kinds of country receive benefits from each other, for the latter helps with arms, the former with products of the soil, with arts, and with character-building." Strabo 2.5.26
Brody Ward
Why hasn't this faggot been banned yet?
Kayden Rivera
as long as we understand "Italian" as simply having a geographic and ethnic meaning i.e ethnically from the Italian peninsula, there shouldn't be confusion
of course Latin is a strict subset of Italic, not all Italics were strictly Latin, just like Scots is a strict subset of Brits and not all Brits are Scots
I assume all Italics most likely came from the north-east in various waves, from villanovan related ones to Italic proper waves. The similarity in their tongues points to some similarity in ethnicity as well. Of course it's still not clear where exactly did they came from.
But in any case, we are talking "Italics" not necessarily as the invaders but as the populations that resulted from the intermixing with the locals.
I'm going to dinner now, I'll reply later if the thread is still alive.
Lincoln Lee
>mediterraneans are the master race >t. brazil
William Cruz
This
Nicholas Howard
brazilians are basically white looking niggers?
Landon Watson
No, I completely agree with you on that first sentence. But that clearly isn't what OP means. He's simply using Italian and "Nordic" in a modern sense.
As for who or where Italic tribes came from, nobody knows but it's out of doubt that during the imperial period the great majority of Roman population (in the sense of the whole imperial population) was not made by Latins or anyway population from central Italy. It's quite obvious.
And one of the reasons this is such a complex issue is that "Roman" was a nationality or a grant of citizenship on paper. There were a race of Romans which ruled over Rome well into the mid-to-late Prinicipate, but there were Northern African provinces that had been Roman territory since the Punic Wars whose people were considered 'Roman' and many would be even ethnically due to migrations and centuries of Romanisation, but equally as many (and probably more) would not be.
Parker Lee
>implying the country I'm from is relevant to this
Keep up with the ad-hominem, Nordcucks.
Oliver Ortiz
>Modern times
Here Italy is considered an irrelevant place that is lazy, backwards and lets all the brown people through.
Isaiah Diaz
>fucking nordcucks >t. brazil
Austin Gray
>it's another latin american thinking he's real latin and therefore a med
Mason Long
Let me guess. London? I personally love Italy. Tuscany is one of my favourite places in the world.
Logan Ramirez
>tfw nordcuck pattern facial hair
Brody Turner
THESE THREADS ARE A JEW PLOT TO DIVIDE THE WHITE RACE
IGNORE THEM AND MOVE ON
THESE THREADS ARE A JEW PLOT TO DIVIDE THE WHITE RACE
IGNORE THEM AND MOVE ON
THESE THREADS ARE A JEW PLOT TO DIVIDE THE WHITE RACE
IGNORE THEM AND MOVE ON
Benjamin Mitchell
Nope, if i was from London i'd just call them my brothers. :^)
David Ortiz
If I say I'm of unmixed European ancestry you won't believe me anyway. All you're doing is trying to avoid the argument and namecalling.
Aaron Peterson
that nice pic of yours is cherrypicking manifest, my dear ape
Aiden Peterson
Are Mediterraneans historically superior to Nordics? Let's find out!
The Nordic race can be clearly defined by its blond hair and blue eyes. The Mediterraneans, however, have a much broader range of features. The root of the Mediterranean supremacy claim are Ancient Greece and the Roman empire. However, the success of these societies was very much because of circumstance, not race. The Roman Empire cannot even be clearly defined as a Mediterranean achievement, since it was comprised of an enormous mixture of peoples "integrated" into "Roman" culture, and their technology and wars were largely based on knowledge from non-Mediterranean sources.
Despite the Roman Empires circumstantial success, their values were always inferior to Nordic values. Their entire culture was just degeneracy, which eventually led to their downfall, whereas Nordics strong pagan values remained despite Christianity's best efforts, and because of these, northern Europe ended up being superior to the Mediterraneans. To adopt such values into your life, I suggest you stop watching porn.
Fernando Martinez is a meme based on the 'Romantic' stereotype of the Latin nations.
Hudson Clark
We hate Romans now? I don't get it.
Elijah Reed
Q: does Nordic specifically mean Scandinavia or does it mean Northern Europe? Because if you mean Northern Europe why are you even posting this joke of a thread?
Matthew Williams
This is complete rubbish. The whole "muh degeneracy" myth in regards to Rome comes from the historian Edward Gibbon who was discredited over a century ago now. You have no excuse for believing this at all. You speak of "Pagan values," as if these were in any way complicit with our current values, or viewed in any way as righteous. For the record though, Rome had established laws on human sacrifice dating from the Second Punic War & as far as we know, though our knowledge of Roman civilisation is largely unknown prior to 400BC due to the first Sack of Rome, it was never practiced in Rome.
"Degeneracy" DIDN'T lead to Rome's down fall. Rome had fell into a system of having multiple leaders (Two Augustus' and Two Caesars) with no defined boundaries, each with their own heir and each answered to seperate Senates (East and West) since Diocletian established the Dominate. Currency inflation had been an issue since the Crisis of the Third Century, civil war and plagues ruptured several Eastern provinces (including Armenia which were known as being vehemently anti-Roman), the Edict of Caracalla is sometimes contributed to the Fall of Rome since it offered citizenship to every otherwise freeman living in the boundaries of the Empire, and although I'm not sure I subscribe to this theory, this undoubtedly contributed to the Crisis of the Third Century which did lead to the Fall of Rome.
Rome fell because arguments are complete rubbish and your lack of knowledge on Roman history was in evident when you used the words "Roman Empire" to describe all of Rome.
Those pictures were retrieved from modern day Tunisia. 'Roman' was a grant of citizenship, as stated several times in this thread. They certainly did define western civilization, if we credit Hellenic culture with its creation though.
Brayden Martinez
Sage divide and conquer threads
Colton Moore
Scandinavia/Germany. Germans and Scandicucks were still very backwards before the Age of Enlightenment.
Landon Lewis
STOP THIS FUCKING THREADS. We don't give a fuck which is the master race, only faggots with inferiority complex. So shut up, niggers are the problem, not the europeans. (Europeans niggers like Renzi and Merkel included).
Isaiah Lopez
Slavs, Anglos, Mediterraneans and Nords are all pathetic.
Who /Celt/ here?
Andrew Martinez
Italians are Mongrels >Italians are Mongrels Italians are Mongrels
Italians are not White
Cooper Hill
>Those pictures were retrieved from modern day Tunisia.
Top kek. One was discovered in Northern Italy (it was Etruscan art) and the others are from Pompeii. You're a retard for not knowing that.
This fresco is one of the most well known and the fact that you thought it was from Tunisia is laughable. I'd call you a troll but that's one massive wall of text. You seem very passionate.
Ian Wilson
Fuck off kike.
Luis Parker
You're right. The top one is Etruscan, and that's Terentius Nea (spelling) who are thought to be Samnites or other Italic tribes. I was thinking of the ones at the Carthage National Museum like pic related. I don't know where the bottom one is.
But do you dispute the fact that essentially every political theory we've ever built has been added on from what the Romans left us? I mean, you're American. Your system (a Republic) is literally Roman.
Sebastian Harris
fucking nice work man. I think I was the britbonganon that asked you for a Celt a while back
Jason Green
Reminder that modern Italians aren't even close to being original Romans.
Mason James
>"subflavum" means any fair hair color, not blonde >Pliny XI ends at chapter 119, no such reference >John Malalas is not considered a historically credible source by anyone and I can't even find anything about him referencing the Roman Emperors in any way >rest of the 'sources' come from a literal nazi who lived in the Third Reich
It's time to stop with the WE WUZ, snowniggers. It's getting embarrassing.
Nathaniel Cox
Italian pride world wide
Logan Walker
>historically illiterate I took studies in Late Republican-Early Prinicipate studies and worked under an exhibitions officer when my job was history related you fucking moron. I've actually visited these museums, and thought they were the ones that were in the National Carthage museum. Google them, some are online.
Nicholas Howard
What Nordicks actually believe.
Robert Phillips
>How can Nordcucks even compete?
By having some of the most successful societies on Earth at this very moment, you monkey.
Now, go google "beautiful woman" and come back and tell me how many spics and niggers you see.
Tyler Bell
>if I spam this picture enough times it'll get rid of the fact that the Nords are right
Brandon Turner
>words
That doesn't invalidate my point. How in the fuck can you claim all of this without once visiting the ruins of Pompeii? How have you not seen that fresco (one of the most well preserved)?
David Myers
Ah, cool. Glad you like it.
Camden Garcia
Nordic women are stuck up sluts and cunts
i'd take a Portuguese qt any day
Eli Long
>we have some success in the modern age, that means you can ignore the rest of history where we've been irrelevant niggers living in a frozen tundra
Sorry, but that's not how it works. You need to see the whole picture.
Xavier Diaz
if you like women with moustache, go ahead,.
Camden Gray
>American - too dominating
BASED
Jace Adams
I've never been to Pompeii. I've been to the museum where the bottom one is but haven't seen it before besides maybe online (Museum di Capodimonte). I know of the Samnite with his wife, I didn't know they were from Pompeii. I thought they were the collection found from Northern Africa.
Robert Anderson
Don't be bitter, Manolo.
Christopher Powell
cute
Carson Phillips
A Jew?
Anthony Hughes
>I thought they were Just Terentius Nea and his wife rather. I knew the top one is Etruscan because Etruscan art is easy to differentiate.
Ryder Flores
i wasn not kidding.
Owen Gutierrez
just google "portugesas"
James Harris
yfw you know blondes have no history and are nigger tier.
Benjamin Carter
>Brazilian >Calling anyone a nigger
Dylan Roberts
t. francisco silva santos oliveria ( 1/8th venetian italian)
Josiah Rogers
What is climate based progress? What is slaves? brainlet
Cooper Thompson
>tfw you know modern Italians are nothing like ancient Romans
Alexander Wilson
Why do people reply to monkey bait? You fuckers are actually dumber than the delusional apes from my country.
Levi Nelson
WE WAZ KANGS AND SHIEET!
Adam Rodriguez
What is that recolored vase supposed to prove?
Easton Hernandez
>implying you aren't a monkey yourself
Benjamin Allen
another quality brazilian thread
Zachary Taylor
You don't know shit.
WE WUZ ARYAN ROMANZ
Luke Thompson
This debate about the ethnicity of ancient Italic peoples is retarded because you can simply google these tribes. The person you posted looks Celtic and one or two of these tribes have been hypothesized to have been Celtic peoples before they were integrated into Rome.
Jayden Gonzalez
We discussed this further up. The discussion you quoted was in regards to where frescoes were found, not the origin of Italic people.
I already posted this at the beginning of the thread, but where Italic tribes (and particularly the Romans) came from is all theories. It's pretty well established that nobody knows where they came from.
Jose Reyes
>The discussion you quoted was in regards to where frescoes were found, not the origin of Italic people.
It would make sense that the frescoes of middle - upper class people in a certain area would be representative of what the average Italic person looked like. The Tunisia comment was retarded and misinformed--it seemed like you were trying to claim Italic peoples didn't look swarthy when it is quite obvious many of them did (not all, but they were obviously darker on average than the Nordic/Germanic peoples).
Hunter Kelly
Looks like a woman with bleached hair to me, but let snowniggers keep with their WE WUZ fantasies.
They came from the Indo-European migrations. Where else?
