New California Gun Laws

Well Sup Forums it appears that if you're travelling into California by car there are some more things to think about. Currently the rules for anyone temporary visiting are they may transport by motor vehicle any handgun provided it is unloaded and locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container. Furthermore, the handgun must be carried directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while being carried must be contained within a locked container.

Pursuant to California Penal Code section 16850, the term "locked container" means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment.

With the new rules that go into effect in stages into 2018

>you will need to purchase a permit to transfer ammunition into the state
>your weapon cannot have a magazine larger than 10 rounds
>you will need to coordinate with a CA FFL the transfer of ammunition into the state

Be careful. You don't want some ridiculous gun charge that puts you on a list the left eventually bans guns by.

>compliance with local laws

If theres one thing that owning firearms in Chicago for over twenty years has taught me its this: don't ever play ball. Once you start running around to comply with ridiculous laws that you're never going to get busted over you find yourself giving up inch after inch. Registration? Fuck you. Carry ban? I haven't been searched by a cop in my adult life. Assault weapon ban? I was 17 the last time a cop searched my car, I've never had a cop in my home. Keep your head down, don't be an idiot, and wait for your McDonald moment.

Don't worry. Trump will BTFO California when the Feds and a revamped SCOTUS finally force all states to have reciprocal concealed carry laws.

Isn't the magazine destruction unconstitutional? Isn't it ex post facto?

Would you get an illegal weapon or some other charge if you got into the McDonald's moment and used it? That just seems so restrictive.

>reciprocal carry laws

This is a very bad idea. It would be a major short term victory, but long term I have zero interest in the federal government having any hand in concealed carry. Can you imagine if someone like Feinstein managed to get a say in carry regulations 30 or 40 years from now? It would be like the 55mph speed limit or the 21 year drinking age.

McDonald was the case where Chicago's handgun ban was overturned.

Anyway, life is about probabilities. The probability of needing a gun is low, the probability of having to fire it is low, the probability of the State actually seeking a charge if you have a clean record and the shooting was otherwise justified is low. The State depends on the threat of a charge to scare you. They depend on you believing that the criminal justice system works, that everyone is punished to the fullest extent of the law, that resources are not thin, and that police are more than armed meter maids or are otherwise capable of figuring out which random law abiding citizen is armed.

Once you start breaking the laws you figure out what criminals have known since time immemorial: government employees are the same combination of lazy and incompetent as employees everywhere else.

kek. Glad you can work around it. Once licensed here the gun penalties go up to felonies in certain cases with alcohol involved. Which is fine. If you want to carry don't get drunk.

The main argument Trump made is that you don't need a special driver's licence to drive across states. So technically you shouldn't need any different type of permit to carry your weapons. Driving is a privilege while carrying is right protected by the constitution.

How far will Trump go to insure this actually happens?

The potential penalties go up, but I'd be genuinely shocked if DAs were routinely approving felony prosecution for ordinary folks with no criminal records who were caught in violation of a gun law while not being involved in any other criminal activity. Even in liberal California, thats a waste of resources and begging for a reversal.

Its an interesting argument, but the uniform requirements states have for driving cars that have lead to universal reciprocity didn't happen accidentally or overnight. The federal government has tied having uniform laws regarding licenses and cars to all kinds federal funds (see how we ended up with 21 being the drinking age). The NRA goal is constitutional carry; national reciprocity would be a short-term victory but a long-term loss.

It's hard to say but guaranteed pro 2A judges seem to turn over state laws every once in a while. You have to expect someone to sue, 9th to affirm lower court ruling and some of this could end up in front of the SC. Gun grabbers suck.

IF WE DONT HAVE GUNS OR AMMO (OR TRUCKS) WE CAN LET IN ALL THE REFUGEES WE WANT! :))))

#BAN GUNS NOT LOVE

>travelling
>What is FOPA

The trick to staying out of jail is to not be a social menace nigger.

This or be really really really really really really really really really good

How is any of that constitutional?

Have the 3 straight white men left in California just stopped even trying?

Where the fuck is the NRA?

It seems California has now defined a social menace nigger as someone who owns a handgun with a 15 round mag or drives into their state with some ammo.

Lol make me California.

You don't even have to be that good. I'm an upstanding doctor today, but I spent my late teens through my early twenties drinking heavily, driving drunk multiple times weekly, using cocaine more or less daily, and earning most of my money working "collections and security." I've never been arrested. I'll say that the reason I'm not in jail today is because my wife straightened me out, but the reality is that if you're a white guy who doesn't act like an animal in public too often you can get away with almost anything.

The NRA seems to step in once they have standing. Can't start suing until someone is actually affected by the law. I'm sure we'll see what's constitutional surrounding this at some point. It seems a long way from 'shall not be infringed'

Calibro here

NOW IS THE TJME TO PUSH CALIEXIT! WE NEED A NATION WITH THESE FUCKING RULES TO PROVE HOW STUPID IT IS! PLEASE HELP ME CAMPAIGN FOR CALEXIT THIS YEAR! IT'S OUR ONLY CHANCE TO EVER SEE SUCH LULZ!

are you sure you want to live in a country with those shitty laws and an immense amount of spics and nigs?

Did this thread get deleted on /k/?

I mean, fuck, I know the mods don't like gun control threads, but this one is kinda fucking relevant

I couldn't agree with you more. Anifra is all over calexit. Why not just vote them out and be done with them.

STATE OF JEFFERSON WHEN

The politicians keep getting reelected by the people who agree with them.
Progun people are simply outnumbered in places like California. For now, it's simply a lost cause trying to change them.

united we stand" cannot be overridden again. You will be forced to surrender or be destroyed. Unless that is you want MAD of california

Shieeet I'll just go back to AZ nig. I ain't stayin here if these niggas seceed.

State law topics are firmly Sup Forums. Not surprised if the autistic mods deleted them from /k/

>mfw live in northeast second most liberal part of united states
>see California threads about more liberal cuck laws California keeps making

Please keep it up California you make Massachusetts look like texas

Yet 50 threads per day are allowed about stupid NFA requirements

don't forget the rise of muh bodgdanov /x/ fags infiltrating Sup Forums with their aay theories

Quick question, do you have to wait 10 goddamn days between buying a handgun and getting it or have a wait period between buying handguns?

Legitimate question, because I wanna know how cucked Commiefornia is to the East coast.

>Buy gun
>wait 10 days before you can receive gun
>doesn't matter if you are a gun owner already

California is fucking retarded and thinks it stops suicidal people from impulsively buying and blowing their brains out.

Anyone familiar with depression and suicide knows that suicidal thoughts comes in waves, it isn't always constant. Just because they may calm down within 7 days doesn't mean they won't think about blowing their brains out on day 12.

This state is shit.

>10 goddamn days between buying a handgun and getting it or have a wait period between buying handguns?

Correct. Even if you have previously purchased a gun. Gotta let the blood cool down. Who knows what impulses you might indulge in.

how do i vote on this shit?
I didn't see any prop shits in the vote by mail pamphlet, just names of people.

Here you can walk in, get the BG check on site and walk out all in a couple hours if they're busy. If you have a CHL you don't need the BG check so it's in and out. It sucks for you calibros. Beautiful state has been destroyed by the radical left.

California loves their propositions and they're powerful. I'm not sure where this one came from but there's a source in the pic. Could have been another 'pass it to see what's in it' CA politicians like so much.

seems like it already passed. I wonder if this is one of those props were information is mailed only to a few neighborhoods or kept on the down low until after it's passed.

Already done. The fuckers in the state approved it 63-37.

You keep saying it would be a long-term loss, but I don't see you posting pictures of your crystal ball ffs.

I'd like to see reciprocity (for carry and for transiting across states) and if the NRA were behind the legislation I will put more stock in their suggestions.

The "great idea NOW but not in 20 years" argument is weak

are there any stats as to how many people voted?

Yes-8,663,159
No-5,070,772

Pre-fucking-cisely.

Also, I'm not American, but isn't there an article in your constitution that defines that no new law can be retroactively enforced? Would things like already existing mags and rifles be excempt?

this is a good question

Do you know what article that is? I'd like to have a look.

I can't think of what it would be off the top of my head...

>Californians
>caring about the constitution
that fucking state needs to be invaded and everyone in it needs to be executed

Article 1 Section 9.

Not sure it would be struck down if challenged.

hopefully youll get invaded/nuked

found it, and yes, it is A1S9
>In U.S. Constitutional Law, the definition of what is ex post facto is more limited. The first definition of what exactly constitutes an ex post facto law is found in Calder v Bull (3 US 386 [1798]), in the opinion of Justice Chase:

>"1st. Every law that makes an action done before the passing of the law, and which was innocent when done, criminal; and punishes such action. 2d. Every law that aggravates a crime, or makes it greater than it was, when committed. 3d. Every law that changes the punishment, and inflicts a greater punishment, than the law annexed to the crime, when committed. 4th. Every law that alters the legal rules of evidence, and receives less, or different, testimony, than the law required at the time of the commission of the offense, in order to convict the offender."

As a Californian stuck here... I cannot wait to finally have enough cash saved up to move to Florida.

Fuck this state. Fuck traffic, all the mexicans, smog, high taxes, expensive food, expensive gas, insane rent, crappy roads, gun laws, (((hollywood))), and all the shitty people here.

You're moving from one shitty state to another shitty state (albeit with better gun laws)

Protip: the Constitution is a ceremonial document under our new corporate leaders.

just so you all know, these laws are a direct copy of the NY safe act

fuck new england

Where is the promise land eh?

This whole country is a fucking joke. At least in Florida I have family, it's cheaper, better gun laws to protect against dindu's, and the tropical climate.

Nah. Florida people are quite a lot nicer than Califags.

Did they go through with all the same laws? It's almost as if they all want to emulate chicago.

Mountain West honestly. But don't tell anyone

It's a glorified swamp with disgusting humidity and insects and disease

Theres gotta be some lawyer willing to challenge that one dammit

>yfw all these will all be struck down by court challenges but Cali will still waste millions trying to track ammo and mags in the meantime, not to mention the legal costs when the NRA ILA gets into it

>Implying the NRA gives a fuck about anything but blocking the importation of foreign milsurp

just like there's an ammendment in the constitution that says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?

>implying it won't be worded in a way as it not infringing on your right to keep and bear arms, only ammunition. Also, all the channels for you to purchase and feed ammo into your weapon remain available, just slightly neutered.
As for retroactive laws, there's hardly a way to argue it being constitutional.

>Ammunition licenses
What about people who reload?

This

>Stockpiling gunpowder
It's like you expect the Democratic People's Republic of California to treat reloaders as anything but terrorists

>magazine destruction
do you want snakes? cause that's how you get snakes.

yeah, Im sure criminals and terrorists will totally follow those laws

>Pedohpilia being legalised, heroin being normalised.
>Gotta outlaw the 2nd amendment.
When the fuck will any country nuke the shithole that is California.

>wake up early morning
>have breakfast
>drive down to gun store/range
>pick out a gun and get a box of ammo and try it out
>dont like it
>get another one and another box of cheap ammo and try that
>pretty good
>buy gun and case
>take it home

you can get some shots down range and purchase a firearm before noon supper. why are flyover states bad again?

yay trump will totally overturn are stupid gun laws

>Tracked by a DOJ database
That means they are already doing it.

>can't bring ammo or >10rd mags into California
Welp guess I won't be going to California

National reciprocity was attempted sometime in 2011/2012 if I recall. The bill was voted down by enough, including Ron Paul, which is about all you need to know.

Why? Of course to enforce national reciprocity they needed a national database.

Battles of Lexington and Concord were started over the British trying to take powder and ammunition stores of the Colonials.

Don't comply like faggots. Liberty or Death.

nice.

>noon supper

is that like, lunch?

>Texas Academy store
>Walk in and buy a shotgun with ammo
>15 minutes later, man walks me to cashier
>30 seconds later, cashier walks me to door
>45 minutes later, shooting clay pigeons with new shotgun
I like this state

Wow. Makes me feel a little better about my situation here with the EU.

>have tough ammo laws
>Arizona and Nevada are right down the freeway
Wew this law is going to work wonders.

Maybe they mean California DoJ?

Tyrell and Emanuel already have their gloks with 15 round mags. All they have to do is that the 7 hour round trip to stock up on 9mm in Arizona. No ID needed.

you can only buy one handgun in a 30 day period. You can buy as many other weapons (rifles, etc.) as your heart desires. Each weapon you buy has to sit in the gun shop's safe for 10 days after you paid for it for you to pick it up.

thanks for helping it pass. Next time read your damn ballot and stop being fucking lazy.

there are 6 million gun owners in California - 1 million of them apparently are brain dead.

Now, if you just put sensible software engineers on this you wouldn't need a national database. All you need to be able to do is verify, through some sort of public API, whether a person with a given driver's license is licensed for a concealed carry permit. Nobody needs to have a fucking centralized database. You just need publicly callable APIs, and each state gets to do its own thing.

>function anonIsAuthorizedForCarry(sLicense, sKey, p3) { return true; }

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it just opens up a black market for ammo unintended consequences by the democrats in the state legislature - faggots ever single one of them. bet not a one ever served in the military because if they had they wouldn't propose such laws or would be able to educate their fellow politicians.

just nuke this shithole already

I assume celebrity bodyguards will be exempt

nope not even retired law enforcement officers will be exempt (like they normally are).

Best state gets better
>gunfags don't like these laws
So they don't live here? Bonus.

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at this point why doesn't california just outright ban guns?

They've made it obvious they don't want them, and have no regard for the constitution.

Has anyone purchased 22LR ammo recently? Not shit Mexican stuff but CCI mini mags, for example. It was briefly available before the election, then dried up again.

That's always my easy litmus test for who controls things.

Cool.
Now everyone who's considered kidnapping and ransoming a Commiefornian millionaire will know just how many bullets their bodyguards are able to fire.

This country has two swamps - Washington DC and California. Drain 'em both!