Libertarianism =/= Open Borders

I know this thread will most likely get deleted before anyone hears what I'm saying, but for the love of God stop spreading this meme that libertarianism is all about moral degeneracy, open borders and kikery! Today's libertarianism has NOTHING to do with what libertarian philosophers and theorists have to say. See pic related, save it, share it!

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Go back to shitposting about how the 6 gorillion really died

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t. Alberto Barbosa

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a fuckin leaf

Thank you Netherbro. Please save the image and repost whenever some idiot starts spouting bullshit

This is just kike ideology, Manoel. Grow out of it.

Minarchism is superior

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>Blocking the free movement of people
Oy vey what are you a statist?

It isn't. The logic is rigorous whether you want it or not. And while some Jews are part of the movement, they're all conservatives themselves. Look at Rothbard, for example. Hung out with a Holocaust denier, praised The Bell Curve and was anti-Civil Rights and anti-feminism. The man was Sup Forums personified

It ain't free if all land is private.

>what nu/pol/ thinks we are

ftfy.

Fuck this centrism thats taken over Sup Forums. If you're not a stormfag or palecon/paleolibertarian you're newfags fucking shits and nothing more.

Right so they buy land, why are you blocking the free movement of people?

That like a mix between conservative libertarian. Ron Paul was for open boarders but he said that he would get rid of the welfare and there would be no mass immigration because of it. People don't just leave their country to go to a different country that speaks a different language, eats weird food, and has weird customs unless they are being paid to do so. He also went on to say any wall that was built to keep illegals out could be used to keep Americans in when shit hits the fan.

I've been here since /n/ and /new/ when 14 year olds thought it was a novel board that they could just spam NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER while people trolled them by posting black penises.

Mises was a jew, Rand a russian jew, Rothbard was another jew and possibly even Hayek had jewish blood (Wittgenstein, the jew, was his cousin). It's not that "some jews are part of the movement", but rather "the movement was made by jews".

Rothbard also hung out with many people from the New Left and the logic is far from being rigorous if you look at it even from a purely philosophical point of view.

The best thing Libertarianism has ever produced was Robert Nozick.

And guess what, he was a kike.

Why as a free citizen can I not move the the United States and buy land? That doesn't sound Libertarian to me.

i am a libertarian fascist.

kek

What the fuck is wrong with Gary Johnson? Why was he even an option?

(((Rothbard)))

Hoppe addresses why having conditional immigration (open borders but no welfare state) is still destructive and dangerous in Democracy—The God That Failed. But I still love Ron Paul.

So? They were all socially conservative. And Nozick being the best that ever came out of it is the polar opposite of truth. he was soft on everything and was never really into the entire thing.

For all purposes, he and his running mate were and still are the face of the Libertarian Party in these times, and in this election. He's the epitome of "dude weed lmao" degenerate "libertarianism." Also, he wants people to bake the cake.

I am a 1800's style "classical libertarian," in the sense that I am nationalistic when it comes to supporting my own race and country, but I don't find it necessary to implement fascism to the extent that it could easily be turned against me, should what basically happened to the democrats happened to us (they create the patriot act, create all these tools for hillary to destroy the free media when she was supposed to get into office, only for someone who did not match the ideology at all manages to get in instead, and use our tools against us).

I would be a nationalist socialist, but I see that it would be very easy to subvert the whole system if the opposition managed to get someone in power, specifically because of the dictator-like reach these life-long leaders have (when it comes to socialism and gommunism, at any rate)

Reminder that Hans Herman Hoppe is the final redpill

kek I actually made that image. The one in the OP is my latest contribution toward dismantling this shit state libertarianism is in on this board.

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I got digits three times in a row. You guys should reconsider your beliefs. Kek is with me.

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Have you ever read Anarchy, State and Utopia? It is a really good book and it's the only part of libertarianism to be present at real philosophical debate. Also, it's the only respectable book with the name "Murray Rothbard" in it.

thanks!

Yes, I have read it. You should have a look at the Preface on The Ethics of Liberty, written by Hoppe, to see why Nozick became so popular while Rothbard and the likes fell into relative obscurity outside conservative/libertarian circles. Nozick was a false flag designed to throw a bone at the libertarians, but not powerful enough to create a difference. That's why state intellectuals loved him.

>(((Libertarianism))))

Also, if libertarians can be "dude weed lmao" and still be called libertarians, you should rethink your positions.

If you don't want to be a degenerate faggot, of course.

It's not that the "state intellectuals loved him", but they respected him because he did some interesting contributions to other fields such as Philosophy of Science and Meta-Ethics.

Also, you can't just think that philosophers would respect some cringe economists trying to do philosophy. Kek.

>what I think we are
>what I think Sup Forums thinks about me

/n/ was a special place though. I honestly miss the text boards

>T.Alberto Barbosa

Kek.

Most an caps even if they were atheist Jews had a deep love for Western civilization and Catholicsm. He'll Rothbard was going to convert but died too soon.

Many of the leading paleolibertarian and an caps are devout catholics

#OpenBordersForIsrael

You have been hijacked take back your party or stop complaining

It's not my party, it's the burgers' party. But they should indeed reclaim it because it's pretty much a "fiscally conservative" wing of the Democratic party.

Like Walter Block?

I'll be fair. There's Tom Woods, who's a really smart guy, and that other bow-tie wearing faggot (don't remember his name now).

However, Libertarianism was still conceived by jews with no respect for Christ, no matter what you guys tell yourselves at night.

> that other bow-tie wearing faggot
Jeffrey Tucker

>However, Libertarianism was still conceived by jews with no respect for Christ, no matter what you guys tell yourselves at night.
Yeah, you might want to look into that claim a bit longer.

Mise supported hitler, Rand was a little crazy and a little too left wing for me, rothbart was against civil right movement and Hayek supported pinochet

You mean Ayn Rand was a devout Catholic?

Gary Johnson didn't call Hillary "a wonderful public servant". It was the 'smart guy on the ticket', VP candidate Bill Weld who said that.

All the points made in pic related are genuine.

Then you had to throw out 'kikery'.

Really?

>mises supported hitler

You got to be kidding me, family member.

All of today's candidates are aids for their parties original ideals. None more so than libertarians I think.

Hans Herman Hoppe style libertarianism would probably be my preferred government. White ethnostate where welfare doesn't exist and communities must replace them.

Hoppean libertarians are just in denial. Better read some Evola or something, saves you the mental gymnastics.

Thankyou for making this thread and image OP, the LP is making me embarrassed to call myself libertarian.

Milton Friedman - A Demi-god of cheerful discourse describing why free market societies will always do better than those under socialist (dare I say National-Socialistic Worker's Party) control.

Wake the fuck up.

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> In before 'Jooooooooos' - Scroll up to the sticky, dipshits. Constantly blaming 'Joooooos' is 1.) Strawman 2.) False Cause 3.) Bandwagon of Sup Forums 4.) Anecdotal 5.) Genetic

What if I agree with both these things and believe everyone should be able to live freely?

He supported hitler on the basis of being anti-communist
To him communism was a bigger threat than anti-semitism

All true libertarian are for liberty of discrimination anyway

We are neo-feodalist anarchist and are against governement dependence in all its form, its a drug

Sure pham.

What do you mean?

Libertarianism is all well and good until you remember that little girls get cancer and daddy can't pay for it. I'm well aware that the nhs lets down shit tons of people before you remind me of how crap the nhs is. But shut tons of people would still die unnecessarily and I don't want that for my people. Look, its 40% wages for rent or mortgagee in my bit of my country and theres absolutely no way the working classes here could afford some of the basics on private healthcare let alone the big shocks that come with life.

It was Johnson. He said it on CNN. Look it up on YouTube.

Then you're a Hoppe libertarian. Private community covenants with the purpose of upholding certain community standards and certain moralities.

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Libertarians are a joke

Now you're saying that somehow this is the problem of libertarianism rather than being the problem of your current shitty government.

Look at Shkreli, guy is basically giving away shit for free or at a massive discount to those that actually need it, better than having to wait two years to even start getting help from government healthcare.

Private healthcare is usually more expensive, why? Far less people use it, thus the cost becomes higher for those who do.

There needs to be a national libertarian movement. One that practices libertarianism internally but make a distinction in how citizens and non-citizens are treated. Only citizens are allowed freedom within the boarders of the nation.

>Look, its 40% wages for rent or mortgagee
>See, our socialist policies made the cost of living absurdly high so capitalism doesn't work

>Only citizens are allowed freedom within the boarders of the nation.
>forbidding the free movement of people
>interfering in the market
You fucking commie!!!

Don't blame Sup Forums just because Pedophiles and Marxist have co-opted your genre.

If you were to:
- Eliminate the NHS
- Engage Tort-Reform
- Allow tax breaks for these cases
You would resolve this problem, and, dare I say, Possibly even find a cure. Why? NHS Consumes (does not produce) MILLIONS of pounds. In fact, NO government agency produced a God-Damned-Thing. All government EVER does is Consume. De-Regulate!
> Buh buh they'll poison us all!
Uh no, a company found to be poisoning it's customers would be put out of business when the evidence of such came to proper light.

Tort reform: Why does it cost 1,000 pounds for certain pills? Do you know that most pharmaceutical manufacturers engage as many solicitors and lawyers as they do scientists? Why do you think that is? Because people can sue them for burning their hand on hot coffee. PS, every single politician in the US on the Democrat side of the house in the last 3 decades has been directly involved with lawyer firms involved with ambulance chasing. A quick stop to a good portion of this: Require those who sue to pay the legal fees of those on the defense if they lose the case. (But it should go much farther with caps on rewards.)

Rothbard called the scholastics "protoaustrians"

To name a few ancap/peolibertarian tradional Catholics

Walter e Williams
Lew Rockwell
Andrew Napolitano
Jeffrey Tucker
Thomas Flemming

Libertarianism is founded on natural law. Without Catholics like St. Agustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, Sir Thomas Moore, and Lord Acton. It would never exist.

I'll grant that Libertarian party and it's utilitarian, beltway, and progressive tendencies is a disgrace. However paleolibertarianism is a completely different way altogether.

Think Ron Paul vs Gary Johnson. The former is a cultural conservative and true believer in liberty the latter is faggot

You can have free trade and free movement of goods without free movement of people. The EU has just jewed you into believing you cant have one without the other.

Doing God's work you guys. Keep it up.

Don't reply to that guy. He always poisons these threads and our Portuguese Politics threads. He usually disappears once he's ignored.

>without free movement of people.
>Letting the state interfering in the market of labour instead of letting the superior market forces decide by themselves
FUCK YOU COMMIE BASTARD!!!!!! KILL YOURSELF!!!!! BETTER RED THEN DEAD!

>I'll grant that Libertarian party and it's utilitarian,
When arguing the economics of libertarianism, it is not wrong to argue on a consequentialist basis as the arguments are a lot more persuasive than repeating "taxation is theft" even if it is true.

why are you guys so hateful lol what wrong wit u

>picture of purple square snek about to be treaded on by communist boot only to become enraged, with steaming red eyes and rising to the blue square

How would you like your removal?

Ofcourse utility is a nessacary and valid argument to the whole. The issue is giving the utility argument primacy over the deontological argument.

>scholastics "protoaustrians"

Williams is a nice guy, I like him. Tucker is a bow-tie wearing faggot and Rockwell is ok. Tom Woods has some potential too.

It is true, libertarianism draws a lot from Catholic tradition but that won't give you much if you see the teachings of Leo XIII and Pius X, for example.

Plus, jews drawing from Catholic Tradition are far from being reliable and history shows us that. Libertarians are just another type of good goys.

So your libertarian ideals are just for goods and not necessarily for people. This is just rampant materialism and hedonism.

That also means "far from Catholic Tradition" as well.

>do opposite of what jews say
>jews are driving force behind libertarianism and anarcho capitalism
>jews constantly try to make both ideologies the same ideology
>decide not to listen to jews
>life is better in every way

This. There's more to life than jewish ideologies.

Neither should the deontological argument hold primacy over the consequentialist argument.

I was dead wrong. Johnson said it, and then Weld shilled for Hilldog even harder,

>far from Catholic Tradition
The pope is a cuck and Catholicism has gone to shit
Free trade does not automatically mean hedonism and decadence, degeneracy is more of a cultural problem than an economic one. Shit culture produces degeneracy regardless of the economic model.

>jews are driving force behind libertarianism and anarcho capitalism
Jews are also the driving force behind communism, socialism, and the greens.
Hell even Isreal acts pretty fashy
>yfw there are no ideologies not tainted by the merchant

You mean Leo XIII and Pius X were cucks?

Francis is a cuck, her wants to flood white countries with third worlders in the name of tolerance

man what

See this is just bullocks deflection on your part, because my argument was clearly not predicated upon the cost of living - I was merely mentioning that off the cuff to add context to the situation - my point was that healthcare is too expensive for most working class people. If a child suddenly needs 100k operation and the insurance does not cover it then the family is destroyed. I'm sorry I dont want that for my people. I'm a nationalist.

There is one alternative.

Right but subsidiary and other Thomist ideas of governance could be mistaken for the works of Thomas Jefferson if not being in Latin.

And yes there are some counter tradional within the church that are at odds. But more traditions still that are in favore. Pope John Paul's "Centesimus Annus" was pratically a Libertarian manifesto.

When it comes to the nitty gritty of politics there is no one size fits all for the Church as that is out side of Papal and dogmatic infallibility. That doesn't mean we can learn by the example of the teaching and by its moral guidance. Which is why I adhere to Paleolibertarianism. As it is a synthesis of Catholic values and teaching along with the desire shrink government to to absolute minimum.

No one is talking about Francis, nigger.