When the DSM was published there were 14 mental disorders and now there are 250 and counting.
So, Sup Forums, do you believe that mental disorders and illnesses are not real? And do you believe that the DSM is fictional?
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You're talking about weight. I'm talking about mental health.
Mental illness is demons, only god can help
Big pharma is a drug enterprise that capitalizes on the weakness of heathens
And you can believe that all you want. But the DSM is just as fictional as The Holy Bible.
Any small deviance gets labeled with a new name. Also its probably true that there are some made up ones so the companies can sell you shit you dont need.
This is literally what Scientology teaches.
Dont do Scientology m'kay.
Come on, Norway. You don't think that the American Psychological Association has some agenda? How many people in your country have been diagnosed as mentally ill? It's likely that hardly any have been.
poor example
Keep calling the bible fiction, most of the stuff you failed to remember is happening before our very eyes
The blind lead the blind into a ditch
So you're saying that Scientology and Psychology are similar?
50% of people claiming to have some form of mental illness today are tumblrinas and liberals triggered by things such as being told they're fat, nobody loving them for how autistic they are, and the upcoming Trump administration.
Of the other 50%, 48% are tweens and teens "self diagnosing" random mental problems to themselves and their friends to find a blame for being a social outcast or not achieving anything but straight Cs in middle school.
Elron Hubbard (or however he's written) hated Psychologists because they rejected his """"theories"""". He made his own psychology, with brainwashing and hookers (who are also brainwashed).
They thought Jesus was white, they wear him around their necks and hang him on their walls even though crucifixion at the time was the most degrading, embarrassing, and demoralizing ways to be killed. So how isn't it, in a way, fictional?
Also, how the hell can you justify a GIGANTIC increase in the number of mental disorders since 1952 when the first DSM came out?
I'm not even fucking talking about that. I'm talking about the big business between the psychiatrists prescribing the medications and the pharmaceutical companies that are developing these new psychopharmaceuticals.
Apparently, you're autistic, son.
It's almost all from being more specific in the diagnosis. All these disorders were lumped into very general terms.
''Depression'' is now 'Seasonal affective disorder', 'Major Depressive Disorder', Chronic depression, atypical depression, melancholic depression, among others.
That's it.
I'm a pharmacist, btw.
I do agree that mental disorders are WAAAYYYYYYY over diagnosed, and especially for women. Women are over 60% more likely than men to be on psych meds, and I've read studies that the MAJORITY of these can be attributed to hormonal shifts.
But psychologists hate psychiatrists and vice versa...
David Miscavige came to me in a dream last night and told me Bosnia is a shit country
Psychiatry is more or less just applied psychology.
> Is it a myth
I thought so, but it really is not. There are somatic symptoms of mental health problems, not just simple headaches or delusions.
There are people who have trouble breathing, who get chest pains, chills, insomnia, all sorts of physical symptoms which are caused by mental health issues.
And, very often, the people who have mental health issues are not stupid simpletons, but intelligent people who inherited their proneness to stress from their parents.
You can't blame an individual for their parents' choice to have kids and pass down particular problematic temperaments.
Also, society leads to mental health issues to a great degree. That's why most people with these problems are likely to live in highly populated areas.
Apparently, there's a new disorder for little bastard children that have temper tantrums: Disruptive Mood Disregulation Disorder.
A FUCKING GYPSY
The problem is trying to classify situational individual problems like they are a disease
Fugg off Chang Sanches del Tyrone
Not really, psychiatry is a branch of medicine, it deals with mental health issues from a chemical point of view.
You really believe that genetics are to blame for people having mood swings? Are you fucking kidding me? Come on. It's been proven that just because a family member has diabetes, it does not mean that a son or daughter will have the same genetic susceptibility
The problem with this belief is that when mentally ill subscribe to it, and believe in God as hard as they can because they desperately want to get better... and then they don't... this causes a problem.
I feel like that should offend me but I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Also, you know, psychiatrists recommend you to do therapy so you get off pills.
If you manage to solve your issues only by doing therapy and fixing shit in your life, a psychiatrist can't do shit about it.
>branch of medicine that deals with mental health issues from a chemical standpoint
No it basically deals with knowing what the difference between Clonazepam and Lorazepam is and how much money they're going to charge per session.
it is true that there are genuine mental illnesses such a psychosis and schizophrenia, but most of these 'mental illness' sufferers are simply just being exploited to sell hard, expensive meds to.
Depression and PTSD are the main culprits in terms of phoney diagnoses.
Genetics surely play a significant part. There's no silver bullet causation, it's a mix of causes, which include someone's genetic inheritance, their childhood development, their social integration, their family coping styles which influence their kids's coping, etc etc.
In many mental health institutions in the US, if you request CBT or psychotherapy, they will indeed shoot you up with medication instead. And it's legal.
60 %.
Immigrants.
You're soon gonna be a nation run by a ruthless East Asian intellectual elite, populated by a Latino working class with a Black scum class to keep the Latinos in check.
Meanwhile we will still be the same old shithole.
Well, go to medical school then and become a doctor, then specialise in psychiatry, if it's that simple.
Nobody's stopping you.
The number of people with mental health issues is expected to grow in the next decades. So there will be plenty of clients for you.
Ugh. Dude, there are a LOT of kids out there on HARD anti-psychotics and bipolar meds. Like the stuff that Charles Manson is probably on. Bothers the fuck out of me when I have to dispense it.
Also, there are indeed some shit that is made up, such as all the transgender shit. Its just another form of schizophrenia that manifests that way.
Well many mental health issues are solvable by doing therapy. It depends on the nature and gravity of it.
Mental retardation that is genetically based can't be cured by therapy, obviously, but mild depression and anxiety have a high chance to be solved without pills, by doing therapy and making changes in your life.
>psychosis
A common disorder in which a person loses touch with reality. Also known as psychotic disorder.
So 200k people a year in the US become psychotic? Yeah sure.
>schizophrenia
You really and honestly think people hear voices? Is this a fucking joke? Apparently you've never heard of the Thud Experiment.
The transgender shit is political. Scientists have been saying for years there are no basis for considering a genetic male to be mentally female, only if they are homosexual or auto-gynephilic (ie, in love with the idea of themselves being females, but not interested in the opposite sex).
>Bothers the fuck out of me when I have to dispense it.
life as a shill is hard
Psychosis can cause hallucinations
It's less hard when they pay me 68 bucks an hour to do it
(((Psychology))) is a tool used to control the range of acceptable behavior.
Like I would ever become one of those self-indulgent bastards that get off on giving their patients downers.
It pisses me off that there are no biological tests to even make sure that ANY of these "disorders" actually exist. With cancer, you can get biopsies. With diabetes, you can get checked for that. Practically EVERYTHING else, there is a test for it. Bipolar disorder? Nah, just a short visit with a psychiatrist about how you're feeling and out comes a patient with three different mood stabilizers and a person that was once 150 pounds is pushing 275 in about 3-5 years.
>gypsy thinks he knows medicine
>transgender shit is political
I don't think that at all. I think it stems back to when homosexuality was taken out of the DSM by guess who? Homosexual psychiatrists under the pressure of the APA.
“The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while nature cures the disease.” -Voltaire
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here's a free redpill
relevance: this is basically happening in Western countries now
This, so many responses to what's often perhaps a stressful or unusual event is written off as a mental illness so quickly to sell more snake oil, get people on drugs, and convince people they can't be independent, but need to rely on everything and everyone else for their well being. The pharmaceutical and healthcare industry is trash, we shouldn't support it without the whole thing being taken over and made public or state owned for the benefit of the masses
Well I studied neuroscience for a few years, so I had to study some psychology, at least to be able to understand personality and temperamental development.
And obviously, I had to familiarise myself with lots of fmri and genetic linkage studies to have a concept about causation.
Exactly. How many people would you predict are on SSDI in the US for "mental illnesses"
Millions. And they're all getting benefits to sit around and do jack shit all day because why? A doctor said they can.
Mental illness is real, but it's allowed to propagate so people will buy drugs instead of actual treatment.
Shit like social anxiety is never going away with medicine. It will only go away with repeated exposure to the anxiety producing situations over and over.
>studied neuroscience as well as tarot cards
Shut the fuck up, gypsy.
>social anxiety
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Sister is schitzo. Been talking to people that don't exist and whole world pretty much since she was old enough to start talking and walking. Her imaginary friends was obviously beyond typical kids and they never really left.
She never matured pass what I think we can all agree is a pre-teen - teen mentality but on steroids as "normal" teens are aware of their irrational ideology, reality, and unwarranted entitlements . Sister is completely oblivious. Never had a job as two minutes in anyone can tell she isn't right and cannot function outside of her head. It's the most severe Introversion with the most unhealthy, grandiose need to be extroverted and it is never pretty.
Witness this first hand all my life as I was 8 yrs old when she was born , I'm 36 today actually.
She has seen psychologist and psychiatrists for 20 years, nothing helped but drugs. I hate pharma, but I'm also a realist and my emotion doesn't drive my agenda /ideology thus I will tell you Abilify is life saver for some people and not bs.
I cannot speak for the placebo effect , I almost 100% doubt it, but it's a better argument than "doesn't help anybody" from the anti-pharma mental illness drug group.
>when you fap to hard
Stay butthurt, son.
Mental illness just refers to pretty much any negative emotions or stupid thoughts. It's fucked up because there's corporations and government agencies that are the authorities on how to feel and think, and they hand out drugs to people who feel and think what they deem to be invalid ways. Admittedly the people are typically asking for it and basically are drug addicts.
>thinks they give steroids to those that have schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder.
Ha. Hahahaha.
>Mental illness is demons, only god can help
I mean you're right, but you're also pretentious.
Do people deny ADD is real too? I have it and it's VERY real. Though it probably is way over-diagnosed in children.
You defend it very strongly because you're an idiot that knows nothing about what you're talking about. Show me a medical test that proves that someone has a mental illness. You can't. And even psychiatrists will admit that.
They admit they cannot cure their patients. Yet insurance pays out, in the U.S. alone, $69 billion in mental health costs annually.
No you really fucking don't have ADD.
>being this new
>MFW some normie doesn't understand diagnostic procedure.
Name me a schizophrenia medication then, Finland. Go on.
>Mfw the entire diagnostic procedure contains a short and sweet little visit with a pill pushing psychiatrist who labels a patient like a piece of meat.
Is there some personal vendetta you're not telling us about, OP?
It lasts varying time, and some are quite mild cases, some also fakes.
Not all schizos hear voices.
Zyprexa? Anyway, that's not the point, the point is "on steroids" is a figure of speech 'round here. Welcome to Sup Forums.
Checked but still nothing brought to the table.
Maybe in your weird ass fucking country, but here we call them antipsychotics.
What am I supposed to "bring to the table"
Anti-psychotics are not steroids, there are anti-tremor meds sometimes prescribed (which I guess is a steroid) but those are less common.
First off, why did you reply to someone who wasn't even talking to you? Secondly, what business is it of yours that you should know my shit?
I feel that many millions of Americans are being spoonfed this bullshit by doctors and psychiatrists when nothing is truly wrong with them. But since 99.999% of Sup Forums is fucking retarded, I guess you wouldn't understand
Like this idiot. Completely fucking stupid. Prime example.
Been depressed for 20 fucking years and want to kill myself every second I'm awake. I'm only happy when I'm asleep and it's so short. Alcohol or stress will likely take me soon enough. So I'm going to have to say no it's not a myth. The pharma companies should probably be holocausted though.
You feel that way BECAUSE of the fucking drug companies, you dependent dumbass.
Not the same Finngolian, but at least Risperidon is used here.
This is an anonymous message board,I don't need an invite. If there's nothing wrong with people why are they seeking medical help in the first place?
Americans trying to justify their spendings on health. B-but socialism
>muh psychiatrist
Get a grip burgers.
Because they do what they're told.
>Show me a medical test that proves that someone has a mental illness
The patient comes to the office showing these symptoms: chest pains (or high pulse - tachycardia), difficulty breathing, trouble sleeping, light-headedness, panic attacks, etc.
We send the patient first to have their EKG done so we can see if the chest pains are cause by heart problems. If the answer is negative, we check if they may have some form of pneumonia. If that is also negative, we check if it could be simply caused by intercostal neuralgia. If the answer is still negative, we might ask the patient to do an XRay to make sure there are no other physical causes.
If neither of these check, then we consider the possibility it's a symptom of anxiety. If the patient also reports shortness of breath, panic attacks, sleeping problems, it's very likely that these somatic markers indicate a case of general anxiety disorder.
There you go, physical tests that can recognise a mental health issue based on somatic/physical symptoms.
I could continue, for example, with a neurodegenerative disorder like Parkinson's, that has psychological symptoms too. Brainscans can show if white matter has receded, the patient shows motor impairment as well as verbal impairment. His face is mostly expressionless. All physical signs of Parkinson's which can be diagnosed using both medical scans and behavioural questionaires.
I'm depressed because my dad's side of the family have shit genetics that predispose me to it along with substance abuse issues. I'm surprised I never really went full junkie and have managed to only slowly drink myself to death.
Clearly missed the EN TI RE fucking point of this thread.
A FUCKING BONG
But who's the catalyst? I'm not being subliminally messaged am i!
>Send a person for an EKG
HAHA BITCH WHERE?
Oh my fucking God this is comedy gold. And an xray? Holy fucking shit, this is priceless. THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN NEUROSCIENCE, GYPSY.
Even though I was depressed before getting into meds and they don't work anyway so I don't even take them. But keep assuming things about people.
Wrong. You're depressed because they tell you that you're depressed and you believe it and go along with the narrative driven by your doctors.
Of course you are. Why do you think they claim that a majority of great musicians had "mental illness"?
Depressed due to what? Just being a mindless sheep?
Oh this is a slide thread. Fuck me for not realizing OP is a kike.
Not even close to ever being a Shekel grabbing kike
you can be AGP and into guys
the hormones made me and many others gay (into guys)
Well neuroscience is an interdisciplinary field, it's not a branch of medicine, retard. So, neuroscience research is meant to provide data and insight into both neurological and psychological issues.
I detailed a method of gradually excluding other disorders by doing medical tests. But, as I said, mental health issues can very often have physical symptoms, which the patient reports.
It's the same with having the flu. If you go to the doctor (or physician) they don't really always guess you're having the flu if you don't tell them. Because flu symtoms are not always visible. You may have throat pain. What the fuck do you think your doctor does, is he gonna scan your throat, you retard?
No, he's gonna take your report of throat pain as genuine.
So what your saying is a low mood, disinterest in activity and apathy=???
Nobody claims this; most of them are fine
>It's less hard when they pay me 68 bucks an hour to do it
you are low rent but congrats I bet you feel like schlubdog millionaire
Neuroscience /=/ psychology /=/ psychiatry
Know your role, moron.
I have spent some time observing patients in a mental hospital, and I would estimate, that 20% or less were actually crazy/psychotic at the time, 40% little weird and stressed out, and the rest were almost normal.
What I noticed was, that there are really crazy young men, but the girls are faking edgy retards, and older women are more rare, since they have dropped the act.
The really mad-ones did not do what told, but wus brought forcedly.
90% of mental illness cases are just personality clashes with the modern world. I've been a paranoid wreck my entire life (not schizophrenia, just generalized paranoia). I doubt I'd be depressed if I lived in an era where I could just keep to my own.
Admit you got rekt and you have no actual arguments.
I've just explained neuroscience is an interdisciplinary field, but you seem to have trouble understanding/following simple arguments.
Low IQ can't be raised much by education, you know, there's some genetic component too. ^^
A low mood and disinterest in activity and apathy is a part of depression, but just because you feel sad, does that mean you're depressed? Not entirely. No.
>No one claims this.
So Michael Jackson didn't have a mental disorder? Or George Michael? Or Prince?
Mental illness is obviously real but the DSM is bullshit.
>Fags
>not mentally I'll
Pick ONE.
The moment they started acting like homosexuality is normal human psychological behavior they lost all credibility.
Who gives a shit? No one here is qualified to discuss this.