Thread for discussion of Italian Fascism, and other forms of fascism, Mosley, Codreanu, Falange, etc. Also for sharing fascist literature and information.
A Fascist general for Fascists and those interested
Be respectful and please try to keep conversations relatively "intellectual"
Good fascists/similar or influential people to get an introduction
Oswald Mosely Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera Benito Mussolini Adolf Hitler Stepan Bandera Corneliu Zelea Codreanu Salazar Ramiro Ledesma Ramos Ettore Ovazza Gaetano Mosca Friedrich Nietzsche Charles Maurras Enrico Corradini Filippo Tommaso Marinetti Johann Plenge Alceste De Ambris Gabriele d'Annunzio Juan Perón Giovanni Gentile
Types of Fascism
Italian Falangism National-Syndicalism British Union National-Socialism Strasserism Meme futurism Clerical Fascism Brazilian Integralism Peronism
"[Fascism] was an explosion against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world failed to remedy. It was a movement to secure national renaissance by people who felt themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death and were determined to live, and live greatly."~Oswald Mosely
>philosophic conception Fascism is thought and action. It is action with an inherent doctrine which, arising out of a given system of historic forces, is inserted in it and works on it from within. It has therefore a form co-related to the contingencies of time and place; but it has at the same time an ideal content which elevates it into a formula of truth in the higher region of the history of thought.
Jayden Reed
>spiritual conception To Fascism the world is not this material world which appears on the surface, in which man is an individual separated from all other men, standing by himself and subject to a natural law which instinctively impels him to lead a life of momentary and egoistic pleasure. In Fascism man is an individual who is the nation and the country. He is this by a moral law which embraces and binds together individuals and generations in an established tradition and mission, a moral law which suppresses the instinct to lead a life confined to a brief cycle of pleasure in order, instead, to replace it within the orbit of duty in a superior conception of life, free from the limits of time and space a life in which the individual by self-abnegation and by the sacrifice of his particular interests, even by death, realises the entirely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.
Matthew Johnson
>ethical conception This positive conception of life is evidently an ethical conception. And it comprises the whole reality as well as the human activity which domineers it. No action is to be removed from the moral sense; nothing is to be in the world that is divested of the importance which belongs to it in respect of moral aims. Life, therefore, as the Fascist conceives it, is serious, austere, religious; entirely balanced in a world sustained by the moral and responsible forces of the spirit. The Fascist disdains the "easy" life.
Samuel Gomez
>religious conception Fascism is a religious conception in which man is considered to be in the powerful grip of a superior law, with an objective will which transcends the particular individual and elevates him into a fully conscious member of a spiritual society. Anyone who has stopped short at the mere consideration of opportunism in the religious policy of the Fascist Regime, has failed to understand that Fascism, besides being a system of government, is also a system of thought.
Isaiah Foster
Anyone with questions, feel free to ask them.
Camden Nelson
Why are you such a disgusting human bean? All fascists need to die
Noah Baker
>human bean >bean Also
Isaiah Cruz
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Jose Foster
Hi, what do you think of the clutred thug and marshal ironside channels on youtube. Thanks
Cameron Clark
Fascism is not inherently anti semetic whatsoever, it can be implemented but it is not mandatory.
Julian Murphy
Fuck off you stupid cunt, we beat you before and we'll do it again
Joseph Rivera
I had never heard of either of them but from taking a quick skim through their videos right now they seem based, will definitely start watching now.
Hunter Perry
Why are you namefagging? Stop.
Hudson Carter
Certainly live in an absolutely great world don't we now? Have fun with your chink invasion
Joshua Russell
Great enjoy. I hsve giovanni gentiles book on thr dovtrine. It reallh goes into your soul and the metaphysical aspects of fascism
William Gomez
Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, the most chauvinistic, the most imperialistic elements of the financial capital... Fascism is neither the government beyond classes nor the government of the petty bourgeois or the lumpen-proletariat over the financial capital. Fascism is the government of the financial capital itself. It is an organized massacre of the working class and the revolutionary slice of peasantry and intelligentsia. Fascism in its foreign policy is the most brutal kind of chauvinism, which cultivates zoological hatred against other peoples.
Jason Jackson
Utterly and eternally wrong.
Hudson Barnes
I'm on the right side of history, we need to be peaceful and tolerant so fuck off and die you mongrel fascist
Ian Lee
>Fascism solves the problem of unemployment and poverty by establishing the Corporate State, which will be divided into National corporations governed by representatives of employers, workers and consumers, operating under Fascist government. The State will not attempt to conduct industry as it would under Socialism, instead, the State will lay down the limits within which industry' may operate, and those limits will be the national welfare. Private ownership will be permitted and encouraged, provided such activity enriches the nation as well as the individual. All interests that operate against the nation will be rigorously suppressed. The function of the Corporations will be to raise wages and salaries over the whole field of industry as science, rationalization and industrial technique increase the power to produce. Consumption will be adjusted to production and a Home Market will be provided by the higher purchasing power of our own people.
Jesus where did you get educated? Fascism is isolationist, and cultivates hatred? Fascism in Italy had no racial laws, only anti semetic laws that were implemented in 1938 because of pressure from hitler. Preservation of one's culture or race is not the same at all as wanting to destroy another's, fascism and national socialism greatly encourage every race to uphold and preserve their culture.
Noah Walker
>peaceful and tolerant Shit, its your first day on here isnt it?
David Wright
I've been on here since 2015 you fucking idiot
Eli Baker
bash de fash
Adam Watson
You sure sound like a lefty, let me explain something to you. This whole "tolerance and muh acceptance" attitude that has infiltrated society in the past decade has been the worst thing ever. Society is now at an utter point of decay and stagnation, one degeneracy becomes acceptable and so does the next. Where will you draw the line user? Will it take the legalization of a 35 year old man having sex with your 9 year old daughter or son? Because that is the road we are headed on
Nolan Reyes
>>>/leftypol/
Blake Fisher
If my nine year old daughter wanted to be with a 35 year old man i would respect that just how i would respect her decision to transition if she wanted. You call it degeneracy but you're stuck in an ancient mindset you fucking kook, you think women should stay in the kitchen and that people should stick to their own races
Parker Watson
Sure, that sounds good in theory, but in practice, it always turns into an extreme right wing dictatorship. >fascism and national socialism greatly encourage every race to uphold and preserve their culture. Nazis did really great work trying to "encourage every race to uphold and preserve their culture", didnt they?
Liam Turner
Do you realize how disgusting that is? What the fuck is literally wrong with you? I have no sympathy for pedophilia, you say I'm stuck with this ancient mindset but look at you? You're literally accepting of something that was common in the medieval and dark ages, how am I the one with this? And really why are you on this board, you must despise everything you see.
Brandon Collins
>BASH >THE >FASH
Kevin Johnson
Heil Victory!
Xavier Baker
No.. Fascism in practice has always been center right economically, its hard to place on the compass. And yes? You can't count enemies of war
Andrew Cruz
Do you realize how disgusting that is? What the fuck is literally wrong with you? I have no sympathy for Fascists, you say I'm stuck with this ridiculous mindset but look at you? You're literally accepting of something that was common in Nazi Germany.
Can you see where you're wrong cunt?
Nicholas Robinson
And yet again >>>/leftypol/
Adam Moore
>wake up >Still no Greater Britain.
Ayden Wright
Economically, how would a Fascist state prosper? What system would it develop? Would it be more of a free market economy or would there be some state control overall i.e. state capitalism or just control over key sectors of an economy such as arms manufacturing and food production?
Kayden Morris
This is such a dumb argument >I see nothing wrong with pedophilia >I'm against that >HURR YOU'RE EXACTLY THE SAME
Luke Morales
>ha I'll just copy everything he said and switch a few words
Nice edit at taking out the "ancient" part, get a better argument fucking sick pedophile.
Landon Allen
Fascist economies are corporatist which isn't exactly 100% state control in any particular sector but nonetheless the state exercises heavy influence across the entire economy.
Christian Nguyen
Fascism uses a corporatist economy, let me give you a long explanation
>>NOW FOR THE LONG EXPLANATION Corporatism can be defined as a system of interest representation in which the constituent units are organized into a limited number of singular, compulsory, noncompetitive, hierarchically ordered and functionally differentiated categories, recognized or licensed (if not created) by the state and granted a deliberate representational monopoly within their respective categories in exchange for observing certain controls on their selection of leaders and articulation of demands and supports. Corporatism places the worker's guild within it while relatively retaining the autonomy of the workers and placing them in collaboration rather than conflict with their bosses. In forcing the workers and the bosses to cooperate and allowing the councils to represent themselves in arbitration via the labor courts, the class struggle is alleviated without the need for general strikes and demonstrations. Furthermore, the place of state becomes one of oversight, deciding for instance which goods are considered harmful to the nation and banning their production.
William Harris
>And yes? You can't count enemies of war Sure buddy, they just accidentally unleashed the most brutal war in history, accidentally killed millions of civilians trying to " "encourage every race to uphold and preserve their culture".
Eli Jackson
The Fascists rounded up everyone who wasn't Blond haired blue eyed and put them into death camps where they worked as slaves, if they were lucky the Nazis would gas them before cooking them
t. Grandson of three Holocaust survivors
Eli Reyes
Refer to this picture Also, hitler had fucking brown hair?
Joshua Nelson
Hitler and his friends were exempt because they made themselves honorary aryans, everyone else was killed either in the ovens or in Russia
Kevin Wright
>civilians Huh, well I don't really consider communist or communist supporters actual people so
Levi Hall
He's obviously trolling.
Nathan Rivera
>so so that totally proves this defenition
Caleb Wood
Thank you for the insightful answer
What are Fascist viewpoints on some key social issues such as >Gun Control Is the ownership of firearms permitted in a Fascist state? >Abortion Does race enter into this as well? As it did in Nazi Germany were abortion was banned for Aryan mothers >Healthcare programs Privately funded? Universally provided? >Same-sex marriage Outlawed? >Immigration Is it limited to those who are ethnically similar to the Fascist state, to those who can integrate or is it a fully open immigration system?
Ian Wood
>every country in europe had at least one battalion in the Wehrmacht or Waffen SS >non Europeans including, Cossacks, Asians, Japanese, russian, Arabian, indian, African, etc
Austin Harris
Communists are the only good people there are, look at Russia, they had a space program and cutting edge technology, then when the capitalists "liberated" them everybody starved
Sebastian Harris
I don't think you understand, communism is responsible for over 100 million deaths. Communism must be stopped at all costs, the complete robbery and demoralization of a person's sense of being, pride, identity, and soul. There is not a more disgusting ideology
The capitalist also had a space program called NASA. While they didn't get all the accomplishments as the USSR's space program, they did manage to put a man on the moon and further space exploration. As for your blaming the people starving in the former Soviet Union due to Capitalism taking hold, I'd like to point you to any number of famines during the reign of Stalin
>Is the ownership of firearms permitted in a Fascist state? Fascist states have historically had different policies on this. But as a rule there's no reason to say a fascist state couldn't have full rights to bare arms provided you're part of an accepted race/culture.
>As it did in Nazi Germany were abortion was banned for Aryan mothers Yes. The penalty for abortion by Aryans was death.
>Privately funded? Universally provided? State funded via taxes.
>Outlawed? Historically yes, but as a rule there's no reason it couldn't theoretically be allowed.
>Is it limited to those who are ethnically similar to the Fascist state, to those who can integrate or is it a fully open immigration system? If I'm not mistaken no fascist state every implemented a full no-foreigners allowed policy, though naturally they had very strict citizenship requirements residential rights are another matter that are largely left to the state's discretion.
Michael Mitchell
Yes firearms are permitted and allowed for civilians in a fascist society. Abortion would be banned, not really for the race part. But more for the part that everyone is important and matters in a fascist society, basic healthcare is universally provided iirc. Same sex marriage would probably not be something publicly accepted or allowed, mostly only to resist the furthering of any other degenarcies. Immigration would be tightly restricted, people from other countries can move into the state but they must prove they will be loyal and a productive member of society.
Charles Adams
The Ukranians were fascist sympathisers so they don't count as people
Joseph Barnes
Why not 100 billion? It is easier to believe in a bigger lie. But the most ridiculous thing is that you blame communism for killing of millions of people (although these facts mostly have no real evidence) but deny the obvious facts of terrifying nazi actrocities. How delusional you are!
Grayson Russell
>everyone is important But that's just not true.
Nolan Clark
Commies invented famines?
Samuel Price
Is it possible to separate Fascism from racism and ethno-nationalism? IE, anybody can be part of us as long as they assimilate into our culture? Like the Romans?
Owen Hughes
M8 if you're referring to germany hitler was elected until 1933. The plans for how the Soviet Union would go about it were started in about 1928, they were suppressing Ukraine because they had nationalism, pride in their country. The communists of course, couldn't have that.
James Turner
Yes, there's a Brazilian version of fascism called integralismo about that very thing.
>Like the Romans? The Romans were far, far more discriminatory than just integrating into Latin culture.
Jason Sullivan
dumbass doesn't even know history, Hitler wasn't even elected in 1933, he didn't win any elections
Robert Martinez
>have no real evidence. Shit, I forgot you're in russia, and can be jailed for denying the crimes the USSR committed. Sorry for that, but Stalin alone is responsible for 50 million deaths. The very big part being holodomor, the forced famine against the Ukrainians and surrounding areas.
Ethan Ramirez
>they were suppressing Ukraine because they had nationalism, pride in their country. Jesus Christ, you know shit about Russian/Soviet history. Stop reading right wing sites and educate yourself.
Benjamin Scott
then bring me them
Isaac Walker
Now this is b8, this is something listed in even fucking Wikipedia, and the same in every classroom textbook I've read.
Leo Wilson
Its listed in something in even as simple as Wikipedia, try seeing if you're allowed to see these articles Unless all of a sudden Wikipedia is a "right wing site"
Bentley Kelly
What is meme futurism and hoe do I sign up?
Caleb Rogers
Hitler didn't win any fair elections, he set fire to the Reichstag and seized power before holding a mock election forcing Hindenburg to make him Chancellor
Brandon Thompson
Well once the fascist society has been established, the state only wants the people to be their best for the state. Without the people there is no state.
Julian Scott
Yeah, but not all people are important. Even after full fascism is implemented there are still going to be leeches and criminals that the state is better off without.
Likewise it's also true that not all people are equally important. This hierarchy is a very important part of fascism and we'd be wise not to downplay it.
Sebastian Richardson
>Wikipedia >Some scholars believe that the famine was planned by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement I can say: I believe your mom is a whore and you're a faggot. Just believeing doesnt make it a truth. >Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials varied greatly; anywhere from 1.8[14] to 12 million[15] they even know nothing about the number of victims seems they just pull these numbers out of their asses
and no evidence it was forced
Liam Gonzalez
Im convince its the name fag proxxying to bump his thread
Luke Moore
Fuck off cunt, don't compare me to the fascist or i'll neck ya
Aiden Reyes
Ah I see you're point now, yes I made it sound like "everyone is equal" Did not at all mean it like that, more like every person can make the state, but not every person is worthy of being apart of it.
Nicholas Hernandez
what's the matter cunt, too afraid to concede to some lefty Jewish Scumbag?
John Rivera
I've stated this many times, and it will probably go ignored once more.
Mr.BlueDivision, i denounce your /FSG/, and i request you stop posting them at once, in hopes you humbly recognize that we could use the space you take up with your poor quality post, and in it's place we can have a high quality discussion, perhaps about something of more substance than your "fascism" """general""".
Where did the concept of "Fascism" originate?
As i'm sure you and i both know, Mussolini.
Now, after Mussolini, there were several politicians who've attempted to make it a thing, and in a way they have forever infamously sealed that term in the annals of history, it living such a short life and all, but i digress.
Where did Mussolini get "Fascism" from? As i'm sure you also know, the term fasces, which was the axe wrapped in a bundle of sticks carried by the romans into war to symbolize their authority and power.
My whole point going through this preface is to say, there is no such thing as fascism, other than a brief description or title of the ephemeral rise of totalitarianism in europe from the 20's up to the 50's.
There is nothing unique to fascism, that distinguishes it from a regular autocratic dictatorship.
It is no viable ideology, not a political movement, it is essentially a bastardazation of ancient rome's government which was founded by a man who longed to restore greatness to the italian peninsula.. And if you can't conceded that Mussolini was essentially an unoriginal hack who attempted to copypasta ancient romes government into modern day society, then you are a true fool, and i do not understand your intent for making these threads. Look at his incorporation of the fasces as the symbol of fascist italy, look at the very foundation of the word, look at his attempted conquests of north africa, and look at the historical artifacts he tried to hide under rome, and the architecture. And the exact same things can be said of Hitlers Germany! Thiefs!
Henry Fisher
Do you enjoy having only the disability to argue at the bottom tier?
Jason Price
there's no such thing as an original idea, fascists, integralists and their types have been around forever
>no evidence it wasn't forced Really? Dekulakization ridded of all the productive farmers, then leaving the regular farmers to scared to even plow their fields in fear of being labeled a kulak. And after that Stalin placed the unreasonably high output quotas they had to reach (which they never did) and what was the consequence for not meeting the quota? Seizing all crops and seed and available food they had, labeling property of the state and if they were even caught with a single grain they'd be accused of "stealing from the state" and thrown in some gulag. And if anyone tried reaching where they stored the grain and crops? Shot only sight. Also the fact russia refused any foreign help from relief and banned the press from publishing anything relating to a famine of theirs. Sure doesn't sound fucking forced
Tyler Sullivan
still better than fascist ableist scum like you
Lincoln Watson
For crying out loud he is baiting you, stop responding
Kevin Nguyen
You've never brought up anything like this before, but I'm sorry I can't stop making them over one person who doesn't want it. Mussolini just aspired to restore the glory of ancient Rome into Italy. As well as the aesthetic, there is nothing wrong with using symbols of old of your nation to inspire nationalism and pride in the country. Especially if these symbols were from a once greater empire. Fascism took influences from many things friend, to say it was not something definitely unique of its time can also be said to be foolish to say. You are right it is not a political movement, it reaches the soul much deeper than that. It is a lifestyle, a religion, a worldview.
Evan Parker
I have, was just seeing where it'd go
Sebastian Phillips
dont let this thread get derailed
Tyler Miller
Not trying to, feel free to keep discussing fascism. Just got a couple arguments going on.
Gavin Anderson
that's right i'm baiting these fascists and I won, your argumentative skills are weak and you need to brush up on your fascist history lol
Consider yourselves pwned, Sup Forums is /leftypol/ now
Jace Nguyen
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Luke Allen
>Dekulakization ridded of all the productive farmers Again, you know nothing. In Russian, the word kulak means fist. And that's not a coincidence. This term for the rmost rich part of the Russian peasantry comes from tsarist times. They tended to act harsly, exploiting poor peasants, giving them loans with enormously high percents knowing that the poor would accept it anyway having no other ways to survive.
But many kulaks refused to be collectivized, they preferred to hide or even destroy their crops and livestock so causing the famine.
Also if you can find a lot of orders of the soviet government and even Stalin regarding providing the food help to famine ridden areas.
Joshua Allen
Disregarding the weak bait attempt, communism is as much a dead ideology as fascism is. Nonetheless, there are many solutions in the far right to today's problems that aren't inherently fascist but gets labeled as such so it's impossible to relable as well cause people think you are trying to bring back The Third Reich.
Benjamin Phillips
No my friend I'm afraid the days of the third reich and Italy can't come back carbon paste. The situation now is far worse than it was then, we need something new, something definitely being a "type" of fascism, but nearly being its own thing.
Also of course they refused to be collectivized, no one wants be a part of that disgusting "everyone is born equal and will stay equal" ideology.
Landon Green
We need something even more radical that's what.
Henry Hill
That picture is just cherrypicking. There was anti-black racism in Germany before and during the Third Reich. Jazz was banned because it was deemed an abomination of Jewish and negroid culture synthesis. Those two Jews on the left were probably kapos and the Arab regiments were on the side of Germany during the war.
Ian Howard
If by no one you mean kulaks and other bourgeoise elements, then you are right.
Also, you ignored they were exploiters maybe in the worst sense of this word. Although I can guess nothing wrong with being an exploiter for you.
Robert Anderson
Then why did Jesse owens claim he never felt more welcome anywhere else than he did in nazi germany? In america he had to face segregation, in Germany he could use the same facilities white people were using. He also had to go under a guise as the german people would swarm him asking for autographs.
Wyatt Hill
I am back my blue friend. How are you? Any things you want to know about Romanian fascists?
Easton Reed
>but as a rule there's no reason it couldn't theoretically be allowed.
>legalising behaviour that undermines the moral fibre of the nation
Are you cooked you alt-lite faggot?
Aaron Howard
You realize the "kulaks" in Ukraine were labeled that because they had tin roofs instead of the common thatched roof? Or they could own a few more cattle than the others? Its like >wow you live in a better piece of shit than the others, guess you have to die now
