Socialism Thread

ITT we talk about the actual problems american faces. I know Sup Forums fucking HATES talking about real issues but here we go.

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>Obesity is one of america's leading causes of death
>Corporations make billions of dollars by quite literally killing americans by selling and marketing pure garbage to the population
>Capitalism is perfectly fine

Corporations also quite literally make millions of dollars off of imprisoning it's population.

>We make up 4% of the world's population
>House 25% of the world's prison population

Studies show that SIXTY EIGHT percent of people who get released from jail return within 5 years.
>That's fucking horrific
>Let's not even talk about the forced labor that goes on in prison

OP is a faggot

Thanks bro

Air pollution kills fucking 6 million people worldwide every year. But it's cool cause trump says it's not real

Did you know in the Iraq war 77% of all casualties were civilians?|

>We "declared war" on a 3rd world country and only 23% of the people we killed even tried fighting back
>That's called slaughter, folks.

No Sup Forums-tard has any counter? Is it because I didn't mention... "Immigration" or "black people"? >Sup Forums is actually this retarded
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Did you know that medical errors are the THIRD HIGHEST CAUSE OF DEATH?
>It now costs over 600% to buy a fucking EpiPen
>Wow, privatised health care is amazing!

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Shit thread

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what will socialism do to fix these issues?

I'd be ok with socialism if the country was culturally homogeneous.

Didn't really expect people to reply because this thread isn't about racism. So I'm just gonna samefag

Bump

Yeah is rather strave than have any to waste

If you notice about every single one of these issues, the reasons why it happens in the first place is because it can be profited from.
>Could the multi-billion fastfood industry somehow be related to the obesity epidemic?
>Could the millions of people addicted to drugs possibly be caused by pharmaceutical companies making billions of dollars off of people buying drugs?
>Could the destruction of our ecosystem possibly be caused by corporations profiting off of selling wood and land?

OP is a faggot, but there is a reason why EU countries want to regulate what is imported from the US. You people are fucking disgusting when it comes to products you eat.

inb4 scandinavian countries is socialist

>>>/leftypol/

>bait thread
>I expect 0 replies

Hmm, that sure does compel me to ponder

The tobacco industry is probably the easiest way to understand why capitalism is quite LITERALLY killing it's own population
>Tobacco kills 480,000 a year
>Millions of people suffer from tobacco-related illnesses
>It offers almost zero benefits at all
It makes money, that's why it's here. The only obligation people have under capitalism is to profit. The health of it's people or enviornment is not a concern.

>import millions of poor people
>complain about wealth inequality
>import millions of poor people
>complain about low wages

Why are leftists so fucking dumb?

but what will socialism do to combat these issues? we can point fingers all we want but if you can't provide solutions no one will offer serious discussion

so what. you should be free to become obese.

if no one bought tobacco there would be no demand for it. despite the risks, people willingly smoke tobacco, therefore there is a demand, thus a market for tobacco. any entrepreneur would seize that opportunity, regardless of political or economic system

nothing wrong with that. we have more prisoners than russia and china because a. they kill people more easily and b. their self reported stats are lies.

air polition isnt the same as global warming/climate change.

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I'm done with this thread, OP would rather spam memes than discuss the issues.

>t. Bernout

yeah because all the innovation and advancements vome from here. our costs ate inflated because we are basically subsidizing the rest of the world. with freedom comes a lot of bullshit and bad decisions but we like freedom here. there is england and the rest of europe if you cant handle being free

Dude, if there wasn't a way to profit off of these things, which is what socialism achieves, There would be no reason to have this shit in the first place. Humans don't just systematically kill and harm their own health for no reason, we act this way because of the system we're in.
>In socialism there is nothing to gain from forcing your population into addiction and imprisoning them

Lefties must die

>suicide is illegal
>unless you do it by eating to death

people know the health risks but choose to smoke. the only thing socialism would change about that is the cigarette co. would be state run

yeah faggot. things have risks. you wanna ban mountain climbing and bunjee jumping too?

enjoy starving faggot

> Income inequality only existed after immigration started in earnest
Fuck off Molymeme

There's everything wrong with that, it's an industry that exists solely to suck up tax dollars and lobby for more and longer prison sentences.

>muh socialism
>waah no ones giving me attention
Thanks for proving all the stereotypes correct.

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>Humans don't just systematically kill and harm their own health for no reason
people have been doing various drugs throughout societies for thousands of years, you honestly think you can shut it all down? the US tried to do that with alcohol with prohibition and it backfired hilariously. no laws or regulations can change the nature of people, regardless of what you may think. you simply create underground markets and making crime rampant unless you exhaust resources tracking down and arresting or killing suspected dealers and addicts, which in turn would imprison or kill a lot of harmless civilians due to possibly having any ties with addicts or dealers despite never engaging in illegal activities

You don't seriously believe that do you?

You can't punish somebody who successfully commits suicide. It shouldn't be illegal anyways, if somebody wants to kill themselves go right ahead.

>thinks socialism brings anything but equal misery

>thinks nordic capitalist welfare states with high taxes are socialist


0/10 bait or genuine berniebot retardation

>Because innovations and advancements don't happen under non-capitalist societies
While I think stalin and mao were pretty fucking bad, Stalin turned russia into plow using retards into a fucking world super power and industrialized the shit out of everything, literally rivaling the USA for a bit.
>With freedom comes with a lot of bullshit
Yeah alright, are you too fucking retarded that that statement contradicts itself?
>How is having the worlds largest prison population with the highest reoffending rate freedom
>We're the 41st on the list for highest media freedom.
Don't pretend we're a "free country", faggot.

on the flip side they also advance corrections and incareceration technology and create tons of jobs and innovations. also we do have a lot of crazy criminals here. anyway im only arguing as the strawman you built despite the fact that private prisons arent what you think they are and that obongo signed a law to get rid of them anyway.

Socialism deals with economy exclusively. We can leave liberalism in the dustbin of history.
Not much. I mean, worker cooperatives are run by the workers, meaning that a lot more people will know what their company does (all who are employed). That would increase the transparency of the companies, but that's not the real solution. The real solution is strict government regulations, but that doesn't necessitate socialism.
(you)

Should have been 100% you libcuck

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There is a difference between a risk and a direct effect. Eating yourself to death isn't like bungee jumping, it's like jumping off a bridge with no bungee.

While I agree no capitalist system wants the workers to be allowed to kill themselves. That's why you punish those who suggest they'll do so or try and fail to do so.

68% of people released from prison return in under 5 years. Advance correction? My ass
>The literally have a financial incentive to make sure they come back.
We have a lot of crazy criminals here?
>Did it even fucking occur to you it's because of the system? People are products of their enviornment.
Oh, so you're in favor of regulating capitalism? I too agree with obongo

russia turned a feudal country into a socialist one and they killed millions of people to do it. wow such an achievement.
the problems in the weat are those of excess and abundance. you are complaining about cigarette smokers and obese people. thats better than starving my g.
who cares how free the mainstream media is when their influence is puttering out? here we have the freedom to not listen.

i dont see whats contradictory about with freedom comes a lot of bullshit.
in america you can become obese but you can also have the access to the best diet in the whole world. olympic athletes come here from other countries for this reason.

not really i know some alive obese people.

People crying for the dissolution of the EPA don't appear to know that. They apparently think rivers that catch fire was just a chinese hoax too.

Most people are morons and should have no say in how a company is run.

Not an argument

ok so go argue against them

>thinks socialism can work in a multicultural state

aww so precious...back to leftypol with you

12 years please go socialism will stop making sense we you become an adult

Terrorists, by definition, are civilians. They are not members of a "regular" military unit.

It's way worse than 20/80 buddy.

>boo hoo people have things I don't have
kys

>Wow cause racism is a valid point? Fucking retard.
20/80 was the best stat I could actually prove. I know it's a fuck-load worse.

>>I'm expecting 0 replies

Then stop posting your own.

>Socialism deals with economy exclusively. We can leave liberalism in the dustbin of history.

While that is true in theory, we both now that's not how it will work.

Socialism lets the government control everything, and when they do that they do not or eventually will not have your best interests in mind. They will portray this as "We know best, this is for you!"

If America was fully socialist right now then we'd have reparations and probably go through with BLM's really crazy list of demands, like giving them "Black States" etc.

tldr

The only system that "works" is capitalism. It doesn't work that well, especially with a lack of religious accountability, but 1% is scientifically better than 0%.

I don't like Super Bowl commercials for HFCS burger and sugar swill soda either. It's best to just live in as rural an area you can and help everyone around you.

>on the flip side they also advance corrections
They don't nij.gov/topics/corrections/recidivism/pages/welcome.aspx
>and incareceration technology
Explain further
>and create tons of jobs and innovations.
Jobs for which they have artificially created demand through legislature lobbying.

Off my board commie

Yeah because that's my argument right?
>480,000+ people dying from tobacco
>300,000+ people dying from obesity
>20+ million people addicted to drugs
>Largest prison population in the world despite making up 4% of world population
I'm just whining because people have things I don't, right?

All of your stats are just about the week willed being killed. You talk about all the fucking obese people dying or just being obese as if it's the fault of McDonald's and not the individuals stuffing their face every day with food we know is shit.

All the people that die of drugs, tobacco, alcohol that's the fault of the people that sell these things not the fault of the individuals that inject drugs into their body till they have no veins, smoke cancers styx till they're coughing blood, and drink a substance until their liver is nonexistence.

1% of the country owns most of the well because guess what they provide services we all want and use I bet you have a phone, Internet, TV etc. they elevated and we reap the benefit, and yes those people are rewarded heavily for their hard work will power and innovation.

Many of your posts are encouraging socialist policies, yet this one takes away from the most significant in recent time.
Make up your mind OP: is socialism the answer or? Perhaps people just need to take responsibility for their actions and decisions, too.

How would your dumbshit system fix any of that, you fucking retard?

we have tons pf technolpgy companies that create products and services for the prison cpmpanies. its not the biggest industry in the US for no reason. I hate this topic because im not a ancap and i can be convinced that the environment and prisons should be the jurisdiction of the state so ill give ground to socialists on these 2 issues but with that said i dont think it would be socialist if a state controlled its prisons.

Yeah except the information for how dangerous smoking is readily available, so just don't fucking smoke cigarettes. But some people are dumb and weak willed so they do it anyways and waste their money on cigarettes. I bet you there's a strong correlation with welfare users and cigarette smokers

> I only smoke because they are provided for me, it's the tobacco company's fault I'm coughing blood and still smoking

68%?
I mean, come on america. Just stop eating at mcdonalds.

>Let criminals out of jail cause freedom.

Nice pic related. You faggots always tip your hand with your emotional and nonsensical demands.

There are corrupt cops and our system isn't perfect, but at very least 98% of the people in jail committed a crime and deserve to be there. I could do without marijuana laws but then faggots not unlike yourself would try to get drugs that actually do harm legalized, and let's be real, if weed were legal, and you could buy it in the fucking gas station or 7/11, those same people selling it would be selling the next step up, and be in jail anyway.

The dirtiest secret of you types is this: You never stop. Even if you get your way. If we left it to you this country would be Haiti within a fucking decade.

You only see the trees and never the forest. Always the road ahead and never the entire map. I understand your passion, you think you're being righteous. I only hope that it fades after you turn 25.

Literally any non-monetary system will fix it. It's only a problem in CAPITALIST societies because there is a financial incentive to do so.
>If people didn't profit off of selling cigarettes, fastfood, drugs, or imprisoning people, do you really think it would happen
>"But it's human nature to kill humans via over consumption with no gain to be had"
>There's a financial incentive to do so under capitalism, under other system there is no money. There is significantly less greed.

Sauce please, not some bullshit disproven story for which several documentaries were filmed on.

The 80/20 number/principle is naturally occuring literally everywhere, so yeah. That's great, it just shows that there's a meritocracy.

Now if that number shifts to something else, like 1% owning 80%, or 1% owning 95%, then you have a problem.

Go fuck yourself, you communist fag.

Proofs? That's feudalism tier bro.

>our costs ate inflated because we are basically subsidizing the rest of the world.
I'm sure huge profits have nothing to do with it.

Or we have too many people committing crimes most of which happened to be black or immigrants.
> Oh it's because of structural racism in America

How's the crime rate doing in Africa, oh wait you'd be hard-pressed to get actual accurate statistics because the governments are so in capable and don't even have full control of the country in most parts of Africa.

Not all bridges are the same height.

yes. whats wrong with farming your own tobacco and smoking it? if nothing, then whats wrong with selling some to my neighbors?

>98% of prisoners deserve to be there

Yeah alright, I guess we'll ignore the fact that 46% of all prisoners are there for non-violent drug offenses.
>bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp

Literally half of the US prison population is nonviolent, fucking research before you spit out garbage.

they are easentially making up for losses.

Your solution is to create a nanny state that doesn't let people act the way they want.

>Whoever is selling bad things is bad
What about the ones who are buying, commie?

National Socialism is the superior system.

people will consume anything regardless of positive or negative side effects for whatever reason. you can't take it away just because you think or "know" what's best for them

Fuck off, /leftypol/, nobody's fooled.

i dont see your point. i know people who eat mcdonalds reasonably. what do u wanna ban mickey ds because people get fat? thats stupid. its your choice to get fat not ronald mcdonalds fault.

When .01% controls 100% of everything it's okay because the other people are equally fucked

Because that's not what's happening.

There'd be nothing wrong with that situation, but you're pretending like tobacco isn't a multi-billion dollar industry that profits off of cigarette addiction.
>Also tobacco is fucking hard to grow in small areas
>Would you actually think I would have a problem with that situation? Replace tobacco with weed, and I'd literally advocate for it.

you can if youre a tyrant like these lefties usually are.

>Socialism lets the government control everything, and when they do that they do not or eventually will not have your best interests in mind. They will portray this as "We know best, this is for you!"
Historically, socialism was progeny of classical liberalism. Socialists dislike authority, and are particularly distrustful of strong governments. I, on the other hand, don't and have merely adopted their outlook on economy. Socialist sociologists tend to be guilty of reductivism. The modern left threw socialism out of their policies.
>If America was fully socialist right now then we'd have reparations and probably go through with BLM's really crazy list of demands, like giving them "Black States" etc.
If factories were communal property with the workers being shareholders and directors had commisarial (instead of absolute in form of ownership) authority, you'd get "black states"? I honestly don't see the connection.
>The only system that "works" is capitalism. It doesn't work that well, especially with a lack of religious accountability, but 1% is scientifically better than 0%.
It doesn't work very well, you're correct in saying that.

why is it the company's fault for people damaging their own body? why should the government forcefully tell people don't smoke (they do that already and no smoker or future smoker gives a shit btw)

So drug dealers and crack addicts should just walk the streets free, taxpayers should just pay for their rehab to fail over and over again because they lack the necessity known as wheel power?

All the problems we face today are caused by the destructive values of freedom (capitalism) and equality (Marxism). We must value order over freedom and equality.

Then tell people who smoke cigarettes that marijuana is better and lobby for legalization. That's a good fight.

Don't try to convince everyone else to pay for your dumbshit ideas of crippling industries and customers via taxation. That's a bad fight and will get you thrown off a helicopter.

hah, he thinks that people wouldn't smoke or drink in a non-capitalist system

listen you fuck, we've been brewing beer from the moment we started settling in one place even before we learned how to bloody write

hell, there are theories that making beer is exactly why we began to settle

people would still smoke and drink themselves to death in you "utopia", you can't stop that and well if someone were to increase the overall wealth by making a profit there, let them, it's better for society then just giving it away like you plan to do

Will power

Literally every mentioned problem is an individual decision, nobody is forced to eat, smoke or do drugs, and healthy lifestyle is marketed and represented equally just like tobacco, junk food etc.

I would only take prison population as a real problem because the majority of those people are incarcerated for victimless crimes.

>pic
>When the top 1% of your poopulation owns 99% of all the wealth, but it's okay because in communism everything belongs to (((everyone)))