Hey guys, Sup Forumstard here. I need your help with an argument.
So, this is the story:
I live in germany. My stepdad and i keep getting into arguments. Hes the most liberal cuck ever. Litterally a prof in politics, leftist as fuck, and so fucking full of his ideology that its impossible to talk with him about ANYTHING without him bringing in poorrefugees.jpg or allgermansarenazis.jpg. Talking with him about things like flaws in feminism or merkels immigration politics is impossible, as he immediatly brings up shit like "Borders are a construct of the system to opress people" or "Violence against men isnt nearly as important as womens feelings" blahblah
Im finally going to move out of his place (lived there for 4 long months now after moving back to my town) this month and im so fucking done with his shit.
The problem is:
He is a fucking politics professor, i am your average wagecuck getting the best of open borders and the great politics his favorite leftist shitparty did to the working class.
Guys, please, give me some fucking arguments. Put something in my hand to beat this monster of a leftist betacuck with.
Look through his videos and find one that might resonate.
Cooper Jenkins
Gay is a Jewish meme, you can fuck guys without being gay. Jesus Christ Sup Forums
Luke Robinson
Ok, wanted to post examples but forgot
>Most recent one, the one that set me off
Some weeks ago, i told him that indian feminism is bullshit because its not only the women who suffer, but the men also. Named examples like that law that allows wives to put their man into jail without trial and shit, and how they exploit certain laws.
Also that about 70% of all rape accusations in dehli for instance are fake, stuff like that. I usually dont have all my facts lined up when im confronted with his bullshit because im coming back from work when he starts spamming me.
His response: He sends me some fucking article about honorary killings in Pakistan.
FUCKING PAKISTAN.
ITS NOT EVEN INDIA.
Asher Phillips
Yeah i know, its only gay when you jizz off or youre the one thats taking the cock.
Exept for feminine penis, feminine penis is straight.
Tyler Brown
Why not talk about how islam is the antithesis of liberal progressivism and the people and the kinds of refugees Germany is bringing in are from the most extreme Islamic country, give examples of rape and crime and the fact that they don't integrate into the culture, for example the turkish migrant workers after world war ii that never integrated, and the fact that since the birthrate of immigrants and refugees is much higher based off of welfare benefits the native population of Germans over time will be displaced therefore displacing the culture of liberal progressivism as well
Brody Edwards
This is the best argument you can make against a libcuck retard
Jonathan Cox
sounds like you inherited the tism from your dad
good luck convincing anyone of anything if you can't even get your retard Dad to disavow misandry
Austin Fisher
If he tries to say Islam is the religion of peace and Germany should be multicultural that will be an easy redpill
John Davis
...
Alexander Myers
He's gone OP, even if a "migrant" were to bash his face in he'd blame "the system" or possibly even himself before placing blame on where it belongs.
Just work on yourself and building a family.
The probability of convincing him otherwise is slim to none, especially considering his occupation.
Julian Howard
Not being able to properly defend your position means that you are just as cucked as he is Do research and learn to see things from different perspectives
Christian Walker
Yeah i thought about going into that direction as well, given that we had an argument about "12-15% of all germans are neonazis miimimimi cultural thing" and "refugees who rape on new years eve are just poor people who are alone".
Good point. Thank you
Lovely luger... German Engineering at its finest. To bad that i dont want to murder my stepdad. Even if he's a liberfuck.
James Rogers
Leftism is a cult. You do not argue with a cultist.
Jayden Perry
I know... As cuck as it sounds, im carrying a blankgun for self defense (yay german gunlaws... -_- ) and despite telling him that ive been robbed and assaulted before, he denies everything because the attackers where muzzrats.
I know, im a sorry excuse for the son of interlectual leftists. I would expect better from me too.
I kinda have that habbit inherrited from... you guessed it, the leftist shits i grew up with. Its kinda like growing up in some hardcore conservative religious family and one day waking up to the BS. Just... not that cool or socially accepted over here.
Jack Gomez
>how do i redpill my gf/dad/friend/etc
You are stuck with them. You can't get through to them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern. You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.
In other words, for these people, the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To rid society of these people you need another 15 or 20 years to educate a new generation of patriotically minded and common sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of society.
Oliver Long
>using Sup Forums
I browsed that once and never returned.
I would never even give someone who posts there the time a day let alone a legitimate reply.
Kevin Sanders
>german
opinion discarded
Christian Sanders
I will talk with him.
Jack Gutierrez
You can't be serious about any of that.
Dominic Gray
Kinda... sad, but i get where thats coming from.
Charles Cooper
Megakek
Sadly, i am. Welcome to my life.
Dylan Ramirez
He's your stepdad so he has to support you?
Make him do that, make him pay for your shit, your rent/bills, lie about how much you are being paid and always ask him for money for those stuff.
He likes socialism, let him experience it I say.
Chase Jones
Kek.
He might, but im not a socialist. Im an Oportunist and a Capitalist. I like money, i like making my own money and i dont want to give it away. Its mine.
I take pride in making my own money, and after my mother raised me on social welfare, i am pretty sure i dont want to live out of another persons pocket either.
Ian Clark
Regarding Refugees: Ask your father what he would do if Germany would be in a civil war like Syria. Would he run away? Just like in every war there are people who can not run away because they are too poor, ill, old or young. These people are the most vulnerable yet the ones who should protect them (healthy 20-30 year old men) run away to other countries because of muuuuuh welfare and leave the most vulnerable behind so they can get raped, tortured and killed by the most vicious people one can imagine. By supporting the open border policies he also encourages this behaviour and you can say that he is responsible for the suffering of so many children, elders and ill people in Syria. If he argues that many families arrive in Germany then simply show him pictures of refugees arriving in Germany or take him to the next refugee shelter. 90% of them are healthy 20-30 year old men.
Matthew Diaz
Did i mention that he is the worst pacifist to ever walk this planet?
I had this argument before with him. I do believe in armed resistance so i naturally think that it is the right thing to do to drive any invader out of our lands.
His stance on the topic:
If someone comes here to take our stuff away, we walk away. Its allways better to be deescalating.
He is such a cuck... you guys should have seen the "fights" he had with my narcissistic mom.
Luke Clark
Good point tho.
Nicholas Nelson
Tell him it's a way to lower wages and divide people further
Grayson Howard
>Its allways better to be deescalating.
But what does he say about the people who clearly can not run away? If he cares so much for other people why would he leave the vulnerable ones behind?
Luke Lopez
Muh imperialistic american foreign policys
or
Muh backwardish putinist block
Because
Poor developing and third world countrys have been exploited by the big powers for centuries mimimi I just realized my stepdad is tumblr. Just... older. And with better arguments and indoctrination.
Jaxson Lewis
you sound like both of them together. Why you even care sometimes its better to move on. And if you like capitalism, then you like money from other pockets.. just saying
Mason Jenkins
Earned money though honest labor or service is honorable and shouldn't be shunned
Blake Hall
I also like to keep my pride you know?
Carson Morris
Your also taking this too fast. You have to ease him in too seeing things the correct way
Joseph Smith
So he would let millions of his countrymen live through worse than WW2 tier years only to keep up his world view?
Jace Brooks
like the flag wasnt an indicator
tell him that his ideals may are noble and worthy of persuation, however in our current times just wont work and that we need to make slow progresses, while others are just abused to further an agenda abusing the benelovent minds of the followers. open boarders will invite the terrorirst we created ourselves. taking in to refugees is just treating a sympton, but not the real problem which lies where the refugees come from. feminism isnt there to make women stronger, but to make men weaker. the diversity stuff also isnt to make minority people stronger, but weaking the current majority
Luke Johnson
of course
Eli Fisher
Probably. He would probably look the other way desu.
Ive seen this video some time ago about some guy on a podium explaining why taking in the poor people is idotic by putting mables (marmles... these small glass balls kids used to play with before TV) in a glass representing 1 million people.
So, the US was one glass, and he put one marble in, but added like 13 to the mexico glass. To represent the US taking in 1 million wetbacks each year for free because muh social action and shit.
And then he blew the picture by putting a couple hundred or thousand marbles on the table representing all the people born each year who have it worse than mexicans.
I keked very hard at this, because it showed how idiotic and selfish the leftists are with their "do good" ideas.
What would help these people is infrastructure and education, but no, lets just invite all of them over here.
Nathan Barnes
Tell him that he would be doing a compassionate selfless act and setting a great example by going to the refugee camps & volunteering there. Heck he could spend a few nights there to get to know them. Should shut him up.
Joseph Morris
A good tactic to use is using your opponents ideology, logic and arguments against them. Using questions and framing it in a way that makes them question their own position.
>Ive seen this video some time ago about some guy on a podium explaining why taking in the poor people is idotic by putting mables (marmles... these small glass balls kids used to play with before TV) in a glass representing 1 million people. youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
>Probably. He would probably look the other way desu. Isn't he then abusing his privilege? Like his privilege to be able to run away. He has the money others have not. He is fit others are not. He is not too old or too young others are not. Try to have this dicussion and bring him to this point. You want to catch these leftists at a dilemma situation. In this case he would either make use of his privilege which is a real privilege or fight for his people. His worldview would get damaged either way and he can not talk his way out of it. Go for it!
Nathaniel Roberts
THIS IS A WONDERFUL IDEA.
FUCK.
WHY DID I NOT THINK ABOUT IT MYSELF.
GOD FUCKING DAMN, YOU ARE A GENIUS.
Wyatt Hughes
accuse his faction of being a puppet movement for internationalist capitalism(their word for globalism) because it is. just explain how new left shit on the poor.
Elijah Long
this OP
upboated
Aaron Turner
Exactly that one
Which would mean i would have to dig through all of his bullshit, which is pretty vomit-inducint at this point. But i will.
I think he's to old for the whole privilege bullshit but i think he mentioned it once. Ill give it a shot.
Good point. Also, i think this might be some kind of starter because he is pretty disillusionated by our SPD party after they fucked up their agenda back in 1998
Thomas Bell
Bullshit. My gf was a feminist when I first met her, studying feminist literature in university. I set out to red pill her, and Because I have a pair of balls, I was able to realise my ambition. It only took me 3 months.
ANYONE can be red pilled. If you put your mind to it, you can accomplish anything. Don't give up on people. I know some people seem completely helpless, and it's true some people are for all intents and purposes a "lost cause", but these people just need a smart, confident person to show them the truth. That's all most of 'em need.
Jeremiah Roberts
He's kind of right
Question is, do you see the issue in the migrants or government?
Most of the 'refugees' are illegal migrants and we have laws, which have been ignored and temporary disbanded just to take them in, but that's a big subject to dig into all the wrong doings that have happend
About the real refugees, they are partially treated like shit and don't get the support they deserve because of all the broken laws that brought migrants
Migrants are just coming for the money and our government caused it. I would do the same as a single. They have the option to live in a shithole country where nobody's trying to improve anything or take a 'journey' to get welfare for being a burden to strangers.
In the end the left and right keep blaming/defending the migrants and don't heat the government as much as they should - divide and conquer
Landon Lee
This. As long as someone is not a psychologist with a baseline anyone can be red pilled.
Joseph Rodriguez
Yes, thats what im thinking. He is fucking intelligent. (Or autistic, and recently ive been tending towards the latter... but anyways) He build up knowlege and stuff. He is a professor, he is bright. He has a shitton of books. Mostly leftist bullshit but... whatever.
I have hope for him, otherwise i would just ditch him.
Exactly my words.
I actually know some actual refugees, they are normal people and try to fit in with society. One of my best colleagues at work is from Afghanistan, one of my best friends has her Syrian Ex constantly living in her attic because he cant go back to his home for obvious reasons.
Julian Hill
Additionally: it's pretty hard to convince others because we feel the need to figure stuff out on our own and defend our ego. You need to understand the perspective of the opposite person to be able to find flaws in his logic - it's always based on experiences, informations and emotions.
Most importantly be open minded and don't put your ego over facts
Ian Cooper
the left isnt really selfish (am a leftist my self so there is some bias to that statement i guess), they are just mostly blinded by (((their))) lies and dont think about fault in the logic of those statements. they dont look into the facts and act as tolerant while at the same time being intollerant to anyone who doesnt have these same values. So while i believe in many leftists ideologies i also see how those are abused and twisted to further (((their))) agendas and it sickens me seeing how people dont see through the most obvious lies (like one time on N24 there was a report talking about how assad is to blame for the rise of terrorism, because the bombings and dronestrikes directed AGAINST him destroys peoples homes and make them angry towards the west which will make them join the terrorists)
that video you speak about is by the way really good. saw it myself some time ago as well.
Jeremiah Price
This motherfucker thinks a card will stop gods work
Jeremiah Taylor
>help me with my argument It's too late user. If you're white then come to America...Germany is gone now.
Xavier Peterson
I know... i self reflect pretty much constantly due to mental issues.
I understand his point of view, desu. Or, at least his ideology. I grew up with them, i learned their ways and their motivations. But i just one day thought to myself that there are to many logical flaws in their stories to be supported without question.
They grew into it, slowly developing their bullshit cult dependancy over the years, and learned to ignore logical flaws over time.
I was confronted with the full picture as soon as i was born and saw their flaws when i grew older. Im not better than them, i just see my side of the picture. Which includes shit like questioning misandry and the whole "were all the same, borders are for idiots, mimimimi" bullshit.
Dominic Green
Another possibility is manipulating on Sup Forums level
Show him where we're heading or push the leftist stupidity far enough to make him angry about leftists and call him ignorant for every word that could be used in a intolerant context (race/gender/nafri)
Not the best idea if you see the other person on a daily basis tho
Juan Anderson
Profession in politics only masters him in the current system. He isn't a professor in sociology or psychology so it's likely that he knows shit about that. Just go full ad-hom on him claiming that his obsession with refugees is his egoistic needs for the confirmation of others and how he is taking advantage of people of other nationalities by objectefying them to simple npc's and not recognizing their cultural differences. Also, attack his ideology with Huntington, Herder, Kaczynski and all historical events which can back up the failures of multiculturalism (Rome i.e.) and start sperging how history is circulare and that repition is bound to occur because humans aren't complex, they are in fact very predictable.
If you need heavy artillery, then nuke him with Jacques Ellud and how his caught in the lowest form of propaganda.
Basicly: Ad-hom, Ad-hom, Ad-hom - it's the only thing dumbass leftists understand.
Always use Hegelian slave approach to crush your opponents. Save your dialectics for people who are smart enough to participate in real discussions.
Hunter Torres
That's the saddest picture I've seen on Sup Forums.
FUCK. Poor Helga.
Jeremiah Myers
I consider myself a leftist too. Just... an awake leftist. (holy shit inb4 look at me getting into the reborn isle of isms)
I support equality. Which is why i consider myself an equalist with MRA tendencies. Im a Man, i look at issues that men face.
I work for LGBT rights for 4 years now. Which is why i hate the whole tumblr faggotry, it just makes the rest of us look like attention seeking 13 year olds.
Im a patriot because i love all those values my country has achieved since world war 2. The progress we made, the technology we developed, the things we did to help others. So naturally i hate merkel and her government for destroying all that efford by getting some degenerated people in here who dont understand the difference between a human being (woman) and property (object).
But saying this makes me a nazi in his eyes.
Because muh intollerance for their wonderful culture.
Parker Bailey
Holy fuck that picture is sad. ._.
Yeah kinda thinking about coming to southern america desu. Guns and stuff, and i also have a thing for girls riding pickup trucks.
For once, i wouldnt have to worry about my blankgun being able to convince an attacker that its real.
Jaxon Cox
Whats nafri?
I will not see him on a daily basis soon. Allready got keys for own apartment.
I just want to leave the Fat Boy of arguments as a goodbye present.
Jackson Kelly
Same, most of my discussions with older people end in different points of views about migrants but a general understanding that it's the governments fault. The issue is that people end up blaming the nearest 'feindbild' because 'i can't change politics anyways' and other stupidity. I prefer not to talk about politics anymore if they stick to taking their emotional reasoning over common sense and just make fun of new degenerate laws/suggestions until they start to do realise what's happening
Nathan Hill
Wonderful. Thank you very much, good idea.
Yes, i want heavy artillery
Parker Torres
'North african', mostly in context with criminal north africans The green party was blaming the police for using this term on NYE
Ayden Thompson
Problem is: i made the mistake (or the thing i was raised to do) and started an argument.
AND NOW HE WONT FUCKING STOP.
Biggest mistake we did after the fall of the wall?
We didnt get a new constant enemy.
The soviets were pretty cool you know? We could hate on them, they could hate on us, we were motivated to be better than them, etc etc. And nothing ever happened because we would have nuked each other out of existance.
The west should have given the PACT states financial aid in secret to let them keep going.
Ethan Gutierrez
Kek
Hunter Green
at this point it's about volume, not quality.
you need a campaign of redpilling.
print out barely legal redpills and leave them where he can find them.
after 6 months, he will crack.
REDPILL BLITZKRIEG
Jaxson Phillips
That is a really solid idea
Also, you could tell him you're converting to Islam and start demanding that he make your mother wear a hijab around the house or you're offended, if he refuses, chimp out on him and get borderline physical and if he tries to play the "not your culture" or "calm down" card just get real in his face about "this is what I believe now, because the refugees taught it to me, if you don't accept it then you're insensitive or you're being haram therefore I have a right to threaten you"
See how he likes it being brought into his own home, if he says "well your mom says no" CONSTANTLY belittle him as a man for this, tell him he's no longer a man and now a eunuch.
Isaiah Green
Not really sure if you mean CP or just Nukes of Argument by barely legal redpills but... okay.
Do you mean i should shop teen girls with Redpill arguments or do you mean i should just put arguments that are very convincing?
Inb4 - to much Sup Forums, i know. Just want to make sure. Because im not doing the first one to my stepdad.
And yes, thats kinda the idea.
Zachary Rodriguez
>You are literally his wifes son.
You have already won. Just call him a cuck for being with your mother.
Isaiah Ramirez
hey friendo,
leftists will never be convinced by logical arguments, it's why they're leftists. If you want to convince him, you have to make him uncomfortable and for you to do that you need to "outgroup" him.
Also bring up Malthusian catastrophe caused by third world giving birth to too many babies. When he tries to dong you claiming the study as outdated, you just start nuking him with "appeal to novelty fallacies". Ultimately, just keep nuking fallacies and cognitive bias' and remember to use a lot of fallacies yourself, because leftist are too dumb to know what a fallacy is. Remember, arguements like these are never about being right or learning new perspectives, they are about dragging your opponent through the shit, making him fear your character and scare him out of his cocoon identity. Always aim to perturbate always try to push your opponent into complete anxiety.
Parker Anderson
Which brings us back to the honor thing again. Not even for this i would ever call myself a sandnigger.
Ive made a point before that i would rather die standing than live on my knees, and i will not in a thousand (HEIL! Kek) years even call myself an islamist for the sake of an argument.
Tyler Garcia
>He is a fucking politics professor
Political appointment.
Tell him that he is 40 years out out of date and that everything he believes in has been undemocratically implemented and that it has failed in every way and that he should get with the times.
Elijah King
Also going to read up on that one, thank you
Explain... How comes undemocratically implemented?
Nolan Bennett
If things carry on, Germans will be a minority in their own country. Statistically you can't deny that.
If he doesn't care, he's lost
Charles Scott
Regarding Malthus you just need to read the wiki, no need to read his entire research, it pretty much just overflow arguments for an already obvious conclusion.
Cameron Torres
Well statistically i will put all my friends on some fucking ship if the day comes and move with them to argentinia or something to rebuild the aryan race in some 1940's Nazi enclave
Nolan Rodriguez
leftist scum
Justin Morgan
Yes, but tell your step-father that statistically Germans will be a minority
Also ask him what he feels about being a literal cuckold (if he raised you).
Hunter Mitchell
People reducing from state to minority will always result in violent upheaveals. Forced multiculturalism always leads to the death of the host culture and knowing that death is emminent always pushes a vast majority into long periods of international terrorism. So you can always tell leftists that they'll be responsible for an Aleppo situation - but quite frankly, they wont care. All leftists care about is narcisism and confirmation from others.
James Murphy
He will probably be happy about that because muh germans are all nazis
Yeah... not touching that topic. He lost his daughter when my mom had a miscarriage. Im kinda trying to keep the arguments above the beltline.
Jordan Ramirez
This is the only way.
Luis Hernandez
Take him down into the rabbit hole
Luke Flores
Changed my mind, this is actually the best idea
Cameron Wood
I think "Leftist" is a problematic term too, as it alienates people that are economically left. There are more and more of these that become sceptic of immigration, but won't let go of their economical believes.
Does he have blue eyes, do he look German himself?
What has he said, that resembles "Germans are all Nazis"?
Robert Brown
GOD DAMN the Nord just gave you a clear cut ICBM right there, no fake islamism needed. Just point out how everything he's ever done for you makes him a cuck literally, go HEAVY on BELITTLING him as man, literally say shit like "Well my mom and I made you a cuck pretty much", if he tries to pull a "no you didnt" just straight up hit him with a "well thats not how I see it, pretty sure you're my cuck-dad" call him cuck-dad and if he tolerates that with no shame then just ignore everything he says and reply with "ok cuck", FORCE him to get angry/anxiety.
Jaxon Evans
I was not too serious though
This would have to be the last thing, like if he actually says something like that he doesn't care if Germans will become a minority.
Isaac Martin
No thats still fucking gay m8
Jason Powell
>I think "Leftist" is a problematic term too, as it alienates people that are economically left. There are more and more of these that become sceptic of immigration, but won't let go of their economical believes.
Yes. But well, we like to put things into boxes, dont we?
>Does he look german
Nope. He actually looks more sandnigger than german. Hes from Berlin, grew up in southern germany and experienced some sort of regional racism, hence the strong hate against everything nationalistic and patriotic.
Still denies everything when i tell him i got beat up for being the only german kid at school.
I kinda think the "we as a german culture will go extinct" argument is still better than "youre a cuck"... you know... for the sake of argument...
David Baker
>arguing with your left-wing stepdad stepdad
tfw you are literally his wifes son
Adam Young
Just ask him about the last two NYE. It's literally impossible to lose an argument over this and shows that the government doesn't got any control