COMMUNIST GENERAL /CG/

/CG/ - Communist general
This thread is for discussion of socialism and communism as well as leftist anarchism

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Go take an economics course and see if you still believe in communism.

Go take a helicopter ride commie scum.

reee get out of my board

Wow. Look at all these non-arguments. Give me a reason socialism doesn't work.

Patrick,zijn de patatten al gereed?
Nee Marc, nog effe geduld.
JA ma seg PAtrick ik heb wel honger,zenne
JA sorry marc ma ge moet toch nog effe geduld hebben
Tis allemaal d schuld van de sossen

If you're not right wring you deserve to fucking die.

THIS THREAD IS NOW NAZ-BOL

Hi comrades

Patrick,zijn de patatten al gereed?
Nee Marc, nog effe geduld.
JA ma seg PAtrick ik heb wel honger,zenne
JA sorry marc ma ge moet toch nog effe geduld hebben
Tis allemaal d schuld van de sossen

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>reason
>socialism

JIDF ALT + F4 your spine.

Not an argument.

Que tal, amigo espanol
visito Espane desde el tercero hasta el décimo

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Hi.

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what is the infrastructure for the production of more humans

Wher ar d barguments :DDD

kys

>Amerifag creating communist treads
>Me saying your retarded communism is shit

Oh how the tables have turned

(You)

You're the one who believes in communism, there is no argument you can bring up that warrants communism as something viable.

DAILY REMINDER SOCIALISM WITHOUT NATIONALISM IS HOAX

>comrade

Embarrassing

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We have in the countless threads before this one.
History has in the countless nations that have tried these failed ideas.

You never listen, not once. Reality is always inadmissible to you, and so you will make another thread tomorrow about this, because truth is painful to you, and you still believe, through some twisted method of denying all reason, that Communism has still not been debunked as a total and absolute failure in every measurable respect.

Humans.

We can dance if you want to, we can leave your friends behind.
cuz your friend dont dance and if they dont dance than theyre no friends of mine

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Elimination of profit-sucking top management allows to raise wages to the point where you can support a family on a single income.

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Checkm99

LEl poorcuck spotted
Also,We can dance if you want to, we can leave your friends behind.
cuz your friend dont dance and if they dont dance than theyre no friends of mine

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leftism is the same as high level autism.

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It worked in Catalonia. It worked in Yugoslavia. It made Albanian into a industrialized nation. It gave people food in Cuba. It worked fine in anarchist Ukraine. It turned the soviet union into a super power.

Checked

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ALbania, Top Kekerino

hacker pls go

March?

Enjoy your stay in this sunny country

>the problem with capitalism is that you eventually run out of other peoples surplus labor

Yeah, it turned Soviet Union into a superpower that got bankrupt trying to win arms war with US.

Cuban people got food? Yeah, because food is all that they've got. Have you seen Cuba? It's literally backwards ~70 years behind every modern capitalist nation. Just like Soviet Union had been.

>it worked in Catalonia
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH YEAH, TEN MONTHS OF REAL COMMUNISM-TALK ABOUT VIABLE!

>implying
Also, why do so many attempts at dissing socialism can actually be better applied to capitalism?

Why would people work?
Why would I give out my best at work?
Why invent anything?

Where is the motivation in communism?

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Eat a dick nigger

>It turned the soviet union into a super power.

Normally I wouldnt be impressed by a homogenous white population with a lot of land and resources being powerful. But they were slavs...

>"let's give all our money and power to kikes and see what happens"

*20 million native Russians dead later*

>It was state capitalism goyim, TRUE communism would never had failed

We may have meme'd Trump into office, but can we meme every left leaning faggot into Russia circa 1917?

First into space, deal with it.

>It worked in Ukraine
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 1918-1921 THEN BTFO BY SOVIETS, SO PERFECT!
>It gave people food in Cuba
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ASK A CUBAN THAT

There can be nothing more abominable than religion. - Vladimir Lenin

They got food health care and education. Seems OK to me. It sucks compared to America but is OK for a Latin American island.

and also first to crash economically

By literally throwing people into space until one survives. Just like they fought in WW2. But when it came to the moon it turned out you can't just pile up dead bodies until you'll reach it.

Find any person who lived through communism in any of those nations, and tell them that communism works.

Once you recover from the ass beating they give you for your insane fucking drivel, let us know.

>Why invent anything?
You never tried to better yourself? Do you even remember what it's like to have passion for something?

You work for the same reason you do in capitalism. To get your paycheck. Its just that you help manage the business democratically.

I can confirm. Communism is cancer.

you work in communism because if you dont you get shot, or go to the gulags

HAPPY NEW YEAR COMRADES!

WHO IS READY TO EXTOL THE VIRTUES OF BULL PREPPING IN 2017?

WHO IS READY TO FIGHT THEIR BOUEGEOIS PARENTS WHEN THEY DEMAND YOU GET A JOB?

WHO IS READY TO SEIZE THE MEANS OF FEDORA PRODUCTION?

The USSR was working on an Internet before the americans, sadly it didn't carry out.

Cybernetics in the Service of Communism

Colonel Raymond S. Sleeper

The Spearhead for the spread of Communism was forged in the Soviet Union when Lenin seized power and began to use this philosophy as the rallying standard for achieving world Communist domination. The Soviet Union’s progress from the revolutionary chaos of the early Twenties to the space-age discipline of the Sixties has been phenomenal. In response to a series of difficulties and events in attempting to accelerate this task, the Soviets have borrowed and adapted to their use a unique and powerful philosophical and technological tool—cybernetics.

the promise of cybernetics

This tool seems to offer the means to optimize the continued development and growth of the power of Soviet Russia, the subversive capture of free nations, and the establishment of worldwide educational, technological, military, and space superiority. But more important, cybernetics is now seen by some Soviet authorities as the means of facilitating the optimum (Communist) control of the complex system of states, peoples, and resources of the world which the Communists hope will result from Communist world domination.

rt.com/politics/340158-most-russians-regret-ussr-has/

Simply stated, cybernetics involves purposeful control of complex dynamic systems. Dynamic systems are those systems which can react to or adapt to a changing environment. In practice, the Soviets appear to be classifying almost any subject that has to do with information and control in man, machine, and society as cybernetics. Cybernetic systems, as opposed to automatic devices, are capable of responding in a predictable orderly manner to changes in the environment. An example of a crude cybernetic system is the home furnace that responds via thermostatic control to changes in temperature for the purpose of maintaining a reasonably constant temperature in the home. One of the first complex cybernetic systems developed was Norbert Wiener’s design of a system to link radar through a computer to a battery of automatic fire-controlled antiaircraft guns.

In facing this extremely difficult problem, Wiener realized that the complex system he was designing performed the same functions as a skilled skeet shooter who acquired the target, tracked it, allowed for an appropriate lead, and fired. The skilled marksman achieved a high degree of accuracy. Knowing that biological systems (man or animal) could adapt easily to rapidly changing environmental parameters, both external as in the case of the skeet shooter and internal as in the case of an athlete whose body adjusts to give him a second wind, he often consulted with neurologists and others to determine if he was on the right track in his basic design philosophy. There were several instances in which he found direct analogs between the behavior of his gun-laying systems and certain characteristics of the nervous systems.

> t. cornudo

i also regret having a shitty democracy, but hey cant go back in time

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People in Yugoslavia (or where Yugoslavia was) still miss Tito. I cant ask the anarchists in Spain or Ukraine because they all got murdered. There was a based Albanian a couple threads ago. And if you talk to real Cubans in Cuba they are happy with the system they have. I went there and asked them.

because otherwise the peaceloving Communists will put you either in a gulag or a grave
thats why living under communism sucks so bad, either you are piss poor or are worked like a roman slave till you die of exhaustion. Probably both.

Wiener’s great achievement was that he was able to synthesize existing technology and ideas into a basic conceptual framework that unified this technology to produce a high degree of control in any type of complex dynamic system. The basic elements of this concept are

(1) A well-defined goal or end state to be achieved.

(2) Sensors to detect changes in the environment, i.e., temperature, velocity, chemical reactions, learning states, etc.

(3) Communications nets connecting all elements of the system to assure information flow.

(4) Logic units to process the information flow according to criteria contained in the goal (1).

(5) Control units that are responsive to decisions from the logic center (4), which adjusts system units to the desired states as information from (1), (2), (3), and (4) changes.

Wiener felt that this scheme was basic to the control of all complex systems—technical, biological, or social. The Soviets regard the U.S. PERT management system, or the “critical path technique,” as they call it, to be a highly sophisticated example of applying cybernetic theory to an administrative system.

Cybernetics, as it developed tinder Wiener and in the U.S.S.R., imposes a rigid discipline for clear thinking upon both the theorist and the practitioner. If a true cybernetic approach to problem solving is adopted, the planner must first define his goals and criteria for their achievement as clearly and with as little ambiguity as possible.

So, unless you are personally wishing to work you shouldn't.

Do you realize how much people right now are doing job that they rather wouldn't do?
Like I want to research how to make dogs poop out orange poopies, and I don't want to do boring stuff, like finding a cure for cancer.
Why would I put my talent where it's more needed rather then chasing something I personally desire?

Red is Dead.

>RT

yeah, right, these are old fags that would get behind the government 99% of the time. They already are indoctrinated and demoralized.

>leftist anarchism
You're such a fucking retard for even writing this. There is no such thing as unity on the left or the guise of "uniting together" because you have similar beliefs BS. Marxism has ALWAYS been opposed to anarachism since the days of Marx.

>Cuck anarchist, Proudhorn, writes his "magnum opus", "The philosophy of poverty"
>Marx reads it, hates it and BTFO's it in his retort, "The Poverty of Philosphy"
>proved that anarchism was retarded
>Lenin hated anarchism
>Stalin hated anarchism

Left anarchism is the most retarded, stupid ideology there is. It's honest to god, worse than an-cap. Suddenly the state is gone so people are going to behave right and help one another like it was back in our primitive days. BS.

This is why communists of today are doomed to failure and rightly so. They align themselves with faggot SJW shit like gay rights, and non-ideologies like leftist anarchism. It is entirely irredemable at this point. If you are a left anything nowadays, you are on the losing team because of retards like OP and should consider jumping ship to the far right because at least you'll be surrounded by rational people.

>frustration with democracy
You're not the only one. Even 2009, former Comintern countries had a more sour look of capitalism and democracy.

pewglobal.org/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/

The thrust of cybernetics in Russia extends from the microbiological to the macrocosmic dimensions of man’s relationship to the elements of the universe. The volume of Soviet literature on cybernetics is monumental. Academician A. I. Berg, chairman of the Governmental Council on Cybernetics, refers to over 5000 articles in 1961 alone on “the problems of the application of mathematics, electronics, and cybernetics to biology and medicine.” Since 1961, the volume of literature and research on this subject has continued to increase.

On the biological side of cybernetics one sees interesting developments, such as the “iron hand” which attaches pneumatically to the stump of the arm and, through electrodes connected to the stump muscles of the forearm, picks up myocurrents generated from the contraction of these muscles, which then control the opening and closing of the hand. There are many other devices which link the nervous system to machines, and vice versa. One example is the biostimulator, which uses the recorded muscle movements of a sharpshooter to provide programmed electronic sleeves for automated rifle training instruction. This device is slipped over the arms and torso and electronically “stimulates” the proper muscles of the student soldier to emulate the sharp-shooting techniques of an expert rifleman recorded in the simulator. Another device, the Soviet sleep machine, is claimed to produce a relaxed state, or sleep, which provides more rest than an equivalent amount of normal sleep. This device is used in medical treatment for a variety of symptoms. Soviet cybernetics includes, in addition to biologic and physiologic control techniques, a broad program of research in neurology, psychology, and related fields, especially those areas which have the potential for technological application and behavior control.

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That's funny. You're funny.

I remember the stories of my old family factory back after WW2. It employed mostly extended family, and they decided to run things "democratically".

It went out of business less than a month after forming a union and left a decent chunk of the town, which was culturally and economically built around this one factory, destitute in its absence.

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The Soviet concept and program of the “new man” involves the “creation” of a wholly superior type of individual. It begins with the separation of numbers of young children from their families at the ages 1 to 6 years. These children are trained in some 800 special boarding homes and schools, separated from their families. Estimates vary, but it appears that 1,500,000 to 2,500,000 children have been entered into this program. The training and education of these selected children has been called the “technocratization of youth” in Russia. In other references the Soviets have called this program the preparation for “the rationalization of world economics and cybernation.” The U.S.S.R. is thus planning for rapid development of automation and encourages, promotes, and fosters cybernetics at the highest level of government and party. Social adjustment to automation is planned through the preparation of students to accommodate to the “cybernated society.” And, according to the Soviets, the change will therefore be more orderly in Russia than in any other country.

End for now!

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i like Capitalism faggot, just not aplied in a democracy, plato, rosseau, John Lock all said it was shit so i wonder why we still use it

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Paycheck? SO, we would still get a free market with communism? Or would these be food stamps?

Then again, why should I go out 100% for food stamps? I'd be slacking the shit out of this job, because I couldn't get fired.

Or maybe your are talking about social-democracy?

>because one time it failed means it never works!
These type of businesses did better during the great rescission then normal cooperatives.

what is the infrastructure for the production of more humans

DAILY REMINDER TO SAGE AND REPORT /leftypol/ THREADS!

Fuck you, where I live there's so much cold.


And yes, I also support those leftist ideas.

They never seized the means of production in Venezuela.

funny thing Gorbachev said preciselly that, communism makes people lazy and produce enefective shit

saged for /leftypol/ goon archive.fo/GnTiR
archive.fo/8ZUZo

History.

youtube.com/watch?v=sioFuw-leAU

>Why would I put my talent where it's more needed rather then chasing something I personally desire?
Why is chasing something you personally desire a bad thing? Why do you think capitalism will put you somewhere you are needed?

Under capitalism, you ain't doing shit, unless it generates profit for someone else.

Cuba has developed a working vaccine for lung cancer btw.