Explain Yourself Finland

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>dude! Why am I ever gonna find a job if the government will just pay me just enough money to live?

This is now a "when will finland implode" thread.

>wanting to live with barely enough rather than a life of comfort and fulfillment
Of course, that requires people to not be degenerate, which is not a safe assumption

only way UBI works is if you cut EVERYTHING else, food stamps, welfare, the works and just give them $900 a month to work with

>people with no aspirations don't work, be poor, but have a little money
>people with aspirations work, get money, but get taxed so far up the ass that they're poor again
This kills the Finland.

It will probably work, as Finland is mostly white. It's when the go "full German" and let in the camel fuckers that this will fall apart.

It's not nearly enough to live on, probably not even enough for rent. And they recoup part of the money via their VAT regardless.

Some Finns already explained how this was going to be deducted from whatever benefits they were already getting, it was a test with a sample of only 2000 people, and otherwise was constructed in such a way as it was made to fail.

It will go nowhere.

That's how it works right now, this is an attempt to get the rats to work.

Universal Basic Income (UBI) is the alt-left's idea to save us all from automation. UBI is slavery. You are allotted a fixed income from Massa.

>but you can still work if you want to

How are you going to work when all the jobs have been automated?

>muh human intelligence

ALL THE JOBS. Who is even going to pay you? All the other slaves need their UBI to eat. Massa isn't going to pay you. He owns everything already.

UBI is slavery.

Problem with UBI is that it will lead to a situation where those who need help the most in society will no longer receive it.

UBI however has some advantages towards those who are willing to work together and pool their resources.

Fingols wants degenerates to breed faster so they can be cucked like Swedistan

glad someone sees it

in the future, revoking some poor nigger's UBI will kill him, and be cracking a metaphorical whip, reminding others that big papa gov't can destroy them at will, for completely arbitrary reasons

The only people who voted for Trump are rural and suburban retards.

City people all voted for Hillary Clinton

wtf i love Finland now.

If I could get basic income I might want to actually try to find a job because I have financial security.

>implying theyll do UBI instead of soft kill genociding billions per the georgia guidestones

What is your alternative solution to the automation issue? Because it is already happening. It is just a matter of time until the tipping point is reached and people see the problem after it is too late.

>encouraging people to rent storage container to sleep in, have a gym membership to have access to shower and hot water, and living the neet life
In Marxist theory, socialism is the fifth stage in converting capitalist society into communism

>how are you going to work when all jobs are automated
There are two ways. You either learn the method to operate and maintain those machines or you become a landowner.

I plan to do both.

Actually, UBI would do the opposite in Finland because the Degenerates in big cities would lose money, while traditional family units with plenty of land can rake up a respectable amount of cash simply because their living costs are so pathetically low and because they can pool resources.

Problem is no jobs in Fingolia and the entire thing is in testing phase.

I don't understand, was there a referendum? Who did this? If it fails they're gonna so lose the next election.

Don't be a degenerate that depends on manual labour in the first place. Machines can't understand human taste, desires and notions of beauty, making product/service improvement/innovation depended on human input by employees.

What if I told you there isn't an alternative solution.

The only reason Massa tolerates you now is because he needs work done. If robots can do it

why would he need you?

When the future is automated, Massa exterminates you. The brain behind Skynet is human. The robots are just taking orders.

If automation permanently reduces the total number of jobs available to the masses, why hasnt automation already ruined the global economy?

>560 euro montly
Dont Finland earn 3500 Euros monthly?

My lovely friend to the south, you are behind the times in what A.I. can and is doing.

I would argue that massa, that being the government who provides UBI and is enslaving us as you said, isn't in control of the automation revolution. It is largely being done by companies or individuals who are just obsessed with the technology and can't help but move it forward.

The government isn't the one replacing the people and using UBI as a step in that direction, the progress of technology itself is replacing the need for human labor, both physical and mental, and the government is at best playing catch up with the UBI as basically paying people to not take part in a civil uprising and throw the country into chaos, at worst like in our home of the U.S. they completely ignore it in favor of an ever more absurd puppet show and will be blindsided by the anger of the jobless masses.

The sensible thing would be to take this money and create a homemakers allowance instead for married women that have the suitable number of children. It would solve the automation problem whilst also steering the ship in the right direction

>trials

It's only for 2000 people and the amount being paid out is barely higher than the amount I get for studying. Not sure how telling the results will be though

You can barely/can't live on that in the U.S. Most apartment costs are 600-1k a month alone.

I work in the German gibs offices. These low IQ shitskins are quite happy not working officially and taking welfare.

>why hasnt automation already ruined the global economy?
Lets be real, a lot of the economy is bullshit to begin with and has nothing to do with the common man's day to day life.

Automation is in fact great for the economy, that's why it is being adopted by companies at an ever increasing rate. It cuts costs and increases productivity, it gets rid of the human work force, which is a company's biggest liability, it can be expanded and upgraded, and works without complaint or sickness.

Some proponents of the UBI say the increase in productivity and profits from automation will easily cover a UBI. I'm not too sure of the myself, but it does do wonders for the bottom line.

The problem isn't the economy doing badly, the problem is masses of people out of work with nothing to do but get mad at the government because they have no job. That's what the government fears and why many are looking into UBI to avoid civil unrest.

>How are you going to work when all the jobs have been automated?
There'll still be plenty of janitorial and labor jobs.

why would basic income boost employment

who wrote this garbage

Here in Dk, with our massive welfarestate, it is actually considered a right wing suggestion. You take the money from social parasites who right now gets money for nothing and then you distribute it to all people in society. The parasites will get less. I wrote a paper on the viability of this with criteria of being able to survive (have enough money for physical part of Maslov pyramid) and my leftist teacher slammed it because she thought poor wouldnt be able to live with "dignity".

I think the rats would rather just impregnate fins daughters and steal the heart of their sons. They'll find support however they need to. Those who don't have game will resort to crime. In the end, those who deserve pain will receive it.

Because then most of the money you're making can be spent on yourself instead of grinding out rent/bills every month. It relies on the idea that people enjoy luxury.

What if it isnt a fixed amount? Lets say its based on a percentile of state income (or sumthing like that)? If the weath of society decreases, more people will be forced to work.

Nations should encourage ubi and automation. Without the human cost prices will plummet. Capitalism will not collapse onto itself simply reach a point of diminishing returns. The first generation to grow up in this environment will begin the paradigm change.

wait are you saying you are paid to study?

Works only if you have slave labor or really good automation. It all goes down to accounting. Money is only a means, a representation of available resources. With money you get to decide what gets built and what is done with available resources. Basically the people decide what gets made. Problem is someone has to do the work. In ideal capitalism the people who do the work decides what to do with the resources.

It's a nice idea but it wouldn't work on a large scale.

It wouldnt for US, but u dont have massive amount (in proportion to population) of people living very comfy on government benefits. If u take the existing welfare, give it out to all people in society, then those people living on government handouts will have increased monitary incentive to work and they would also be able to take maybe a part-time job without losing their precious benefits

I think UBI is unevitable, but we're not yet at the level of automation needed to maintain it.

>poor people
>in
>Denmark

I'm laffin

inevitable*

In truth, it isn't a "right" or "left" issue. It is just looking at the practicality of a seemingly radical solution to a problem. It has been argued pretty well that UBI could replace every other welfare program and depending on the country, wouldn't even cost that much more. It is harder for it to work in the US with our huge population, but when you look at the trillions in bank bailouts, billions in wasted or "missing" funds in the military, Trillion in welfare spending, more billions in the prison system, billions in the drug war, etc. It becomes pretty clear we could do it if there was the political will.

Even if UBI worked I wonder what the future holds. Automation, both robotic and A.I. is progressing rapidly, and no one is sure what happens when human's only job is to consume what the machines make for us. It could go startrek utopia, or it could go some place much darker.

>Tfw I cucked the Danes by stealing a beautiful blonde green eyed viking princess

Relatively poor. But ye. Not anywhere near ur league

Because it's just enough. No fancy TV, no smartphone, no computer games, no eating out, just the bare absolute necessities to function in modern society and not die.

If you want fun, if you want nice things, you must work.

good for u. Nobody here wants ur chicks

That picture always gets me. Just like the pictures of the rallies, a future that wasn't to be.

"Basic Income" could clean up the bureaucratic messes of all the welfare programs, but certain groups have learned know how to game those systems they'd fight against it. Like, when BLM hijacked Bernie's podium and black support was higher for hillary than bern; impoverished blacks know the racist welfare system favors them, so they'll fight against a basic income scheme designed to replace/streamline/simplify it.

>increase employment

More like reduce unemployment by not counting people on UBI in the unemployment statistics

Twf when i cuck brit lads everyday basis by a la creampie when they think they re going to get turk roach and i breed them i alanaya beaches. Brits are the next america:D

How

If I had all my basic needs met for free I'd either not bother working at all or is just do a few odd jobs for extra cash whenever I wanted to buy something extra

>Be a white country.
>Make enough money for everyone.
>Care about community.
>No one is butthurt about it.
>Golden age in Finland.

And?

Join the army or become a thief

I'm not from this Island genetically, but I'm white. Don't worry fellas, I'll take good care of her and make some nice babies.

I thought you couldn't go on any form of welfare if you were employed or owned land

Its fine. Nobody here is really worried because swedebros are so cucked their chicks come looking for men

Because they can count them as "not being unemployed" and say dood look da unemployment rate iz down

Coppenhagen to Sweden is a very short trip after all.

The problem with the US is that if it goes into much more debt it's going to go through a USSR '91

If trump spends theoretically the same that Obama did you would collapse in 3 years

Banks had to repay bailouts and did. But you're getting at it at the right angle. Most people don't realize it would get rid of social security, medicaid, basically all welfare. Not to mention bureaucracies. I don't think technology is that bad at this point, more so globalization. However it could be more efficient to have one system for transfer payments then our current system.

>this kills the capitalist

If I already have a decent TV and computer games can get OTA TV channels for free torrent movies and steal wifi from the nearby McDonald's why should I work?

What happens in America if the company temporarily has no work that you can do? Do you still get payed?

Although we now have bordercontrol because Sweden imported to many kebabs and then realized it was stupid...

They make up work for you to do

Guarantee employment instead. Public works, subsidized private sector work, maybe just pay people to make decent fucking buildings instead of the modernist garbage we have now. It worked so well for the NatSocs that we started a war to make sure the model didn't spread.

You still get unemployment payments. If you're an independent contractor then I guess that wouldn't apply.

Reminder that if the Finns weren't fucking pussies during WW2 and helped the Germans take Leningrad, the Germans would have tens of thousands of troops no long tied up and would have been sent south to help secure the Flanks of Stalingrad.

>muh war only to reclaim territory!

>gaurantee employment
>employment below 5.5%
You can guarantee employment but how can you guarantee a living wage employment?

Make that the Gibs part of the program, just make sure that everyone's working and not sitting on their ass collecting UBI checks.

How come this is the first time I hear of this? Why wasn't my neet ass selected? I bet they selected some niggers or something.

Why only the unemployed? What do they have against the working poor?

>Banks had to repay bailouts and did.
I realize that, but the money in the BUI doesn't vanish either, it all gets spent on basic needs and goes back into the system which produces more productivity. In a way it is a very democratic means of stimulating the economy, more people can vote with their dollar if they have a foundation of financial stability.

You get laid off, aka politely fired.

Just work at Tikka or Nokia :^)

how are they supposed to pay for this without income tax

it should only be given to the working poor.

Dumb goyim slave to a boss for Jewish trinkets to show off """"""success""""""

Heruuu

EYE SLITS OF A CHINK

For food stamps you have x number of people to pay y currency, the same currency spent by beneficiaries of the BUI. And the people that payed the bui taxes probably bought stocks in the companies that supply basic needs. So this democratic stimulus is just a facade. pic related.

>Being paid to study
In the USA we pay to study.

You flat out can't live on that unless you get like 4 people living together

Only good thing about this is that everyone would get it and it would feed so much money into the system. The bad thing is that rents would skyrocket.

>tfw free apartment and money to spare
I feel sorry for all the wage cucks who are forced to work extra hard to support this insane immigration.

It's supposed to fix the fact that right now if you're on welfare and get a job you will lose all your benefits even if you get less after taxes than you would on welfare.

If this would happen then anyone could work to get extra income and doing part time would make sense.

The idea of UBI would be that everyone, even if you're employed gets paid that basic income. And if you are employed then you get paid for the work you do over that.

It could work
You can only get it if your sign up on unemployment center
Cant refuse work proposals ,if you refuse work proposal the income goes down a certain percentage
All money comes in a debit card that you cant withdrawal money from, all payments must be made with it
You must spend all the money in the card , all thats left gets taken back ,this makes sure theoney goes to the economy
You can pay rent with it , just like you pay a elecetric bill ,since you cant withdrawal money or transfer money , this also kills the renting black market
Reduce the income amount from the salary , it reduces businesses expenses ,decreasing product costs and increasing competivity

> randomly selected

why

The worlds gonna burn to the confused howls of the high minded fools who forgot the basic animal nature of man.

It means immigrants only.

I don't know how it works over there in the 3rd world but none of what you listed is an issue here currently.

If you refuse a work proposal then you get reduced benefits.

There's no black market for renting because you get paid a separate grant for rent and you have to provide the agreement you made with the landlord.

> can't refuse work proposals
What do you mean, you don't want to work 12 hours per day in my coal mine? BAD GOYIM!

>implementing on a small scale something that the negative effects are increased as the scale gets bigger

NEET king here, I live a life of comfort and fulfillment on £800 a month. £2000 computer, £400, can get anything I want as it becomes available and until that time comes I can order delicious takeaways 3 times a week.

It's so nice to have everything you could ever want.