BUY BUY BUY! SELL SELL SELL!

Whats the deal with the stock market? Quick way to make a buck, or an elaborate GoFundme?

Good if you devote your time to it. Not good to dabble in lightly.

r/wallstreetbets or /biz/ for likeminded autistic traders

>Whats the deal with the stock market?
You can invest there - i.e., buy good income-generating assets at the right time (at low prices). It's also the easiest way to diversify your investments among assets, asset types and geographies.

Or you can try speculating (buy low-sell high, short selling, using leverage, arbitrage - whatever) and lose your time and money.

>Quick way to make a buck
No.

You can't beat the market

I mean, you don't need to beat it. Generally speaking. It's not like a bookie

Its like a money printing machine where all the weatlh that is inputed gets soaked by the top who controls it

it's speculation for the most part which is how many people lose their pants, if you are a real investor you invest in actual companies not memes and you invest long term. There is no beating the market, it takes money to make money, it takes time to money, and it takes intelligence to make money.

There is no "the market", it's a wild mix of markets which are more or less correlated.

The house always wins.

>speculating (buy low-sell high, short selling, using leverage, arbitrage - whatever) and lose your time and money.
Only if you dont know what you're doing (which is 99% of speculators)

Get HIV from some gay beaner and then you can start your gofundme, faggot.

You're an idiot. Finding a company that pays a dividend often times results in more returns than you'd get out of a bank.

The stock market isn't solely traders doing a million trades a day on shares that rise 1 cent, long term investment is very viable and a better alternative than having all your money in a savings account.

>mountain jew has a crystal ball and can see the future

>/biz/
there are only scammers and cryptojews on biz

I've made some money and loss some as well

You have to really be tolerant to risks

You can't half ass your research and I think you have to have a good instinct about the investments

This.

My friend made £18k over a year and a few months from stocks.
He works in it now.
Although he is a bit spooked because the brexit chaos.
He only started off with about £1000 invested.
But you can start as low as £200 easily. It will just take more time to get that momentum going.

Careful use of automation, stop-gaps to prevent huge losses, you can automate >50% of it quite easily with little oversight.
Of course, still checking it every so often is recommended.
Not checking it is how you lose a shitload of money in an instant because you never accounted for something happening.
Even the best automated algorithms get shit on. (case in point that one guy that shit on the whole market by making trades he had no intention of going through with)

>huge losses
>if you put only 1000GBP or even 200GBP into it
kek

I mean relatively speaking, you dumdum.

Losing large amounts of your money means you basically undo a huge amount of your momentum.
The more money you have, the more you can gain as the indices go up.

Put a bit of money into an S&P 500 index fund once a week. The S&P 500 has a long time yearly return of ~7%. This year, it returned 9.5% excluding dividends.

It's definitely boring as hell, but is really as safe as you can be. The investment cost is also incredibly low, so you lose minimize your losses to the banker kikes.

So its like Craps then?

so if I invest 1000 dollars then by the end of the year I would have gained aprox 100 dollars?

It's almost 18%avg in EUR over the last 6 years. Based S&P prevents me from holding worthless Muslim currency.

Minus fees and taxes.

This is adorable. Someone print this post and jiz on it.

I made like 18k off thr stock market this year and they're all in retirement funds

If you want to retire comfortably, you need to invest

Your loss.
Having a stop-gap of 1%-5% ensures you retain a decent momentum in trades.

It also makes up for the huge sudden drops that can happen when people do the ol pump and dump.
It acts as a buffer to those losses.
Of course, if you actually had a decent algorithm set up, you would gain on their pump and dump as well since when it reaches a low point, you'd buy in the instant it starts going back up.
You'll probably lose less than your stop-gap anyway.

get gud, nerd

If you already have money and want to make long term investments: good.

If you want to lose a lot of money and fall for the day-trading meme where you are literally fighting against sophisticated machines that make million transactions within miliseconds: bad.

Don't talk to me, dork.

Shut up bitch, I'll flood your mother with premium Viking jizz.

Flush yourself down the toilet, abdool.

>what is trading on margin
>what is options
this is how you lose a lot of money: by betting that a stock will go down and you can buy it again, and you play with OPM.

>tfw I wrongly assumed user was not a total retard who uses financial instruments where he can lose more than he has

If someone's asking about stock market on Sup Forums, he has no business speculating. Moreover, I would advise to not even try: the vast majority of people end up losing money and a shitload of time when they do.

Learning how to invest your savings is a good idea, though. You don't need to know the inner workings of the stock market to understand The Intelligent Investor and invest in a bunch of stock and bond index funds and maybe some REITs.

buy high sell low!

>he can lose more than he has
>doesn't understand how this works

> Diversified Portfolios, long term, minimum 5 years unless you have the time and expertise tom manage yourself.

Only way a non-Jew can compete due to society's distractions and stock price manipulation.

You can't lose more than you have if you are not a retard/gambler.

Basically, there are thousands of computers trading stocks faster than you could ever do yourself, hundreds of times per minute. The only way to make money is to group stocks into mutual funds, diversify at least 7 types of stocks, and wait 10-20 years. You're basically guaranteed a decent return that way, but any short term trading is super risky.

Buy and hold and anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot

>t. an actual buyside analyst who gets paid six figures to pick equities

the guy on the radio station I listen to says Buy and hold is bad

you must have a buy hold and Sell stratagey

You can make systematic profits via active trading if you are an insider in some stock based company and know a happening happens before the market knows it.

Depends on the stock you are following.

But yeah, having an out is a need to minimize losses. (and diverse portfolio obviously)

You need to look at that index, look at what people are saying in chats, forums, mailing lists and such.
But most importantly, you need to do the fucking research and read news. Not just the business, ALL the news. Tech, science, biology, mining, resources, politics, everything.
All these things bubble up in to the current value.
Then you decide whether to sell then and there to minimize that loss, or hold because it might jump back up beyond the previous peak.
(buy on rumor sell on fact, for example, it always ends up going back to normal values after that initial shock, always)

Series 7 & series 24 broker here. It's gambling. Wall Street has fucked this country so bad. Every public co worships at the alter of quarterly earnings and muh growth. It's what fuels globalization and ensures our kids are all fucked. Jews run Wall Street because they love money and greed and complex systems. Right now financial services are racing towards outsourcing and developing software to replace humans. It's all a joke.

Diversify your investments is the only thing you can do. If you don't understand something dont invest in it ever, don't let someone talk you into it. Don't chase gains either.

Keep some cold hard cash. And prepare for another recession in the near future, we are due.

I'm actually getting out of the industry to work with a family business in a rural setting. Buying land etc.

Thinking of becoming a broker or mayber stock trader in the future

How'd you get to where you are?

Not OP, but I got series 7 by going to work for a brokerage house that trained me and paid for tests. It's an interesting field.

Did you get a degree prior to working there?

The single greatest engine of wealth creation in human history.

Individual investors get slaughtered, if you have savings to invest in the long term, a broad ETF is a fantastic choice but it should not be your only investment and you should not invest all of your savings to begin with.

Also, ETFs are trendy now because they have dramatically outperformed actively managed funds (like hedge funds) for the past 10-15 years. But past results are not an indication of future performance, that trend may change or even reverse in the future.

In this case the performance benefits are systematic because index based ETFs don't have a management fee.
So this is projectable to the future.

I like dividend stock, I personally do, but some would arguennn that the company could reinvest the dividend money better than you could, resulting in better long term returns.

As the more and more money pile onto ETFs the behavior of the market may shift. Actively managed funds may find a way to benefit from this shift.
The best actively managed funds still outperform index funds - as more and more hedge funds close their doors, only the cream of the crop remains.

It wouldn't be surprising if, in a few years, the average hedge fund outperforms ETFs.

So basically you are saying its gambling?

Do away with modern portfolio theory. Long time investment in small to mid caps with low price to book is where it is at. Yes they are volatile but short term risk is ghost risk. Also equal weighted indexes outperform their cap weighted siblings buy quite a bit and this add up over time. The equal weight Wilshire 5000 has an annualized return of 17% over the past 45 years. With the cap weighted S&P, try 10%. That extra 7% adds up a lot long term. There is no ETF for the Wilshire 5000 equal weighted, but there is for the S&P which is RSP.

It's all gambling though.

Keep your savings in a bank account and inflation might make them worthless over time.
Turn it into gold and you might buy at an all-time high price (people who bought gold in 1980 never made their money back on an inflation-adjusted basis).
Buy stocks and you might have bought at the peak of a bubble. Same with property.
Buy bonds for safety with zero returns, and some elected populist might default and make them worthless in the future.

There is no "safe" way to store your savings, it's every person's job to decide how to gamble with their wealth.

>individual investors get slaughtered
Some do, some don't. Really depends on the type of person investing, their experience, and their strategy concerning fundamental and technical analysis.

To put it in context - Almost all my intradays are mild small wins/losses just for the rush. However, I've had 5k shares of $AMD at 2.05 since earlier this year, and hold until february. I'm already up ~500% (11.34 close today, but did cross 12 a day ago so just a normal market correction).

If you want to make money OP, go options. But high risk/high reward, and you really need to read and practice for ~1 year minimum before actually buying a contract. I've done my homework, but I still do not feel even remotely confidant in playing options (regret it with $AMD, but every buy/sell/missed opportunity is a regret in the market so whatevs).

holding until *February 2017

This guy also gets it. Not series certified (but I'm in medical school, and have a few college friends who are series 7) and they all say the same thing. After fucking around for a year with it, I wholeheartedly agree.

>you must have a buy hold and Sell stratagey
Don't pick stocks, it's that road to hell paved with good intentions. Wait for the next big financial crisis and invest in index funds throughout the world when everything has fallen and the (((media))) is yelling everybody's gonna die. Also some good REITs or real estate if you've got the money.

Once you're in, buy more of the same every month or so. You don't ever need an exit strategy for this, and that's the most sensible thing you can do.

>annualized return of 17% over the past 45 years

Great, this way my $2 life savings will be a staggering $4681.92 in 90 years

>Buy stocks and you might have bought at the peak of a bubble. Same with property.
You can pick the timing for those, though. As long as you understand you might have to wait for 10 or 20 years before the opportunity presents itself. When the markets have fallen at least 30% and everybody's saying the world is gonna fall apart, it's a good time to start buying.

Unlike gold, stocks and property are connected to the real world through the income they generate for their owners, so there's always a bottom for them.

amount saved x (1+ % annual return) ^n n=number of years to retirement
I got $2,740,044 Not bad for $2

Don't forget to discount this for inflation to get the real figure.

That is true, and I have a feeling many are way behind in starting to save for retirement. By the time they cash in their 401k, inflation will have ate up most of what little they have saved. Creepy trips btw.

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>fuckin poor thinking he knows whats up
If you dont know what you are doing, invest here

>Creepy trips btw.
Hehe, picrelated.