COMMUNISM THREAD

COMMUNISM THREAD

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>kike thread

BETA LEFTIST!

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here comes that fat greasy commie spaniard

youtube.com/watch?v=K9CbgexJLK8

>/leftypol/ is still shilling

hahaha epik shit post le XDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No vais a conseguir nada aquí, suerte con vuestros ideales estúpidos que nunca han funcionado

FUCK COMMUNISM! KILL A COMMIE FOR HITLER!

>I'm so proud of Swedish heritage that I date an Irish girl.

Do Dutch nationalists date Greek girls? Italian girls? What's your pleasure?

тaк пoчeмy ты здecь?

How is Pinochet remembered in Chile today?

All I hear about is leftist cucks whining about the estadio national and how Allende was democratically elected?

What are some of the opinions Chileans have of him?

when i have children it will be with a dutch girl pham

leftist hate him, centrist right/right people respect him for what he did for the economy

>they actually think they can out-shill both CTR and JIDF
Pathetic raid desu

>>How is Pinochet remembered in Chile today?

>All I hear about is leftist cucks whining about the estadio national and how Allende was democratically elected?

>What are some of the opinions Chileans have of him?

Here is one of the liberal contradictions between human rights and maintaining capitalism. Should we choose between tolerating those who have radical ideas, or should we have free helicopter rides. I think any sane person would want a free helicopter ride.

>Believes in a world without money
>social heirarchy
>A state
>Private property
>everyone lives according to their needs
>be me
>be part of human species
>we naturally form heirarchies
>we like excess and ownership
>communiggers tell us we can defy that programming
>we ask for proof
>all they have to show for it is Cold War, North Korea, gulags, and other historical travesties that don't even amount to true Marxist Communism
>only remotely communist societies were Makhnovia, Catalonia, and Andalusia
>didn't even last five years
>"no really guiz commnisim worx! Also the earth is flat, they poison our water with cyanide, chemtrails kill us, vaccines cause autism and we gotta fight government and alien surveilence with tin foil!"
>proceeds to wear aluminum foil
>people start laughing
>"hey, you guys are sheeple! We're Enlightened and trying to help you!"
>everyone laughs even harder
>communigger walks away in rancorous shame, wondering why.
Only the most moronic of idiots accepts communism, you practically have to be psychotic to subscribe to it.

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Human nature is a concept created by capitalism to justify its existence. A better world is possible.

>blames simple facts that contradict you on capitalism to convince others
It's like you belong to a cult.

youtube.com/watch?v=gadfD1Jeiyk

/leftypol/ I don't think you realize that these tactics will never work because Sup Forums has already rejected the false presuppositions which marxism relies upon. Your attempts at controlling a narrative and making propaganda are hilariously autistic which makes me think most of you fanatics haven't actually read jackshit written by any marxists since that's their first avenue of attack. Color me shocked that you marxists are so obviously lazy stupid and inept in your efforts. kek useful(or not) idiots to the end

Of course in a capitalist society human nature would be a selfish thing. Human nature isn't real. We have no "programming" beyond self preservation.

humans "naturally" breathe and eat. humans don't naturally sit in cubicles for 8 hours and take home a $7.25 paycheck or get a $14 million dollar paycheck with full benefits. if we want to run this human nature meme to the ground, we should drop our pants and start running in the woods with spears.

This is b8
Running in the woods without pants and carrying spears is merely the primitive version of taking home those checks while working; so yes they do.

le pinochet xDDDD
helicopter meme xDD

Indeed , our genetic programming of instincts particular to our species evolved in smaller tribes in Africa, not in concrete jungles.

>>Running in the woods without pants and carrying spears is merely the primitive version of taking home those checks while working; so yes they do.
Of course it is a primitive version of whatever is the fundamental essence of earning a living. Humanity has to work to survive, how to go about isn't a done deal that should be accepted as some human nature axiom. The capitalist organization of society has only existed for a few hundred years. Specifically, they are talking about society where businesses and factories are run by a private group of individuals. Under this definition, capitalism hasn't always existed throughout all of human history, where primitive hunter-gatherer, slave, and feudal societies preceded capitalism.

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And notice how none of those societies would qualify as communist.

Le XDDDDD mocking face

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>mfw Venezuela isn't socialist because you have private corporations and socialism is literally the abolition of private corporations.

>>And notice how none of those societies would qualify as communist.
Why would anyone claim that? By definition, those types of societies are not communist, except maybe a hunter-gatherer society.

youtube.com/watch?v=-sEqzEgDZ0g

Straw man. Yugoslavia didn't work and we still call it communist. Albania didn't work either.

Not even the hunters and the gatherers could be considered communist when it was the men who went out, hunted and risked their lives, while the women stayed behind to search vegetation for food and keep the house. The men were the protectors and main providers, which means they therefore had more power than the women, and thrusting those women below as inferior and required only for smaller tasks and the pleasure of breeding. The point here is communism in little to no way than perhaps the absence of money has never existed in human society, while prefigurings to many other forms of contempory government have already existed throughout human history. That is to conclude communism is artificial in addition to being fool-hardy and tested by time as unfeasible.

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'what the living fuck....?'

Did you get your anthropology from the Flintstones?
When has there ever been an ancient society where the 'women' stayed behind?

Nothing in the fossil record suggests that early man didn't hunt as a group of women and men, nor does it suggest that men didn't gather, nor does it suggest that they weren't all nomadic.

Humans ran down their prey even before tools. Humans could sweat, and therefore could run for days without stop. The entire clan would do this - men women children.

Only since the advent of agriculture has mankind developed highly localized societies, and most of them failed due to their impact on the local environment, meaning most of human history has been nomadic. No one 'stayed at home'

...fucking retard....

SAGE AND SIEG

>these butthurt lefty replies
Kek

It was meant to be an example of a more primitive form of government like a patriarchy, that doesn't mean what I said is meant to encapsulate all of hunters and gatherers. The point there is, there will always be social heirarchy as there has always been social heirarchy. Even in the nomad groups, someone or some people were considered authority figures and lead the rest of the group, dividing them into a two class system of the leaders and the followers. You could easily see such a system or a system of similar caliber in among the some of the most nomadic of peoples, the Native Americans.

>The men were the protectors and main providers, which means they therefore had more power than the women, and thrusting those women below as inferior and required only for smaller tasks and the pleasure of breeding.

Even in a communist society there will be elderly and disabled people who won't be able to provide in the same capacity as others. The whole issue of who is more able-bodied, thus must necessarily or "naturally" demand exclusive powers is irrelevant though. Marx brought up the hunter-gatherer society as a primitive communist society for a few reasons.

>Tools are communally owned and earned resources are shared throughout the group
>Lack of distinct and rigid social hierarchies

This is opposed to
>Tools are communally owned but majority of earned resources goes to a lord who offers you protection from a rival lord
>Very rigid social hierarchies of aristocrats and peasants, castes, etc.

Or
>Tools are not owned by the community, instead it is owned by the employer, and the majority of the resources goes to the business owner
>Some social hierarchies like wealth, class, and race

Actually, it's a concept explained by evolution.

>people who accumulated the most resources in hunter gatherer societies could afford to have the most children
>genetic traits associated with selflessness and altruism died off because the people who had them collected fewer resources and produced fewer offspring as a result

Pretty simple, really. I thought communiggers prided themselves on being pro-science? You guys are basically the new creationists.

Not to mention rape has been the most common form of reproduction throughout the vast majority of human and animal history. Possibly the best example of "exploitation" one could find.

>"hunter gatherer societies were gommunist!!"
These guys are a joke.

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>>people who accumulated the most resources in hunter gatherer societies could afford to have the most children
>>genetic traits associated with selflessness and altruism died off because the people who had them collected fewer resources and produced fewer offspring as a result

Are these actual tested scientific statements? Sounds like bro-/sci/ their shitposting.

They're creationist mixed with flat-earthers in that they provide faulty evidence and are frowned upon by people who have a modicum of greater understanding than them of politics.

Communism is a good idea.

Unrestrained capitalism cannot last. NatSoc is a terrible idea, no matter what you fucking StormCucks say.

>Communism is a good idea

And it never goes beyond that

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>"private corporations seized by the government are still private because I said so!!"
>not realizing that corporations are a legal entity to begin with and have existed in combination with governments longer than modern era capitalism itself
eluniversal.com/economia/111209/venezuelan-government-seizes-1087-companies-in-seven-years

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation

>"private corporations seized by the government are still private because I said so!!"
If the corporation is run the by government, it is still a corporation isn't it? Even then, it's a government-run corporation. Instead of the business owners, public share holders, etc, its government officials who run the corporation gets the lion's share of the goods at the end and chooses how to hand it out.

That's why
>socialism is literally the abolition of private corporations.
Corporations need to go. Government-run or private-run.

How are the leftypol guys coordinating their shitposts? Last I checked Hiroshimoot removed their mole within the Janitors.
Is it through Disocrd? Skype? IRC?
I recognize certain flags keep making /leftypol/ threads here on a daily basis, so it must be coordinated in some way.

Once again, communism is proven wrong with ease. You couldn't be more correct user, because the communiggers talk all about the rich boogy man raping everyone yet rape has been part human nature, the argument that Trumps them every time.

Is there a Sup Forums irc?

plz plz no capitalism

They don't need a mole to converge and coordinate their retarded scheme, only a place to meet.

go get exterminated commi scum

>we naturally form heirarchies
>we like excess and ownership
>socialists like GULAGs and North Korea
>other shitty straw arguments and ridiculous assumptions
Your post is bad and you should feel bad.

Wrong.
Hunter gatherer societies (and most societies before Antiquity or so) were nowhere near capitalism.

Strawman.
Yugoslavia is usually considered (by moderate Marxist-Leninists and socialists) to have some good points, and Albania has some recognition among more hardline socialists/communists.

It's only a strawman because you have no counter, so you're trying to discredit the opposition.

Nah. They certainly weren't like a communist society. Otherwise they would have suffered the same fate the people of Holodomor did.

Prove it then.

>men hunted and risked their lives and women stayed home to keep house and gather
This depended largely on the region. The Eskimos didn't have many plants to gather, and even many warm-climate peoples had mixed-sex hunting groups.
>the men were the protectors and main providers
That's a baseless platitude. What constituted the majority of a group's provisions varied greatly by environment. In some regions, more people gathered because it was more viable than hunting.
>women were inferior and were regarded for small tasks and the pleasure of breeding
Wrong. There's pretty much universal consensus among anthropologists that early societies were more egalitarian in gender roles.
Most archaeological evidence and observations of tribal peoples suggests the opposite of your post: that tools, space, land, and other resources are generally held in common.

Please refer to my other posts before you form arguments as to why no one should listen to you.

Hunter gatherer societies (and many small agricultural societies) are/were more cooperative. Within a population, groups of kinship relied on each other to survive and thrive. This is easily observable in many societies in history.

Wrong again. Many animals are polygamous but I have yet to see evidence that rape is the rule and not the exception. Humans in particular are monogamous creatures that tend to form long-term partnerships after a while. It would be kinda hard to do that if rape was in our nature.

What are you trying to show?
>communism is proven wrong with ease.

How? So far you've said that hunter-gatherers rape, (I have no idea if this was inter-tribal warfare, or if this was some accepted unequal norm within the tribe), being un-egalitarian and therefore not communist but you haven't explained away the communistic mode of production.

>rape has been part human nature
Considering the fact that we've dissuaded the general populace from committing rape, this really should be irrelevant to the feasibility of communism.

No I'm not. It was a textbook strawman.
The Holodomor was a result of Stalin being an asshole - stratification on steroids. That wouldn't happen in an egalitarian society, though famines aren't unheard of.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer#Social_and_economic_structure

Socialism is the future, and no amount of autistic screeching by fascist larpers will change that.

No one has been able to refute this video

youtube.com/watch?v=glzXtLvloVo

>Socialism is the future, and no amount of autistic screeching by fascist larpers will change that.
The future never existed, therefore it is impossible
>t.human-naturist

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Not an argument.

No, Fuck off

There isn't any need to explain every aspect of communism because I'm only demonstrating how easy it is for communism to fall apart in real life. The human nature of rape merely proves that while dissuaded, it still happens, and it was prevalent in older times, times that communists claimed were the building blocks of communism. It's human nature to exploit, and that nature is what kills communism.

Babby's own made up argument that isn't a strong one at all, but he can't see that because he is not smart enough :/

Yes you are, communicating what the philosophy of communism has brought historically is an indication of its ineptitude and the dangers of trying to implement such a philosophy, not a strawman. Next time, try not to use words you don't know.

LOL you're using the word "babby" and trying to act like you have any ground to stand on?

Holodomor is a hoax, why do you accept parts of western Anti-Communist propaganda?

Trotskyist?

Let me know when communism succeeds.

I have, but I just woke up so I have no intention of debating with Nazi-LARPers/other fools this morning :)

Napoleon crowned himself Emperor.

Probably redd it or 8

How can Communism recover from the socialist calculation problem?

>crowned
>himself

LOL

A burger that don't know history is nothing new

Leave him be user, he's shitposting.

This is a valid question, but you can't really be a Capitalist and ask that though.

I'm, but I'm on point

I despise good things /thread