Question for socialists

Question for socialists
What is stopping your from starting a commune?

taxes

Someone to do all the work for them to leach off of.

Lack of land availability at affordable prices combined with the necessity of living in an urban area for employment, the same thing stopping Sup Forums righties from setting up right-wing communities.

>Lack of land availability
land is cheap
>urban area for employment
detroit is even cheaper
>right-wing communities.
the hutterites are rapidly expanding

no means of production. we need them first.

why cant you create your own means of production?

because the power of capital is oppressing us.

how?
you guys always have plenty of money for weed and hair dye.

because we all want to buy a crackhouse and work in a gas station

>right-wing communities.
They'd all just start fighting over who gets to be Hitler.

One thing that is oppressing you is your skull, use this to free from oppression.

Right wing safety squads

>I am OP
>I have a distorted world view
>I believe half the population are evil socialists
>I mean look at how many votes Obongo and crooked Hillary got
>socialists are idiots who reject society and want to live in a commune
>but hey, somehow they aren't
>something must be stopping them
>let's put a post on Sup Forums and ask what's stopping them
>I am OP
>I am a complete moron

pic related. we have enough to survive for sure, but that's all.

the capitalistic system is rotten and trickle down simply do not work.

>buy a crackhouse
fix it up
>work in a gas station
convert an abandoned warehouse into some other business

mostly the fact that i'd need to associate with annoying, entitled, lazy, incompetent white druggies like pic related.

>Obongo and crooked Hillary
>socialists

that was a good one lad.

the lack of qts

Why do you need weed and hair dye to survive?
What do retards who voted for Hillary want?

They look like perfectly nice people to me, let go of your anger user & join us in a drum circle.

lol no.
how about some roped capitalists?

renovations that cost more than you have in equity with the condemned crackhouse, then you're still surrounded by other crackhouses

starting a business in an economy that Zimbabwean

these are the original reasons that the city fell

I don't understand how you got all of that straw from OP's question.

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>renovations that cost more
things cost money
welcome to reality
>surrounded by other crackhouses
so?
>starting a business in an economy that Zimbabwean
its not that bad
the suburbs are doing fine

Stop shitposting pickle merchant or I will go and steal your yogurt.

>What do retards who voted for Hillary want?
YASSSSSS QUEEN

>weed

is for faggs. those are not real socialists.

Clinton voters wanted to focus on high quality jobs in a digital economy not just bribing CEOs to bring in a few hundred factory jobs at minimum wage. To continue the Obama doctrine of international isolationism and defunding of israel. Mostly democrats just wanted to avoid the amnesty for illegal immigrants that (((Trump))) has promised.

t. PvdA stemmer

but hair dye is ok?
>CEOs to bring in a few hundred factory jobs at minimum wage.
automation is making factory jobs highly skilled and paid positions
> To continue the Obama doctrine of international isolationism
lel
>Mostly democrats just wanted to avoid the amnesty for illegal immigrants that (((Trump))) has promised.
ok so this is just a troll post
thanks for the bump anyway

(((Trump))) has vowed to put US boots on the ground in syria and iraq. Obama kept us out of that.

>Obama kept us out of that
no he hasn't

Trump said he wants to give amnesty to all mexicans you retard.

when our revolution succeed we gonna reeducate your thievish gypsy ass to honorable labor. remember that.

>Trump said he wants to give amnesty to all mexicans you retard.
where

Obama literally started the conflict in Syria. you democrats are a special kind of brainwashed.

Too lazy to spend three months without Internet with the Amish folks in order to learn the skills that would let them live relatively isolated from modern society. Gotta tweet about how capitalism is holding you down at least twice a day man, can't do that from a barn with no signal now can you?

It's a shame too, the Amish are pretty cool people.

my inability to function as a human being

Socialism/communism isn't a commune or a lifestyle, it's a world system that replaces capitalism.
As long as the capitalist mode of production exists anywhere in the world, socialism/communism cannot exist.

Wouldn't more people creating communes help towards that goal?

>Bulgarian calling someone a gypo

You better be careful I might steal your pickles as well.

No. If they ever became massive enough to oppose capitalism, they'd be crushed immediately. That's assuming things would get to that level without massive industry being owned, which would not happen.

No you see the Middle and Upper class spoiled brats will lead the Working Class to world revolution. Since we all know they have the competency to do it.

No VVD actually
maar OP is gewoon een mongolio

>If they ever became massive enough to oppose capitalism, they'd be crushed immediately.
how?
>That's assuming things would get to that level without massive industry being owned, which would not happen.
why not?

underrated post

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>commune
That's not how you build socialism, kiddo

A factory is a lot more expensive, and if you need factories to supply for all your (basic) needs, even more.

They all hate socialism worse than us. All they want is revolution. And once the revolution is over, they will find new things to revolt over and persecute everyone else for being reactionary, like muslims who keep jihading even in 100% muslim societies. They have no idea what socialism looks like or how it would work. All they care about is destroying. "The state will just sort of somehow wither away." That was Karl 'Jude' Marx's grand plan after he had finished wrecking Western civilisation. I.e. there was no plan. Marxist theory stops at the end of destruction.

>how?
Go look at every failed Communist/socialist revolution and you'll see how.
>why not?
Impracticality. Logistical and financial. The point is to destroy capitalism completely, not to run businesses within it.

>power of capital is oppressing us
What about tech startups?
There's no startup costs besides your own labor.

hitler was voted as the party leader.

Because delusional socialists like all the fruits of capitalism, even though they don't like to work for it.
>They'd rather steal it

They're hypocrites. That's why socialism and other far-left ideas are mental illnesses. A return to primalistic and instinctive animalism of just stealing a "kill" from another, dressed in the veneer of (((lies))). A normal, evolved human being would want to work for their things and take pride in it.

But what if the pilots are aiming to crash the plane into a building?

Sure North Korea was destroyed by capitalism...

kek.

Clinton and Obama Litterally started that shit.

Don't forget actually trusting one another.

>8% of Bulgarians are islamic
>8% of Bulgarians are Turks
>5% of Bulgarians are gypo

kek

How can you even call yourself balkan nation if you have turks.

no taxes in wild alaska I hear.

Korea didn't have a revolution, it was the location for a proxy war for the U.S. and the USSR, and was later partitioned by both powers. The u.s. got involved precisely because they didn't want it to go the commies.

Thought the same thing for years now.

They're just jelly. As many of the vermin as exist, if every one of them pitched in an extra note or two from their welfare checks into starting a communal factory or commune.

They're rather steal other people's shit and bitch though. Because they're innately worthless. :*
The problem with having the means of production is... that would mean they would have to produce.

It's better for them as a slavepig on their plantation than going out into the wilds. It's what they deserve.

Another burger who thinks Socialism is a team.
You can't BE a Socialist. Or you can, and everybody is already. Jesus fuck why is it so hard for everybody to understand? You want your fire fighters to disappear? Your garbagemen?

>it's another american doesn't know anything about far-left politics but continues to mouth off like he's an expert episode

I'm not even a commie and I'm having to explain the communist position to you retards ITT.

I like electricity a lot.

We're setting up a right wing community now.

>It's called The West

>Bulgarian trying to win a gypo calling game

They want other people's money.

romanian gypos confirmed for not able to count.

Socialist communes already exist. They're called American universities.

>want to abolish money
>they want other peoples money!

t.finnish education.

>They want other people's money.

money is a social construct. people cannot poses money.

>money is a social construct.
>implying social construct isn't life itself.

No, they want to barter with each other, they'd rather not have money at all.

It's not just the Gypos m8, half the pic of "white" bulgarians are slav subhumans.

As well as my pic showing less photos over all

I could totally live among a small core of like-minded people. Farming, hunting, fishing, etc. The problem is my kind of people don't do this, only dirty hippies want to gather up and smell and eat vegan and sing to trees and shit. Cartman had the right idea with his hippie drill.

>No, they want to barter with each other, they'd rather not have money at all.

Barter is something from modes of production prior to capitalism and communism. The whole point of communism is to create such an enormous surplus of everything that people can take and use whatever they need whenever they want.

>implying social construct isn't life itself.

people can't poses life as well
nor land
nor labor
nor water
nor air

Can't even shit in a hole together, mix it up and make a mud hut, yet Dindus in Africa manage to follow a wildebeest around with their hands cupped together.

Insists ideology will create enormous surplus.

Now I understand.

Where are all the resources going to come from to create such a surplus?

You have proof for any of those claims?

You do realize that the firefighters and garbagemen are paid by the government with your tax dollars. That's communism, not socialism. The government inherently owns the means of production, because you're paying them rent for the land you live on, the property you own, and all of the resources you use. You pay rent on the money you make because the government, not the people owns the means of production.
That's communism
"America is already socialist" and "it's capitalism with socialist ideas!" retards are the worst

How about you fags act like white people and stick and work togheter instand of fighting about who's the best dick sucker.

Working togheter is a "white" thing, so less hate and more cooperative.

Unless the bulgur is actually turkish/arab rape baby and the Romanian actually a gypsie

You do realize that economic surplus can only happen when there's a disparity in the supply and demand curves for an item due to something like a monopoly, right? Overall, economic surpluses hurt the economy rather than help it.
Accounting profit is a sign of an equilibrated economy. Economic profit is not.

I'm not a dirty fucking hippy.

You're thinking in terms of a system where profit is the goal.

>people can't poses life as well
>implying you are not life
>implying you do not possess yourself
>implying i'm not arguing with a bulgarian retard

From the whole planet?

Communist is, at least in theory, stateless, thus claiming the state is communism is an oxymoron.

>the hutterites are rapidly expanding
have you joined them?

Countless communes have been started, and they all fail miserably.

>you guys always have plenty of money for weed and hair dye.
>a factory costs essentially the same as a bag of pot and some hair dye

American education.

yes. because possession is imaginary.

you can't posses any of these without the permission of the society. therefore what you really own is an illusion.

a vulnerable one.

If profit isn't the goal of running a business, what is? Common welfare? That's retarded. The whole point of working hard is to have more than everyone else because your genetic lineage should be the dominant one. The world will never be in harmony.

The logical conclusion of socialism and communism is to kill everyone below a 100 IQ, older than 55, sick, or disabled because they're a collective drain on the economy and reduce the society's collective welfare.

he seized control of the party, and killed of the opposition; as in The SA.

read books instead of Breitfart.

I've only visited one commune which based itself on the "voluntary economy". Everything was abandoned and everyone hated each other because it didn't work, there was waste and animosity everywhere. It was really sad because there were so many messages around which talked about giving and happiness but the dream was impossible.

A socialist/communist will be the first one to tell you that.

Marx wrote an entire book attacking "utopian socialists" such as Saint Simone and Robert Owen, who started communes to usher in socialism.