The West is Fascist, now here is what I mean. Fascism doesn't just exist in openly authoritarian societies like the Nazis or Ancient Rome but psychological fascism is very prevalent in the West. for example homosexual activity is shunned in the West, in the West if you express yourself freely you will be shunned because of crypto-fascist judeo-Christian values which are still ingrained in our subconscience. It's illegal and laughed at to be publically nude which has it's root in the Proto-Fascist Catholic Church which used a patriarchal religion to control human behavior.
Once you understand this you will easily be able to see fascism in almost every part of Western culture. In fact the whole idea of language is fascist itself, forcing humans to communicate by a set of distinct words created by old white men in England. Humans are meant to be free animals, we communicate how we want and do what we please but thanks to patriarchal society we can't. One way this is enforced is through the patriarch family. Humans are all suppose to be one family but because of corporate-fascism (specifically Oil lobbies) we have created the idea of the nuclear family where each family stays together and has their own house and their own car and the father is the head of the household.
This is true Tyranny, not political correctness or feminism, but subliminal fascism.
OP can't walk around nude and have anal sex with other naked men in the mall.....blames fascists. kek kek
Gabriel Allen
Well, yeah, I think you have a point.
Sure.
It also produces a set of societal values that results in such things as:
Technological advancement. High Standards of Livings Innovation in thinking Advanced cultural achievements. Intolerance for corruption Universal free basic education The promotion of equal rights protected by law. Promotion of individual freedom Legislation to protect the health and safety of workers.
and other such fascist things.
Yeah, I mean we are such fascists. So I wonder why so many people from third world countries want to come and settle in our countries.
Brayden Smith
It's true though, the whole idea of trying to control human behavior, shaming them into acting a certain way, and then illegalizing it is proto-fascism
Lincoln Morris
Yeah sure, the fact that fascism provided all those terrible things is proof it works, sure.
Carter Powell
Amen. I'd also like to point out that no matter how outrageously inviting and tolerant Germans appear to be, it's all just to further our ulterior fascist motives. We harness the powers of international friendship to assume total and unopposed control of your entire existence.
Easton Torres
THIS! Germany still outlaws many things like eating fecus and public sex and all that.
Luke Morris
Some stoned out Canadian hippie, wew. You're spouting 1960's Marxist bullshit and expect us to seriously consider your positions.
John Walker
A
Juan Lopez
It's true, and no Marxism is fascist too, it says the workers MUST work, in my opinion work should be 100% optional
Charles White
>muh social norms and stratification is Fascism >the family was created by Big Oil Oh gross, is this b8 or are you for real op?
Luke Garcia
I get what you're saying but then you aren't really having a society.
Easton Russell
You're gross. Big oil created the family so each family would buy a car and have to build their own house (which costs a shit ton in oil to manufacture) instead of having like 500 people live in a complex and all take public transportation
Ayden Kelly
The system consumes you, that's why it needs to import new people.
John Robinson
Who said society is good? Fuck society.
Oliver Hernandez
You can say that in reaction towards society but I would highly urge you be careful when thinking individualistically like that.
Nobody is saying the individual should be crushed the way Marxists do, rather, it should be promoted. But rampant individualism is chaos.
Ethan Powell
>norms are fascist
Get back in your AIDS grave Foucault.
Caleb Stewart
Sometimes our own evil disgusts me. But only sometimes. Because as the savvy leftist knows, being a kraut means racism and bigotry are in my blood.
Chase Campbell
Your primordial desire for order over chaos is fascist.
Liam Watson
FUCKING
Austin Peterson
Oh damn son, you're the first lefty to finally admit that Marxism is entirely contradictory. I've been trying to argue this for ages but those cunts wouldn't have a bar. I hope you're shitposting on /leftypol/ too.
You're still a degenerate, but props.
The Nuclear Family, as an aesthetic image, certainly was propped up by Capitalism, but the concept of the family in itself has been a reality in all civilizations. Recall the Jewish people, who have had closely knit family and lines of descent for over two thousand years.
I'd believe you, but only if you can prove that the concept of "family" didn't exist in any other civilization or society.
Liam Robinson
Fuck off fascist scum you aren't welcomed here
You disgust me, bigotry and racism isn't in blood, it's an artificial construct created by white males in England to use subliminal imperialism
THIS
Hudson Adams
>The Nuclear Family, as an aesthetic image, certainly was propped up by Capitalism, but the concept of the family in itself has been a reality in all civilizations. Recall the Jewish people, who have had closely knit family and lines of descent for over two thousand years. Yes but the family was the whole tribe. In Israel Moses considered every Jew he saved to be part of his family. I'm saying the West should be like that, everyone is a giant family. Screw "mom" "dad" everyone is a brother or sister.
Kind of like the Bible how we're all brothers but fuck religion
Julian Hughes
> Implying fascism is bad.
If Hitler hadn't started a stupid war and hadn't expelled top scientists because they were jewish. Germany would be today the most important nation on earth.
Benjamin James
You mean I can save myself from eternal crypto fascism? What do I need to do? Do I start slowly or just outright start sucking dicks at gay parades?
Lincoln Gutierrez
what the fuck even is this thread
what did Sup Forums become
>implying everyone on Sup Forums isn't a national socialist or at least fascist
Samuel Stewart
no, it's just called cultural norms, every society in history has had them
Ryder Carter
The thing is we do need that control or else the whole world would just diddle dogs like we do
Isaiah White
>I'm saying the West should be like that, everyone is a giant family. We already do, egalitarianism is a thing friendo. As a matter of fact, National Socialism or Fascism is this philosophy manifest, with both the recognition of private property, but the greater good for all the peoples of that nation. A nation is essentially an extended family.
>Yes but the family was the whole tribe. Families still very much existed, but Jews loved all their people as if they were family. You're twisting what Moses said and applying that to their general being.
>Screw "mom" "dad" everyone is a brother or sister. Good luck finding an example of this in history that isn't Cambodia or a cult.
Nathan Phillips
That would help actually because you'd learn about the LGBT culture and possibly discover yourself, that you are gay. Many gays are repressed into believing they are straight like me. I thought I was straight until my prof taught me to find myself and I found I'm gay
>implying America isn't Nazi Germany with all the bigotry towards minorities
Well everyone can learn, even Sup Forums
No, Native Americans lived how they wanted to live, same with Australian aboriginals and Germanic and Celtic pagans.
Maybe the world should take a fucking chill pill and smoke some weed
Isaac Turner
And that is, in my opinion, a good thing.
Ryan Powell
>We already do, egalitarianism is a thing friendo. As a matter of fact, National Socialism or Fascism is this philosophy manifest, with both the recognition of private property, but the greater good for all the peoples of that nation. A nation is essentially an extended family. If you want to call it a family it was a very dysfunctional family that disowned many members for things they couldn't control, like Jews, Blacks, Homosexuals, Disabled people, etc
>Families still very much existed, but Jews loved all their people as if they were family. You're twisting what Moses said and applying that to their general being. I'm saying if the Jews can love each-other as a family, even Jews they have no connection with or haven't even met why can't that same reasoning apply to the world
>Good luck finding an example of this in history that isn't Cambodia or a cult. Native Americans, they saw everyone as a human and loved all and were peaceful. Same with Celtic Pagans
Ryder Morris
>If you want to call it a family it was a very dysfunctional family that disowned many members for things they couldn't control, like Jews, Blacks, Homosexuals, Disabled people, etc Thus is the nature of family, one cannot have a concept of inclusion without first excluding.
>why can't that same reasoning apply to the world Because Jews don't love anyone else just as much. Reminder that the only reason we're only able to talk about the Jews as an ethnic and cultural group as we speak, with a coherent history, is because they excluded other people.
>Native Americans, they saw everyone as a human and loved all and were peaceful. Same with Celtic Pagans Ok, at the moment we're hitting a crisis of definition and context. You argued the family never existed, but now you're trying to argue that we should all love one another and trying to find examples of such. I want examples where we as a species had no concept of family.
I personally am descended from the Celts, my last name derives from a very old family tree.
Also, I'd personally consider a tribal cooperative to be a family, since the tribe could only exist as long as it recognizes it's being and excluded.
Jace Martinez
You don't need a state micromanaging the morals of the populace for there to be a society. We've always had norms. In tribal societies we've read about and observed there have always been strict rules of conduct that have been organically formed through traditions and culture.
If someone wants to be gay let them. If no one wants to associate with him or hire him or give him an apartment that's their right too. The state doesn't have to do shit. If someone doesn't want to work, and nobody wants to pay for their food and shelter they're free to starve. That's their right.
Noah Lopez
>Thus is the nature of family, one cannot have a concept of inclusion without first excluding. Read Fromm, he states that if love is not unconditional and to all, it is not true love. I believe that shit, if you only love certain people that means you don't really love them, you just are attached to them via chemicals in the brain
>Because Jews don't love anyone else just as much. Reminder that the only reason we're only able to talk about the Jews as an ethnic and cultural group as we speak, with a coherent history, is because they excluded other people. And that's a bad thing, we wouldn't need to have this conversation if everyone included everyone
>Ok, at the moment we're hitting a crisis of definition and context. You argued the family never existed, but now you're trying to argue that we should all love one another and trying to find examples of such. I want examples where we as a species had no concept of family. Native Americans, they slit up tribes based on geo-graphical location but all loved and gave eachother shit without even asking
>I personally am descended from the Celts, my last name derives from a very old family tree. Same with me, descend from Cornish Celts and couldn't be more proud my ancestors believed in what I believe.
>Also, I'd personally consider a tribal cooperative to be a family, since the tribe could only exist as long as it recognizes it's being and excluded. They don't have to be exclusive, they could be all accepting of others.
Landon Long
I'll bite.
>homosexual activity is shunned in the West Explain to me how anti-homosexual attitudes make Western Countries Nationalist Militaristic One-Party states which practice government intervention to achieve self-sustaining economies.
Oh wait, you can't, because you're a fucking retard who doesn't know what Fascism means.
Ayden Kelly
Uhh, no. Those people are imported to break the system, not to continue it. Literally Cloward-Piven.
Christopher Stewart
If you knew how to read you would read how I explained how fascism isn't just openly dictatoral like that, it's often subliminal.
Owen White
First paragraph : Yes, indeed. Second paragraph : No.
Fascism = order Anarchy = chaos
We strive for balance between both. And you should be glad there is so much order in the west. In more chaotic lands, there's also more looting, raping and killing.
Jace Butler
We don't need order, that whole concept of benevolent order was created by and for the establishment.
Kevin Campbell
>We don't need order t. retard who never lived in a ghetto
Michael Jenkins
Ghettos are created by the corporate-fascist consumerist Reagan culture. Reagan actually created them by declearing the fascist war on drugs
John Cruz
>Fascism means whatever I want it to mean It's a political Ideology, not whatever the fuck you claim it is.
John Clark
>Read Fromm, he states that if love is not unconditional and to all, it is not true love. How is love not true if it doesn't apply to all? What's to stop me from saying; "love is something earned, thus I only love those who I want", just as much validity in that statement as what Fromm said.
>if you only love certain people that means you don't really love them, you just are attached to them via chemicals in the brain What makes you say this? Everything is based on chemicals in the brain.
>And that's a bad thing, we wouldn't need to have this conversation if everyone included everyone The world you advocate is a super collective, a world of grey. In your world, culture and color would be purged, and ultimately, Earth would be colder and sadder than ever in it's history. I advocate for concepts relating to exclusion, the family and Nationalism because this maximizes and preserves the very things you love just as much as I do.
For example, how on earth can we even appreciate the diversity of life on this planet, if we didn't recognize and respect every single group as it's own self contained group? Exclusion is a necessity if you want to live in a great world.
Unconditional love then makes love absolutely meaningless, and purging all forms of stratification removes what makes life so awesome. How on earth can you appreciate the heat, without first experiencing the cold? We don't know what up is without first knowing what down is. That's exclusion, and by me gaining a contextual understanding for my own existence by comparing it to another family, tribe or individual, which I then judge based on merit and values, the world is far better off.
>but all loved and gave eachother shit without even asking Did the Apaches love the other tribe when they scalped them?
>pic related only exists because they loved themselves more than others
Isaiah Hall
You're being such a feudalist now I can't even.
Thomas Johnson
>Ghettos are created by the corporate-fascist consumerist Reagan culture.
Yeah I'm sure they never existed before Reagan, you idiot mouth breather. Your pseudo-intellectual word salad is about the peak of your understanding of anything it seems.
>Reagan actually created them by declearing the fascist war on drugs
Woah yeah dude, minorities never ever congregated in shitty neighborhoods because they couldn't afford better housing or were denied it. That only happened when Reagan declared the war on drugs. :^) Mental midget.
>How is love not true if it doesn't apply to all? What's to stop me from saying; "love is something earned, thus I only love those who I want", just as much validity in that statement as what Fromm said. Then that's not love, that's respect, but not love, if you are only loving someone through certain conditions then that's not love. It's at most an emotional exchange.
>What makes you say this? Everything is based on chemicals in the brain. Not love, and I mean true love not the bullshit hook up culture today that we call love
>The world you advocate is a super collective, a world of grey. In your world, culture and color would be purged, and ultimately, Earth would be colder and sadder than ever in it's history. I advocate for concepts relating to exclusion, the family and Nationalism because this maximizes and preserves the very things you love just as much as I do. Yeah but our world is grey as well, because the fact that all these cultures exclude others we will never get to experience them. We will never experience Jewish culture, Russian culture, German culture, African culture, Asian culture because in a nationalist world they won't let us in. In my world we can experience any culture from the past because we all respect each-other and share our pasts with eachother
>Unconditional love then makes love absolutely meaningless, and purging all forms of stratification removes what makes life so awesome. How on earth can you appreciate the heat, without first experiencing the cold? We don't know what up is without first knowing what down is. That's exclusion, and by me gaining a contextual understanding for my own existence by comparing it to another family, tribe or individual, which I then judge based on merit and values, the world is far better off. That may be true with respect, honour, trust, but with love, we must love all other humans bec COMMENT TOO LONG
Robert Hill
THis
>Yeah I'm sure they never existed before Reagan, you idiot mouth breather. Your pseudo-intellectual word salad is about the peak of your understanding of anything it seems. sure buddy
>Woah yeah dude, minorities never ever congregated in shitty neighborhoods because they couldn't afford better housing or were denied it. That only happened when Reagan declared the war on drugs. :^) Mental midget. The most poor places in America before Reagan were like this and you could hardly call this a ghetto
>It's at most an emotional exchange. Yeah, what of it though? What is "true love" but not just an exchange of worth and values? I respect Humanity, but I only love those who deserve it, to extend by will and to devote myself to someone requires reason to do so.
You're advocating for unconditional love, which is kinda Authoritarian yo. You can't tell me who to love and who not to.
>Not love, and I mean true love not the bullshit hook up culture today that we call love Why is my love, for only those who deserve it, based on brain activity, but not yours?
>In my world we can experience any culture from the past because we all respect each-other and share our pasts with eachother The nature of inclusion is exclusion. One cannot be a self contained entity without first being contextualized by it's opposition. Thus, diversity of cultures can only exist if they all recognize themselves and each other as separate organisms.
You want a world where Jews don't exclude, thus cease to exist, but also enjoy a world where Jews exist and their culture thrives. Choose one friendo!
Grayson Thomas
>sure buddy
Nice retort, fucknugget. :^) Segregation caused ghettos to exist since the Irish came on over. Nothing you say will change that. Your Reagan boogeyman had as much of an impact on the development of the earliest ghettos as Pluto did on the first world war. None.
>The most poor places in America before Reagan were like this and you could hardly call this a ghetto
>posts a fictional movie clip and not real life examples
l:^) You're actually retarded, aren't you?
Dylan Ramirez
>You're advocating for unconditional love, which is kinda Authoritarian yo. You can't tell me who to love and who not to. True love is loving someone because they are not for WHO they are. Loving someone for WHO they are means that if they were anything other than your artificially created standard you wouldn't love them.
Also Nietzsche was weak.
>Why is my love, for only those who deserve it, based on brain activity, but not yours? Mine is based on goodness and care for humanity and equal rights
>The nature of inclusion is exclusion. One cannot be a self contained entity without first being contextualized by it's opposition. Thus, diversity of cultures can only exist if they all recognize themselves and each other as separate organisms. Not true, for example hair colour. Whites have every type of hair colour and have for thousands of years but we don't exclude others based on it and we don't cease to exist either.
Austin Morales
>HAHA U USED A MOVIE ARGUMENT INVALID >I'm USING REALLL HISTORY!!!!!
You know history is bullshit right? It's all written by bullshit scholars who write whatever the ruling class at the time wants them to write. Real history is actually not known by many people
>True love is loving someone because they are not for WHO they are. Loving someone for WHO they are means that if they were anything other than your artificially created standard you wouldn't love them. What of it though? My love is loving someone based on my standards, I still love them. I measure things based on their worth and value to me. Thus how it should be. Why is this bad? It means we maximize the beauty of Humanity, standard and exclusion creates beauty.
>Mine is based on goodness and care for humanity and equal rights How is this love? Why, oh why, is my love not true love, but yours is? You need to prove to me that universal love is true love, but my love isn't love. Love love love, I've never debated love so much.
>Not true, for example hair colour. Whites have every type of hair colour and have for thousands of years but we don't exclude others based on it and we don't cease to exist either. pic related, I remember when I used to think like you. The white race currently does not reproduce enough to beat migrant fertility rates, it will cease to exist in the next century.
Dylan Baker
shut the hell up
Zachary Ramirez
>You want a world where Jews don't exclude, thus cease to exist, but also enjoy a world where Jews exist and their culture thrives. Choose one friendo! I actually would like you to answer this. Choose one please.
Thomas Gomez
>HAHA U USED A MOVIE ARGUMENT INVALID >I'm USING REALLL HISTORY!!!!!
Thanks for confirming my suspicions on your lack of chromosomes. Own up that you actually have no evidence to support your MUH REAGAN position and maybe you'll finally achieve self-awareness.
>You know history is bullshit right? It's all written by bullshit scholars who write whatever the ruling class at the time wants them to write. Real history is actually not known by many people
>gets called out for being a brain cell deficient nematode for posting a movieclip as "evidence" >proceeds to post a meme video by "SUB SPIRIT SCIENCE" >still couldn't post tangible evidence like photographs to counter mine that show the existence of ghettos before Reagan >can't argue so proceeds to question all of history
Wow like, stop posting anytime.
Chase Morris
tl;dr
Owen Hernandez
>What of it though? My love is loving someone based on my standards, I still love them. I measure things based on their worth and value to me. Thus how it should be. Why is this bad? It means we maximize the beauty of Humanity, standard and exclusion creates beauty. You measure love? That's fucked up man, love isn't suppose to be measured it's suppose to be felt. There is no scientific formula for love, it's within our hearts
>How is this love? Why, oh why, is my love not true love, but yours is? You need to prove to me that universal love is true love, but my love isn't love. Love love love, I've never debated love so much. Because your love is selfish, it's based on how much emotional service people can provide you, it's no different than paying someone for service at a restaurant
>pic related, I remember when I used to think like you. The white race currently does not reproduce enough to beat migrant fertility rates, it will cease to exist in the next century. Yeah but that's because birthrates need to go up, and the reason they are held down is because the establishment wants less people and flouride in the water and shit.
William Lopez
I want Jews to exist and to be welcomed and integrated with the goyim. PEACE
Caleb Myers
If you watch the video you'd know it's redpilled it even calls out the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. You're actually dumb Reagan was the worst man ever he created this crypto-ultra-nationalist-fascist world we live in.
No one cares
Charles Morales
>You measure love? That's fucked up man, love isn't suppose to be measured it's suppose to be felt. There is no scientific formula for love, it's within our hearts Is this an appeal to emotion? I feel this is a fallacy.
>Because your love is selfish, it's based on how much emotional service people can provide you, it's no different than paying someone for service at a restaurant Well, we kinda do this all the time. I measure someone based on their values, nothing wrong with that. How is that bad?
Also yes and no. I love my brothers because they have helped my life so much in regard to entertainment, affection, bonding and support, love is the most personal means of interrelationship, trade manifest. Love also constructs standards in which to base things off. Reminder supreme beauty doesn't exist without standards.
>Yeah but that's because birthrates need to go up, and the reason they are held down is because the establishment wants less people and flouride in the water and shit. Why do you think the establishment wants whites to go away? They want the exact same world as you, a collective grey globalist earth where they can control everyone because no one has identity, self respect and any concept of the "other". The "other" creates context.
idk man I'm beginning to feel like this is bait, no offence but it feels like you get most of your philosophical opinions off the School of Life.
>I want Jews to exist and to be welcomed and integrated with the goyim. PEACE This is just a cop out and you know it, you can't have one or the other. "I want them to have no identity or attachment to their own culture more than others, but for others to enjoy the fruits of their being of reality being respected by themselves". You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Isaiah Torres
>school of life Wait are you serious? You know of that shit? That's literally where I get everything, you don't even need to argue with me watch their vids I am a HUGE fan of that. I basically am them in Canadian form.
Chase Bailey
I've been played like a damn fiddle
Wyatt Nelson
>If you watch the video you'd know it's redpilled it even calls out the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers.
Jokes on you, I saw this video years ago. Just as retarded today as it was then. :^)
>drivel about magic, martians, and other unsourced bullshit pulled out of the creator's ass >pls watch i swear it's redpilled, y-you like redpilled stuff r-right?
Both a normal citizen and a schizophrenic could call out the Rothschilds but that doesn't change the fact that the schizophrenic is nuts. Of course that's a little too harsh of a comparison because you're simply a gullible retard whose brain fell out of the head you kept open wide to all sorts of fascinating ideas. :^)
>You're actually dumb Reagan was the worst man ever he created this crypto-ultra-nationalist-fascist world we live in.
>say nothing about Reagan being good >spend entire time calling OP a retard for saying that Reagan created ghettos >still can't provide any evidence to support position so calls me dumb
And there's the word salad again. :^) Maybe you should stop blaming your failures at life on a Hollywood star turned president whose biggest accomplishment was bankrupting the commies. Also,
>Reagan was the worst man ever
You're either a pothead hippie or a faggot who bought into 1980's new-age mysticism if you think he's the worst to ever walk the Earth or by himself created the world we live in.
>inb4 more links to /x/-tier stupidity
Face it, you're a primordial insect when it comes to proving anything and relies on people just taking your word for the vomit coming out of your mouth. Stop posting. :^^^)
