DUDE IF WE JUST REPEAL HEALTHCARE, EVERYONE IS MAGICALLY NOT GET SICK AND UNINSURED ANYMORE :DDDDDDDDDDD

DUDE IF WE JUST REPEAL HEALTHCARE, EVERYONE IS MAGICALLY NOT GET SICK AND UNINSURED ANYMORE :DDDDDDDDDDD

HEALTHCARE WAS GREAT UNDER GWB

>ignoring the fact that ObamaCare was going to collapse under its own economic weight anyway

fuck off retard

>uninsured almost double under Trumpcare

So?

Fpbp

40 YEARS OF RIGHT WING ECONOMICS AND IT HASN'T GOTTEN YOU SHIT

Meh, the only difference it will make to me is that I won't have to pay a stupid fucking fine for being uninsured since I can't afford even the cheapest plan in the "affordable" care act.

>Trickle down economics
>Posts a graph of 40 years of ever increasing wealth redistribution programmes

People's healthcare insurance costs tripled you fucking retard

This. Me and so many I know can't get full time work cause no one wants to hire full time. My job fired two full timers and hire four part timers. One of them was with the company for more than 15 years.

>last 2 out of three presidents were democrats with democrat congress and senate
>IZ DUH RHEEEEEEEEE~PUBLICANS FAULT!

>Democrats are left wing

I wonder why people covered by insurance would decrease after you stop fining people who don't get health insurance. It's hilarious too because the ACA dramatically raised healthcare premiums and then forced people who couldn't afford it to pay.

Also, who the fuck ever said healthcare under GWB was great?

Healthcare is arguably one of the most regulated and socialized industries in the US.

Middle class were told they wouldn't get hosed, middle class people instead got fucked.

If Obama hadn't been such a huge lying scumbag maybe Obamacare wouldn't be on the chopping block now. The democrats lied, now they get to cry.

Obamacare should have been funded mostly out of general revenue, not by huge raises in middle class premiums and deductibles.

Trickle up poverty wont work either , bolshevik.

>Trickle up poverty wont work either , bolshevik.

Soviet Union and Communist China industrialized faster than the western nations ever did over 600 years of industrialization.

I wasn't aware people are entitled to health insurance

This has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen

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LET'S JUST GIVE EVERYONE HEALTHCARE, AND THEN WE'LL JUST HIRE MORE DOCTORS
AND THEN WE'LL JUST MAKE COLLEGE TOO AND WELFARE FOR ALL
CAPITALISM BTFO

Good, I'm sick of paying for insurance for poor people.

I was going to declare I was amish and see how they would proceed

they're not, the major problem is that pharma sees this as unlimited access to tax dollars, government needs to grow a pair and argue for lower costs, we should also allow prescription drugs to be sold freely with no need to consult a doctor as that raises costs, google can do just as good a job picking out your drugs as a doctor can so if the opportunity exists to save money we should do that, the whole medical industry is billions of women keeping chairs warm basically doing nothing

because of their superior Georgian economics

>Netherlands
You don't know shit about anything pickled fish fucker.

The entire medical field in this country is a giant fucking racket because of for-profit health care. We have doctors prescribing opium to vets and the elderly to get them hooked. Just so the doctor will get a kick back from the pharmacist. We have surgeons who blatantly lie to patients because they want to charge the health insurance for an unnecessary procedure. We have shit like $500 advils and $200 toilet paper in hospitals. The AMA blatantly restricts the number of students allowed to enter and graduate medical schools to keep the supply of trailned doctors lower, so that they can make more money and eliminate competition. We have fucking orderlies and nurses, glorified room service/pizza delivery people, making upwards of $75,000 a year for no fucking reason other than they wear scrubs to work.

As bad as you may have been brainwashed to believe Obamacare is, at least it attempted to fix the real issues killing us in health care. The GOP plan is to make shit worse for everyone so they can tell their toothless hillbilly voters that the gubmint can't do anything right.

And in a few years, when we are in another deflationary spiral because of right-wing economic voodoo. An "I told you so" won't put the money I will have to spend on my families healthcare back in the bank. The only people more clueless than the GOP are their fucking voters. I hope Obama starts a war with Russia so all these rednecks get drafted and shot.

>Soviet Union and Communist China industrialized faster than the western nations ever did over 600 years of industrialization.

O i am laffin

>Me and so many I know can't get full time work cause no one wants to hire full time.

Don't forget that part-time jobs are now 28 hours a week instead of 38.

>This has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen

Prove anything I said wrong. China under Mao was the most economically equal society in human history.

>The only people more clueless than the GOP are their fucking voters.

democrats supported lynching and segregation

The US just needs a single payer system at this point. It won't be slow as shit like ours don't worry, the reason our system is so slow is because so many canadian-trained specialists run to the US to get paid more.

>China under Mao was the most economically equal society in human history.

because they followed the economic principles of Henry George

>the world has never been more regulated and welfare giving
>surely it's capitalism fault! We need more benefits

fuck off obama
you fucked up, admit it.

Shit, my girlfriend had the same situation before she quit her job. Originally full time but the moment ACA kicked in, 90% of the staff including her got part time'd permanently.
Companies have no reason to hire full timers anymore in certain cases. Easier to roll out mass part timers since you can mix the insurance requirements.
You'll get even more if min wage increases too.

22 million illegals loose healthcare, when can we start.

no, it's slow because it's socialist.
in order to run socialized medicine to fit into a budget, they just allocate fewer resources.
if the healthcare budget of provinces doubled, waiting times for tests, treatments, and procedures would drop to american time.

everyone was equally poor, that is correct

doesn't mean it's good

>everyone was equally poor,

You cannot claim America is rich when 1% control all the wealth and 50% of Americans live in poverty and near poverty.

Lets start with the 700 years of industrial revolution you mentioned. Earliest people claim it started was the late 1700s.

Russia under the tzar was industrializing and the communists pushed it back 40 years because of their take over and failed policies.

China would've industrialized once it became stable. It'd didn't take the communists to do it

Being sick and being uninsured are two different things. A chart comparing people who bought insurance freely and those who bought it under threat of fine doesn't show that people are less sick.

Thanks to Obama maybe

Whew lad. We have hospitals charging ridiculous prices because programs such as Obamacare, Medicaid, and Medicare have no bargaining position such as a for profit insurance plan. You fucked up my wonderful insurance plan that used to be 46 dollars a pay period with your fucking socialist shit and now it's 120 a pay period and I get less. So eat a fucking bag of dicks and choke on it and pray to your reddit gods there's not 90 niggers in front of you at the ER trying to get pills with their Obamacare.

Fucked up what exactly? Obamacare didn't fix everything but at least they attempted to un-jew the most jewish industry in the nation. You have no fucking idea leaf. In Canada you can walk into a hospital and get a blood test or a consultation with little to no cost to you. In America I have to pay $500+ dollars for the same shit. It makes us a far less healthier nation and the for-profit healthcare industry thinks that's just grand. Because the sicker we are the more their worthless parasitic health care middlemen get to justify their thievery.

Fucking faggots who don't even live in my country telling me how it is and how to run it. Fuck the fuck off.

Look at pic related, if we were to stop funding healthcare and welfare we'd be able to abolish both income tax and corporate tax.

Whine more faggot.

No it didn't. It was corporate welfare at the highest level. Companies were pushing this shit for years.

>if we were to stop funding healthcare and welfare

half of us spending is defense if you count the 30% that is black listed by the pentagon for audit.

You're fucking wrong as shit but that isn't surprising at all considering where you are. Health care costs were actually starting to get under control under Obamacare, thanks to the medical expense mandate. I assure you that will be the first thing the kikes in the GOP get rid of. Have fun jerking off to "cryin' libruls", cause you won't be able to afford any medical care for your family in a few short years. You fucking trashbags have no fucking idea about the real world, none. Keep wallowing in your bubble you fucking retard.

>No it didn't. It was corporate welfare at the highest level. Companies were pushing this shit for years.


HURRR DURR RTRUMP WILL ABOLISH CORPROATE WEFLAE ON DAY ONE!

More money is spent on healthcare actually

Where do you think you are you fucking retard? This entire board is filled with fucks like you crying about things. You fucking cried about Obama for the last 8 years but fucking lose it when someone with an informed opinion makes it known? Sorry but this isn't your safe space you fucking snowflake.

Yeah that's one of the reasons people voted for him. If he doesn't get rid of Obamacare a lot of people will be pissed off

Just nationalize healthcare

Completely wrong, biased graphs from a right wing think tank don't change reality. The military is over 50% of the federal budget, no amount of accounting tricks will change reality.

My healthcare used to be $300 a month for my wife and myself, both non smokers and in our late 20s, our current insurance is $600 a month. May I ask what yours is per month and do you make above or lower than 40k. I may around 82k with my family's income. The current law was written to benefit the healthcare industry and $100 a year+ increases. It needs to allow states to compete against each other to lower costs or it needs to be removed. I was honestly happier with my insurance before Obamacare. You can write a one page law that bans pre existing conditions. I don't need to pay for poor people's insurance unless they are on government disability for actual medical reasons of retired. I grew up poor, one parent raised me, and I ended up running a profitable small business. Let the poor keep making dumb decisions, I have no sympathy.

>manage to copy known techniques and inventions faster than the people who had to invent it all from scratch
>still can't figure out how to get running water to a third of their population
very impressive, those Chinese.

Attempt to un jew? You are fucking shitting me. It was a terrible attempt to try and fix healthcare by mandating you buy insurance, even if you are healthy. There's a reason we enjoy shorter wait times for healthcare and higher quality healthcare and that's because it's FOR PROFIT.

Are you fuckin dumb

Before Obamacare 80% of people were happy with their insurance

Of 310 million people about 90% were insured

Of the 10% uninsured many of those people chose not to buy it because they didn't want it

Obamacare forced people to buy insurance from private companies or face a fine/jail and thenprices went up for everyone because it also requires all sorts of stupid shit to be covered

Obamacare has made healthcare worse

I didn't know the government was a right wing think tank

I too remeber the time before the ACA. No one in the United States of America had health insurance at all, not a single person.

>because of for-profit health care
How do you suppose we get rid of for profit healthcare? The doctors, nurses, physicians, and even the janitors work for profit and personal gain. If you actually want to solve the problem you should seek to eliminate the government interference over the healthcare industry. The AMA is given monopoly power by the government. Every agency made in order to regulate the industry gets hijacked by that very same industry in order to pursue special interests.

Obamacare fixed absolutely nothing and is probably the best piece of evidence to support my claim about the government's influence over healthcare. The pre-existing conditions clause prevented insurers from discriminating in premiums or denying coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, meaning they had to give below equilibrium prices to people with pre-existing conditions, resulting in higher prices for everyone to make up the cost. Let's not forget it forced everyone to pay either to insurance companies or to the government in the form of fines, bankrupting many Americans.

>Have fun jerking off to "cryin' libruls", cause you won't be able to afford any medical care for your family in a few short years
Just like under Bush, right? Don't they give you shills proper training? You make it painfully obvious every time.

Under control? I assume Mommy pays for your healthcare and you don't know the true cost. My deductible was 250 and now it's 1000. And when did it start? Get out of your bubble you fuck

>600 years of industrialization

Lol first...wut?

>soviet union and china industrialized faster

Soviets certainly did not and were behind the west starting about 1955

China was rice farmers until the changed from commies to fascists in the 1980's

it's "LOSE" you fucking retard

>Yeah that's one of the reasons people voted for him

Which is why he will disappoint millions who gave faith to this lunatic.

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It was build on lies and more and more people were pulling out.

The only way to keep it going would have been to increase the penalties for going uninsured. Which I'm sure would have just gone over gang busters.

The Empowering Patients First Act tries to fix things, Obamacare was a plan build by morons and sold on lies.

Our healthcare isn't high quality, it's middle of the road, however we spend about 3 times as much as the rest of the planet to get it. If you're wealthy and you can pay, I'm sure it's wonderful for you. But the majority of America is not wealthy enough to the point that out of control health care costs don't matter. An ideal system would be similar but not exactly like the NHS. We pay taxes, and health care is paid for by the government. Private insurance is available to those who can afford it. Boom, solves many problems and still preserves the upper echelon's health care.

Notice how they ignored you

Underrated as fuck

You're a fucking moron. Next.

Americans in poverty are obese have hot and cold running water cable tv and enough income to buy things like video games

Our "poverty". Compared to even 20-30 years ago is living large compared to most of the world

>The military is over 50% of the federal budget, no amount of accounting tricks will change reality.

Wrong.

Buy insurance or get a job where it's provided. Literally I don't fucking care about you and I'm not paying for your healthcare.

I'd willingly become uninsured again. I'm only insured because of the (((IRS))).

>we should also allow prescription drugs to be sold freely with no need to consult a doctor as that raises costs, google can do just as good a job picking out your drugs as a doctor

Says someone with zero medical experience or knowledge. There would be a billion problems with this and would make it so easy to abuse pharmaceutical drugs it's ridiculous. Picking out medication while keeping in mind side effects and adverse combinations is not simple or safe to be left to Google.

this guy's posts read like they were taken from the CTR playbook--he engaged that guy in bad faith then started shrieking about trump and israel once it was obvious you were wrong. does anyone know if CTR is still active, or is there another shill group that's taken up the mantle?

It was. The vast majority of people could afford it and had their choice of providers.

Leftists who are gullible went along with the plan to get everyone on the government reliance program, prices skyrocketed, AND your Obamacare designer guy named Gruber even admitted on camera that its a scam that only passed because of the 'stupidity of the American voter'.

>Uninsured almost double

Good, most of the people who were forced to buy health insurance just so they could qualify for a tax refund will be glad not to pay into a system which they can't afford the copays to actually use.

He's definitely still on mommy's health care. In typical lib fashion, he doesn't care whose life he's affecting since it's not his.

This has to be bait.

Obamacare forces the people who don't want to have health insurance, to get health insurance. A 1 million difference isn't that bad for a plan in development for a president that isn't even in office yet. Fucking retard.

/leftypol/

this. i feel bad for my coworker with 3 kids who had his premiums shoot up under obamacare. he genuinely had no idea that could even happen.

You should have focused on a solvent safety net program instead of crashing the medical service sector of the economy and trying to federalize everything which effects EVERYONE.

Why do you prefer to trust the government with your health user?

ahhhhh, thanks. makes sense.

>American "poverty"
I've lived in poverty before. Man it sure was awful to have all my food covered for me and a phone provided by the government, not to mention rental assisstance.

This. Obamacare is a mandate to spend money on medical insurance. What a surprise that insurance rates went up when customers were forced to buy their products.

Prices shot up AND medicines for people with uncurable diseases are being dropped from coverage. Happening to my family as well. Fun stuff.

You seem to have very low aspirations...

> What a surprise that insurance rates went up when customers were forced to buy their products.
This is what gets me the most about the left praising a policy that was literally made to benefit the same companies they constantly bitch about.

I have no problem paying for insurance that I rarely use so my retired grandparents and parents get healthcare they need. However, fuck deadbeats that have never worked a day in their life that think they deserve my money.

>Man who said he would bring in business leaders to run country brings in business leaders to run country

Tomorrow you tell the healthcare industry that everyone is indured and all procedures are paid 100%. And a small watchdog agency is going to regulate prices for every facility in the country. Every hospital, regardless of facility quality, staffing needs, training, and location is paid the same. Now, with that in mind, how much do you think the taxpayers are going to pay? Do you think every facility operates on the same prices? Much like Medicare and Medicaid, the government is going to be gouged because they have no way of forcing their pricepoint and they cannot refuse to pay for healthcare costs.

Obamacare was designed to destablalize the private insurance industry. I could go on at length about how this is occurring.

A quick modern political history of the US will reveal the democrats wetdream is really a single payer system, which has been rejected by the American people over and over again.

Their response? Sabotage. Pass a more moderate healthcare plan which secretly causes so much chaos to the private insurance market, that premiums will skyrocket, coverage will get worse, and by the time things are about to collapse, Obama's successor could come in and "save us all" with the single payer system.

It's a sabotage tactic to force people into single payer instead of letting them choose it on their own. Bill Clinton even said this almost explicitly. Hillary herself admitted it had structural problems which could never be resolved and that we needed to "strengthen" the program. (aka single payer insurance). Let's not forget one of Hillary's first ventures into politics as First Lady was her endorsement of single payer insurance. It was unpopular so she dropped it. Now they have to be a little more clever about forcing it on us.

But Hillary blew it and lost so their plans may very well go to shit in the final plays of the game.

And commies

>Much like Medicare and Medicaid, the government is going to be gouged

This simply isn't true. Many doctors and hospitals simply don't accept Medicaid because reimbursement rates are so low. The ones that do take them have to offset the loss by charging private insurance a higher amount.

Let me tell you how not to run a country.
The total cost of healthcare services (including administrative costs) is ~$700b in America. The government spends ~$1.1tr on medical aide. $400b in overhead to administer a process that somehow still doesn't pay the ~$700b. We should just have state-run alternative hospitals that treat you for free, and let doctors run their own practices for people who want better service.

>HURR THE POOR DON'T HAVE A LARGER SHARE SO THEY MUST BE WORSE OFF

Meanwhile in reality:
>Most people living in officially defined poverty in the 21st century have things like cable television, microwave ovens and air-conditioning. Most Americans did not have such things, as late as the 1980s. People whom the intelligentsia continue to call the "have-nots" today have things that the "haves" did not have, just a generation ago.

If statins hadn't fucked up my dad as severely as they did I'd have more faith in your competence.

You guys are for sale ...

>equally slaves
Neck yourself pinkofag

Just get insured haha just get a nice job it's that easy