What is Sup Forumss opinion on Fascism?

What is Sup Forumss opinion on Fascism?

Be serious here, anons.

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It's a good idea, but only when it does not have a supremacist element not an imperialist intention.

Which one?

Immoral and goes against the nature of being.

Agreed

Imperialism > Supremaciism


too many J. Peterson videos for you, lad

"Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time..."

Bad for economy. Free market all the way.

Lesser evil than Communism but not desirable to have. May become inevitable if the west continues to mongrolize.

tfw no buf ring

Any, your pick.

Ethnic-Fascism best fascism
Italian Fascism a shit

nice leafpost

Nice turkpost

There is a typo there, it should say:
>It's a good idea, but only when it does not have a supremacist element nor an imperialist intention

I think both Imperialism and supremacism are bad ideas.

Fuck you then

"I suck Jewish cocks"

-Winston Churchill

It's the most obnoxious variety of socialism.

>socialism

Terrible, a cult full of edgy left wingers trying to pose as part of the right

that's just because you and your countrymen are neither supreme nor capable of conquering other nations

Stupid system that relies solely on war to exist. It's for edgy teens.

It's the only way for humanity to advance. The current system has allowed the left wing cancer to grow uncontrolled to the point where the degeneracy plaguing the west is almost unable to be cured

Edgelord Faggotry
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>Fascism is left wing

What the fuck

Literally not true. It's possible to have fascism without having a psychotic cunt as a leader

Left-Wing hardcore authoritarianism that has no place in civilised discussion.

Ya. We all know the true right buys into every liberal premise and exists to take it up the ass.
That is winning.

>An extreme totalitarian nationalist state
>Left wing

An extreme totalitarian left wing state existed for the better part of the 20th century

One of the points of fascism is that its adherents must feel humiliated by the wealth of its enemies. It also relies in and out groups, rather than treating people as individuals, and the good of the individual is subordinate to the welfare of the group. That set of characteristics is incompatible with strong private property rights.

Fascism is a type of socialism. A very obnoxious type of socialism.

Of course you do. Youre a god damn dirty spic.

Italian fascism was awful. BUF and Mosley were based, though.

>Literally not true. It's possible to have fascism without having a psychotic cunt as a leader

Fascism needs an enemy to scapegoat.

Nazi brits have one of the best flag designs imo

Its pussy shit real men go with full blown national socialism.

That's like saying National Socialism is marxist socialism because it considers everyone to be a part of the nation.

His ideas make sense it's just not practical. You'd need a program like COINTELPRO and if you have the government as a fascist you likely don't need to divide feminists from minorities.

You're only an edgelord as long as youre larping and not actually doing. If you run for office, work on political campaigns, do stuff like put up those posters we hear about, you're no edgelord.

I'd say I'm a national socialist in a perfect world but I'd like to think I'm pragmatic since I've been working for conservatives. I helped unseat an incumbent Democratic Congressman and helped win two county board seats for Republicans. I'd love to hear what you've done to further your way of thinking. I'm sure it's not just trying to discourage people on the internet by typing a way with your cheesy fingers.

>War to exist.

>Spain was neutral during and after WW2

KEK!

Correct.

youtube.com/watch?v=NzNug1d01G4

Only fascism will stop Islam.
Liberalism will fighting Islam over homosexual rights, over tolerance and equality, it is doomed to fail.

Nazism is Fascism my Roman friend

>tfw we will never have fascism in Australia

No they do not you dummy, that's communism. Fascism just needs a United people to elevate.

Fascism is 75% correct. Nationalism married with skepticism of pure democracy, pure capitalism, and racial equality? Great. But euthanizing cripples and throwing people out of helicopters for wrongthink? You can be edgy about it all you want in memespace, but that shit is horrific irl

>Euthanising cripples

Literally what is wrong with this

Communism needs class warfare, yes.

But fascism also needs an enemy to rally against and for the same reasons.

nothing if you don't believe human life has any inherent value. Or if you don't have any crippled family members or friends

It really doesn't

Human worth measures up to how much he can do to help others.

Social cohesion matters.

It doesn't need an enemy to rally against.
Have it defeated it's enemies (Jews communists, bankers) you would've see this.
They had more positive propaganda then negative.

The inevitable next step after democracy fails. Universal suffrage has ensured that democracy will fail soon enough. So society will last that lets women and gibs me dats vote.

So soon enough you'll see some sort of limited democracy in the heinlein vein. With national socialistic goals. Getting people whipped into a fervor of nationalism is a great way to raise the self-esteem of your country. Self esteem goes up, economy skyrockets. It's a self fulfilling prophesy. The aesthetics of naziism also have an innate allure: the high romanesque architecture and statues. The large rallies and marches of like minded people. The fanciful SS uniform and adornment. People naturally gravitate to that feeling of order and belonging. Today's fractured multicultural society is only driving people to desire this even more. Persons with no strong family unit desperately desire this structure and sense of belonging: That's why some have latched onto radical islam, radical SJW, Radical Bolshevik, street gangs.

The anti-nazi propaganda is so strong that it means the new system won't rise on nazi imagery like the swastika and straight armed salute - those are radioactive in the west. However the one good thing about the massive anti-nazi propaganda campaign is that so few people have ever read or listened to Hitler and Natsoc ideas that you could literally deliver a Hitler or Goebbels speech word for word in the west and nobody would even know where your ideas came from.

Honestly what this world needs is the right natsoc leader to arise in the United States. Do away with so much bloated impotent bureaucracy between here and europe. Make the future of the white race and culture safe without needing to exterminate any other race. The day is comeing soon. If Hillary had won or trump fails to live up to his promises you'll see it.

that's the 25% of fascism I don't agree with. It's that 25% that leads to all the creepy shit, IMO.

Fascism no longer exists. It's as dead as Odinism. You can reinvent Odinism, but it's not Odinism, it's fake Odinism. Unless it's a joke (and don't get me wrong, Nazi Microsoft chatbots are funny), it's pathetic. Actually, the fact that /pol has made Hitler funny is the best possible evidence that Hitler is completely dead.

What's alive is the ideological system that defeated fascism -- which committed plenty of atrocities of its own. Of our own. When we think about crimes from the last century, it seems more relevant to think about the crimes we committed, not those they committed.

What is fascism? It's exactly what everyone thinks it is. The conventional wisdom is perfectly correct. Our historians have a merciless, laser-sharp understanding of everything bad that fascism was and everything it did wrong. What hasn't been done is turning this same laser on our own institutions.

As for the word "slavery," it means too many things at the same time. Robert Nozick in the '70s devised a beautiful little paradox for people who think they can define "slavery": [colorado.edu/studentgroups/libertarians/issues/nozick_slave.html]. Try it.

For example, is "debt slavery" slavery? Or is it only slavery when you can't declare bankruptcy? Oddly enough, our society has one form of debt that can't be shed in bankruptcy: student loans. The institutions that benefit from it are our most powerful and privileged.

What Carlyle said about slavery is that you can ban the word, but not the institution. There are plenty of people today who will be paying off their student loans until they die. Is this the same as being whipped by Leonardo DiCaprio unless you chop your quota of sugarcane? It is not. Is it "slavery"? Dunno, you tell me. Are they both bad things? Sure. Is everything that can fit, or has in the past fit, under this label, evil? If so, it would be a very unusual label.

Yes, that's one of the defining characteristics of fascism: its leaders promise peace and prosperity after the defeat of its enemies.

But it can never be allowed to happen. Because if there is no rallying cause to unify the people, it breaks apart. Fascism therefore requires near permanent warfare, or at least some kind of struggle.

As for your last question, it's simply a matter of who has actual power in our society. Everyone wants to think of themselves as powerless and/or oppressed. But actual power dynamics are not hard to find.

That's just edgy bullshit. There is no need to euthanize people with disabilities, we can support them easily, and they can still give back in one way or another. That's the kind of garbage that leftists use to smear it.

anything to destroy niggers and promote my own (((people))) is good in my book.

The only people who still like fascism are the filthy culturally oblivious autist NEET outcasts who visit this site, don't you get it?

>"B-but muh Nietzschean ubermensch, muh master morality, muh will to power...."

you don't have to believe this shit to be an ethnonationalist.

Fascism is a failed ideology, and it failed because it is flawed.

Joseph Goebbels must have done his job at The Ministry of Public Enlightenment really well if people are still buying his bullshit 80 years later.

Granted, reject NEETs hardly qualify as people

Well yeah. There would be peace once it's enemies are defeated.

>Because if there is no rallying cause to unify the people

We are not talking some loose coalition of people fighting a common goal. THOSE movements always break up.

Fascist have a nation, a religion, shared culture and a community they have built up. They have unifiers on so many levels.
I understand if you can't see this, we live in a world that is totally atomized. We have the opposite of unity.

>unity is where everyone who disagrees with me are killed
lol

National Syndicalism and Fascism are legitimately the only solution to solving a lot of problems that different societies face today.

I know Sup Forums doesn't care much about countries like Brazil or Vietnam, but third world nations like these desperately need either benevolent feudal systems or fascism to save them from the brink of collapse.

retarded. it's a lame excuse for power-hungry assholes to attain control of other people

Good strawman.

sounds like it isn't all about freedom so no. fuck fascism.

There will always be another enemy. It will turn on itself if no further external enemies can be found. Some formerly accepted group will be cast out and made a scapegoat.

How is it a strawman? Better yet, why do all you filthy stormfags love tossing that word around?

"Unity" in Fascism is only possible when everyone who is considered inferior is purged.

Now, how in anyway is that not exactly the ideology practiced in the Third Reich, fool?

>relies solely on war to exist

>One of the points of fascism is that its adherents must feel humiliated by the wealth of its enemies.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_collaboration

>Class collaboration is one of the main pillars of social architecture in fascism. In the words of Benito Mussolini, fascism "affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men."[1] Given this premise, fascists conclude that the preservation of social hierarchy is in the interests of all classes, and therefore all classes should collaborate in its defense. Both the lower and the higher classes should accept their roles and perform their respective duties.

How was that not the case in the Third Reich? The people must always be rallied behind some cause, be it the extermination of the subhumans, or the war effort, or both.

Have you, like, ever even opened a fucking book on this nigger?

>What is Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy

Question for you Sup Forumslacks what will you do once you get in power? Will you gas autistic people/spergs?

why would the gas their own kind?

You quite missed the point. I didn't say that fascists conducted class warfare, in the way communists do, on all who are wealthy. I said being wealthy was a point of necessity when fascists seek to identify their enemies.

Their enemies need to have above average wealth - but not everyone with above average wealth is the enemy.

>brings up the Third Reich
>thinks it's bad

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So they wouldn't be gassed? I'm a diagnosed sperg but I have been called smart all for a lot of my schooling years and have some degree of savantism.

fascism is for bromace fagets

The only way out desu. Your conservatism and libertarianism won't save you from the third world biomass and its increasingly communistic enablers.

I wouldn't want to do that but, beacause cuck nations like American, UK, France, Russia, Ententec/Allied countries are always in the way then they leave me with no choice

No senpai, it failed for a reason you stupid shit.

>unwarranted self importance, and thinking one's self to be much smarter than they really are thanks to the big A
not this shit again

What do you mean by that? Would you kill them?
I do have aspergers, but I am pure white and considered very smart.

But user I don't think I'm that smart, and I realize that I still have a lot of things to learn.

I wouldn't gas you. I wouldn't kill most non-whites. Jews on the other hand...

>There will always be another enemy. It will turn on itself if no further external enemies can be found.

This is what empires do. Collisions. Multicultural countries. Multi-racial countries.
If you country is divided then it needs a common enemy to fight or it falls apart.
The left is a perfect example of this. It is a coalition of fringes against White working men.

If the country is united by religion, culture, race, ethnicity, nation, etc then it doesn't need to rely on external enemies to survive. It can survive on it's own.

Seig Heil

Biggest evil there is

Thanks man, if the west falls to fascism I would still want to try and help people. I am not very rebellious and come from a decently rich middle class family.

Meaning its these nuisancent countries that always strike the first blow, create the wars that they end up blaming on the ebil meanie baddy guize

The reason was Jews and weather.

Okay, that makes more sense, thank you for explaining!

All whites of good character will have a place in the sort of society that I dream of. I gotcha bro.

Thanks.

It is the only way forward for Whites.

> I didn't say that fascists conducted class warfare, in the way communists do
They don't conduct it at all.

>I said being wealthy was a point of necessity when fascists seek to identify their enemies.
No, you're still wrong. Go back to Mises.

Thank you based Canadian.

Luke 10:18

He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

>The people must always be rallied behind some cause, be it the extermination of the subhumans

>He thinks a leader can come out and call for the exterminate of subhumans and become super popular.

It's easy bro! Just scapegoat someone HAHAHA! So easy!

The future is ours.

Easy to say for a shitskin.

Fascism is necessary is times such a this.

Thanks for the picture, I downloaded it.

Is this century just going to be one big lesson of be careful what you wish for?

>Blacks should create a national consciousness
>Result: Whites do too and they're pissed.

>We should destroy everything that is aesthetically beautiful and reduce everything to abstract forms because they promote hierarchy and traditionalism
>People clamor for straight up feudalism and strong men. An entire internet subculture is based around this desire and the aesthetic squalor around us: vaporwave.

>The left wants to create a coalition of the oppressed against white people.
>White people become a coalition.

>The left laughs heartily at the idea of whites becoming minorities in their own countries, saying it's a good thing.
>Whites vote like minorities, and they vote hard right.

>Spics on Sup Forums always egged on some of the more violent language here against niggers.
>They might get shoah'd in the race war now.

Only a transitional period to bring back order, historically followed by some kind of democracy.
As a permanent system an absolute disaster. Will fail due to economic pressure if for nothing else, because at best its some kind of mercantilism and at worst fully socialist.

That didn't come from mises. It came from Umberto Eco.

nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

What about a technocracy or something similar where high ranking people of work/trades hold a lot of power?
Yes, because trends reverse and also it's the fact that people are naturally conservative socially, but hide like a shadow to fit in.

capped.
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