Stormfriends claim that the 6 million figure is inaccurate

Stormfriends claim that the 6 million figure is inaccurate.

So how many Jews REALLY died at the hands on the Nazis?

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Not enough, regardless of the figure.

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i actually went to the death camps and believe me something does not add up. like the size of the death camp (Auschwitz) and number of ovens and things like size of alleged gas chambers and so mucho more

sage

>so much
mexicans in estonia? what a diverse world

About 400 thousands, and even that is mostly British/American fault

But the more important question is - even if it was 60 million - WHY IS THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL? Why is this necessary to remind of it every fucking day as if it was something important and unusual? How killing a couple million people warrants this bullshit daily reminders, thousands of movies and books and whatnot? You don't see that much stuff being made about Holodomor, or mass murders on Germans, or even massacring over 100 million Indians. Now jews have created sufficient amount of whining material to warrant to keep gassing them on yearly basis for at least couple million years.

Why do stormfags say the holocaust is a hoax when there is evidence not just of the death of ~6 million Jews but ~6 million non-Jew Christian eastern Europeans such as Catholic Poles and Orthodox Russians? The holocaust includes 12million victims, of which only half are Jews. Could it just be that neonazi kids want to be like Hitler and hate Slavic "untermensch" as well?

Shill
and
Sage

>died at the hands of the hands of the Nazis
None, the holocaust was a tragedy forced on the germans by the vile MUSLIM grand mufti of Jerusalem.

Is it me or does the number go up every year?? I could have sworn it was 3.5 million 2 years ago

See they keep trying to up the number constantly!!?

can u no read?
its bait-shill thread.
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sage

>eesti in auschwitz

LOL what a fucking circle jerking hate site stormfron t is. The nazis lost. Get over it.

Not enough if what goes on today is any indication. I also love how jews play the victim but you need to do some really retarded shit to turn a nation against you. Hitler didn't just wake up, point to the jews and win everyone over.

Good luck finding any tangible proof that any died at all.

Watch the David Cole video
Read the Leuchter report

Don't come back until you do.

Hitler did not target Jews specifically. He targeted communists. It just happens that Jews promote Marxism. ((( pure coincidence)))

I never understood stormfront people. They hate the jews, Hitler was a cool guy and a God. They want the jews dead, but they deny that Hitler killed that many. Why would they say that someone that killed people they hate, killed less of them? Anyways, I want the jews dead too, same with niggers and so on ofc. They were made for a different time. They worked the year 400, after that, evolution should have killed them off.

At least 4, leading experts say.

Zero because there were no party in Germany called ''Nazi''.

Might be true, but I saw the note from Himmler on Sup Forums where he said they were targeting jews. Mught be counterfit tho.

How many European Gentiles really died at the hands of (((Bolsheviks)))?

Holy shit.
I understand why they are depicted as being cousins of finnish.

Zero were murdered by Nazis. Obviously a lot died from disease and hunger because it's hard to feed prisoners when your country is getting dumped on in a war. It was nowhere near 6 mil tho because the Jewish population didn't change much before and after the war.

There is virtually zero evidence to support the holocaust in the first place, id love to see the document if you have it

none. The holocaust is a liberal hoax. The nazis loved jews and treated them exceptionally.

For total Jewish WW2 deaths, Jews are currently pushing a 3 million figure. I think less than a million Jews died at the hands of the nazis in non-combat situations (based on Red Cross figures corroborated by the Soviets), almost all from starvation, typhus, execution as criminals/collaborators/saboteurs/partisans/communists. If you include Eastern Front war dead and other Allied deaths in the Jews' 3 million, you would get a figure of less than a million that way too.

Not enough, clearly

He means the Ukraine one. Assuming it's genuine, it doesn't even refer to the Third Reich territories.

>Why
>when there is evidence
That's the problem. There is no evidence. And a LOT of discrepancies, fraud and lies.

I'd recommend skipping the opening part of Denying History about how the jew "dindu nuffin" and just pay attention to the presentation of the evidence of the progression from deportation from the Reich to no options but killing them as they arrived to camps

Not to mention the fact that Nuremberg was a total farce of fair trials. Didn't they claim that the Nazis had a laser to evaporate Jews, and that they made lampshades out of dead Jews? The whole thing is really shady.

If the Reich was truly committed to killing all Jews, why would they go through the process of,
1. Round them up
2. Put them on trains
3. Ship to camps
4. Leave for a while
5. Kill

Why didn't they just kill them as soon as they were captured?

What are you talking about? There are literally bookshelves worth of documents.

Kek

I r8 this b8 8/8 m8

seriously though shill your way off of Sup Forums

there is a reason by the way the jews always started the "6 million jews in danger of death" narrative all the time before ww2 because their scripts says they can come back to israel when they are 6 million less. so they tried to fake it all the time until with hitler they finally got a credible storyline giving legitimization of israel among their own people (since they are now allowed to go back to israel) and among foreigners (because the poor jews). thats why it is so important for them that no less than 6 million died in the holocaust

>6 million Jews live in Eastern Europe
>6 million Jews died in the Holocaust
>therefore the Holocaust didn't happen

???

>I could have sworn it was 3.5 million 2 years ago
Unlike what Sup Forums would have you believe, historians do disagree on the total numbers of Jews killed in the Holocaust. The number that most historians agree on is around 5.7 million, which is then rounded up to six million in secondary sources for convenience.

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A little truth in both because they are rounding up from 4.5 million or so.

6 million is most probably wildly exxeggareted. either way it wasnt a systematic holocaust as they make it out to be. jews were detained, yes, most probably some were used for experiments are were subjected to sadistic deeds, but the majority of the deaths werent caused by it.
imagine you are at war. do you rather spend your ressources in killing the jews or use the jews as new ressources, cheap labour, and further the warmachinery? also the germans themselves were starving during the war, how do you expect them to supply the prisoners if not even the normal people can eat? same goes for medicine. additionally the allies bombed the traintracks making it even more difficult to suply the camps.

>So how many Jews REALLY died at the hands on the Nazis?

None. Civilian supply lines got bombed to shit and prisoners were the lowest priority for food/etc.
The holohoax could have happened in literally any country losing a war- as long as their enemies were as willing to be uncivilized savages for their jewish masters as the brits and americans.

The soviet union (run by american jews from new york) used the american press to project their own genocidal intentions in eastern europe onto western europeans, wrongly.

tl;dr jews believe the goyim are barbarous and evil because the jews are.

Are you stupid or something???
The majority of Jews were rounded up and shot in the occupied areas of the Soviet Union. The rest in camps

>either way it wasnt a systematic holocaust as they make it out to be.
They were systematically rounded out of their ghettos and into the camps, then their belongings were systematically sorted and seized, then they were put into special barracks according to their place in the system (men, women, political prisoners, etc.), then when they dies they were systematically stripped of clothing, gold fillings taken out, and sent into mass graves/ovens.
How is it not systematic?

>imagine you are at war. do you rather spend your ressources in killing the jews or use the jews as new ressources, cheap labour, and further the warmachinery?
Depends if you think keeping the Jews alive is a danger. Or if you harbor a hatred for Jews for any reason. Or if your war is going well or not.

>lso the germans themselves were starving during the war, how do you expect them to supply the prisoners if not even the normal people can eat?
There is a reason most of the prisoners were starving.

>additionally the allies bombed the traintracks making it even more difficult to suply the camps.
That doesn't excuse the Germans for rounding the Jews into the camps in the first place.

Actually, I believe around a third of the Jews who were killed in the Holocaust died in the USSR.

the jews were rounded up because previously they tried a revolution and to overthrow the government like it happened a few other times in other countries in europe during that time. so they cant try that again they were rounded up. and sure they were handled systematically, but they werent systematically killed. otherwise all the camps would have been empty most of the time since all it needs is a bullet into the head and you will have a camp empty till lunchbreak. the pits to bury the bodies could have easily been dug with an excavator. why would there still be any survivors of the camp if the sole reason for the camp was to kill the inmates?

>the jews were rounded up because previously they tried a revolution and to overthrow the government
Only in Bavaria, and not even close to all combatants were Jews. It is a good reason to hate Jews though. But that still doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen, it just establishes a motive for it.

>They were systematically rounded out of their ghettos and into the camps, then their belongings were systematically sorted and seized, then they were put into special barracks according to their place in the system (men, women, political prisoners, etc.), then when they dies they were systematically stripped of clothing, gold fillings taken out, and sent into mass graves/ovens.
The Americans did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons with Japanese citizens.

>6 million
In 1939, there were 15 million jews in the world according to the World Almanac.

Between 1939-1945, 6 million jews die in the holocaust.

In 1945, that would leave about 9 million jews.

Assume for argument's sake that jews had the same population growth as whites (in fact it is lower). There were 700 million whites in 1945. Now there are about a billion. Call it a 50% increase to be generous.

So one would expect the jewish population today to be about 15 million again (13.5, but let’s be generous again). This is a fair assumption to make, since both the MSM

theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/28/jewish-global-population-approaches-pre-holocaust-levels

And google

google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=world jewish population

make the same assumptions.

HOWEVER, when you actually inspect the censuses, there are at least 20 million jews in the world or as many as 23 million, as stated here on page 88.

jewishdatabank.org/studies/downloadFile.cfm?FileID=3257

This is the source of the wikipedia data on the world jewish population.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country#Countries_and_Territories

Notice that there are two figures for the total number of jews in the world (the (((Guardian))) and (((google))) of course report the lower number) with exactly 6 million discrepancy. Is this pure coincidence???

Why do they need two totals? What extra people are included in the "Enlarged Jewish Population" total?

>The “enlarged” Jewish population includes the sum of (a) the “core” Jewish population; (b) all other people of Jewish parentage who, by “core” Jewish population criteria, are not currently Jewish (e.g. they have adopted another religion or otherwise opted out); and (c) all respective non-Jewish household members (spouses, children, etc.)
NB
>all other people of Jewish parentage
>children
jpr.org.uk/map

Aren't these people jews???

never said it didnt happen. but i believe the numbers are exaggerated, and that it was not nearlly of systematic killing spree as they make it out to be. most just died due to lack of food and medicine everyone in germany suffered, while some probably were also killed to keep stuff secret when the end of the war came. but they definitely werent put in camps just to kill them or the camps would all have been empty already

- No actual physical evidence. Where are the ashes of millions of people?
- No prussian blue staining on alleged gas chambers. Meanwhile delousing chambers heavily stained
- No ventilation system.
- How were the bodies disposed? Huge waste of a scarce and valuable coke. Were trains running constantly delivering coke? When allied bombing interrupt supply lines did bodies start piling up? Why not?
-Ausowitz survivors include many jews who were not used for labour
- Aushowitz went from 4 million to 1 million. 6 million total remained unchanged
- Illegal to ask these questions. Plebbit/askhistorians will just delete the thread as revision not allowed
- Nuremburg testimonies gotten through torture. Hoss admitted that 2.5 million people were exterminated by gassing and burning by 1943. But now the officials story is less than a million total died there of all causes


The ultimate redpill is that the holocaust is a lie. I kinda feel that the holocaust lie is the entire point of western education now a days. All people must know about zyklon b.... but dont ask any questions.

6 million over 6 years is 30000 jews a day

I seriously doubt there even were that many jews

3000* shit

>he Americans did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons with Japanese citizens.
As far as i know, the Americans didn't murder the citizens in their internment camps.

>that would leave about 9 million jews.
This fits statistics from the era.

>So one would expect the jewish population today to be about 15 million again (13.5, but let’s be generous again).
>Core Jewish population: 14,212,800
Again, the statistics fit.

>HOWEVER, when you actually inspect the censuses, there are at least 20 million jews in the world or as many as 23 million, as stated here on page 88.
That's the enlarged population, not the core one, You're comparing the wrong numbers.

>Notice that there are two figures for the total number of jews in the world with exactly 6 million discrepancy.
5.9 million discrepancy, but close enough.

>Is this pure coincidence?
No, most censuses tend to produce different results when measuring different things.

>Why do they need two totals?
To calculate those who are allowed into Israel by the Law of Return, which are not just people who are part of the core Jewish population.

>Aren't these people jews?
It depends on the definition of "Jew".

So what was the point of this?

>i believe the numbers are exaggerated and that it was not nearlly of systematic killing spree as they make it out to be
Why?

>most just died due to lack of food and medicine
That goes for the Holodomor too, but that doesn't mean it wasn't deliberate.

>but they definitely werent put in camps just to kill them or the camps would all have been empty already
Or maybe those supply shortages you mentioned had something to do with it. The Jews were used as slave labor as we know, with most of the ones who were too weak to work simply being killed. This isn't disputed, but it still doesn't disprove that there was a deliberate and systemic attempt to kill Jews.

I heard an interesting theory about judaism

In the torah it was foretold that 6 million jews must disappear before israel can be created.

Imagine you are a jew, who beleives in the torah as we believe in kek. How do you avoid this shoah? Well... if we lie and say 6 million were killed, and the whole world including jews beleive it, then the person who wrote the prophecy would believe it as well. By creating the 6 million lie it explains the prophecy without an actual shoah happening

I need the pic that blows this one out

Saved

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>The Americans did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons with Japanese citizens.

Well, they did a pretty crappy job, considering the fact that most of them survived.

Who knows, we're forbidden to talk about it so anyone worth a shit who could find out ain't looking. I sure the fuck don't trust the Jews estimates.

national socialists didn't kill anyone.

>American education
How are you forbidden from talking about it?

>As far as i know, the Americans didn't murder the citizens in their internment camps.
As far as we know, neither did the Germans.

>jews are the only ethnicity on earth that require two different totals for their population and it's pure coincidence that the difference is 6 million
That is the rest of your post.

His mom won't let him.

>Your pic
Yes, the numbers were revised. Let's examine how. They explain here in this jewish source.

nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/worldalmanac.html

NB how in 1949 the World Almanac mysteriously revised its post-war figure to 11 million (they don't explain how). However, this still didn't fit their story of 6 million, so they also had to mysteriously revise their pre-war figure by 1 million too (they don't explain how).

1948 actual: 15,753,638
1949 revised: 11,266,600
1938 actual: 15,748,091
1939 revised: 16,643,120

Look at who was making these revisions. It wasn't the World Almanac on its own. There was another organisation called the American Jewish Committee working with them, producing a different set of data.

If true, it would mean that despite all the chaos of post-WWII Europe, some random agency in America was able to take more accurate censuses of pre- and post-war Europe than the World Almanac could at the time in question.

It would also mean that, despite all the chaos of pre-WWII Europe, during 1 year the jewish population mysteriously EXPLODED by 895,029 or 5.7%, or 285% faster than the world population growth rate at this time of around 2%.

The Nizkor source itself explains that the numbers weren't revised because of a new census.

>"WHERE THE EXTRA POPULATION BETWEEN 1938 AND 1939 CAME FROM IS NOT CITED, THOUGH ONE MIGHT SPECULATE..."

No, merely to fit retroactively the mystical number of 6 million, as stated in the letter at the bottom of the source.

>"THE AUTHORITIES AGREE THAT HITLER'S WHOLESALE MASSACRE OF JEWS DURING THE WAR REDUCED THE JEWISH POPULATION TO PERHAPS 12 MILLION TODAY."

What authorities? By what means? Not the World Almanac, that is certain. The AJC just lied.

It is all a lie. It’s time to accept this historical fact.

>As far as we know, neither did the Germans.

Yes, they've just mysteriously disappeared into thin air.

>It depends on the definition of "Jew".
No it doesn't. If your parents are Jews, you're a Jew. It's not hard.

in germany at least its illegal to say that the holocaust didnt happen
should be reason enough for people to start saying it didnt happen

>should be reason enough for people to start saying it didnt happen

That's a logical fallacy.

>mysteriously disappeared
Yes. Gee, I wonder where they could've gone. Hypothetically speaking, if there were a country that just appeared out of thin air immediately after the war containing millions of European Jews who immigrated there illegally, that would explain it. Hmm...

Most jews were not killed in death camps. Huge numbers of jews were shot in the east by Einsatzgruppen and allied local militias. There is plenty of documentary evidence, German records themselves list over a million being simply rounded up, taken to open pits, and shot.

As the Germans were pushed back west in 43 and onward, we even have documentary evidence from the germans themselves of efforts to find old massacre sites, have jews dig them up, burn the bodies, spread the ashes on local fields, and then be killed themselves. We have contemporary german reports, we have eyewitnesses both from survivors, onlookers, and perpetrators.

There are mountains of paperwork for all of this. It exists, its not difficult to find, if all you do is read wikipedia articles you may say "hmm there are holes here!" which you then extrapolate into conspiracies

Zero. Those who killed Jews weren't real Nazis.

>if there were a country that just appeared out of thin air immediately after the war containing millions of European Jews who immigrated there illegally, that would explain it. Hmm...

Actually, it wouldn't explain much because that the Jewish population of Israel is around six million...today.

You're a Jew if your mother is a Jew, or if you've converted. Children of a converted Jew mother must also convert to be Jewish.

Jews no doubt died, can't deny that.

But people denying the very logistics of killing so many jews in that time span, is crazy. Not even germans could work that hard.

Not all of them, sadly.

not to mention the full-scale exodus of surviving European Jews to Israel did not begin en masse until after the war

>But people denying the very logistics of killing so many jews in that time span, is crazy

In Rwanda, over 500 thousand people were killed in three months, mostly with machetes.

hmm thats just what the (((Tutsi))) want you to think

Dammit I'm so late

Every fucking time we have this thread it boils down to this

Most went on vacation and just never returned, like a couple of thousand died from typhoid.

Truth is MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of Eastern European Jews made a deal amongs themselves to keep quiet, and walked from Lublin to Kiev to Georgia, crossed more mountains, walked across Syria and ended up in Israel.
Its the only logical explanation. So pls stop asking.

Like I don't understand the photo. Jews smell money? Jews suck money? Jews have vacuums on their noses? Jews are suckers for money? Jews are money suckers? Jews like to clean up money?

What's the point of the vacuum?

Yes, and if you assume a generous 50% growth rate, then that would mean that that 6-7 million came from 4.5 million Jews. On top of that, the Jewish population of America has increased by around the same amount as Israel. See More than enough to cover a large portion, if not the whole of what is claimed as 6 million deaths.

>jews are the only ethnicity on earth that require two different totals for their population
Yes, because they're the only ethnicity on Earth who actively campaign for people of their ethnicity abroad to come settle in their country, and the laws which decide who is allowed to settle define the Jewish ethnicity differently from other censuses.

>it's pure coincidence that the difference is 6 million
Do you have any evidence it isn't?

>NB how in 1949 the World Almanac mysteriously revised its post-war figure to 11 million (they don't explain how)
But they do. They point out their sources, which have more up-to-date information than the 1948 almanac. Notice how the '48 edition shows the population of Europe increase by 77 million even though WW2 happened between those years. That's because the 1948 edition doesn't use up-to-date sources.

>Look at who was making these revisions. It wasn't the World Almanac on its own.
Of course not, the World Almanac doesn't perform censuses on it's own. It has sources.

>It is all a lie. It’s time to accept this historical fact.

Except you have no evidence, only speculation.


>We should do things because they are illegal
?

That's the core Jewish population, the one that fits your calculations and which you conveniently have ignored. The Expanded Jewish population, the one you cite, is people with a degree of Jewish ancestry or converts, or a mix of the two. A man with a Jewish father might not be considered a Jew by a census in the US, but he can still be considered a Jew and therefore eligible to settle in Israel. That is what the "different definitions " are referring to.

That is the period of time we are talking about.

nope, they want us to not criticise and think about it, that should make everyone realize they are trying to hide something

>That's the core Jewish population
Nope. The core population EXCLUDES children and non-jewish children.


>The “enlarged” Jewish population includes the sum of (a) the “core” Jewish population; (b) all other people of Jewish parentage who, by “core” Jewish population criteria, are not currently Jewish (e.g. they have adopted another religion or otherwise opted out); and (c) all respective non-Jewish household members (spouses, children, etc.)
NB
>all other people of Jewish parentage
>children
jpr.org.uk/map

yes, they all walked to Israel, 1942-1945
Long walk it was

5.3-5.5 millions are estimated.

It's a personal device mounted on your nose to pick up money you've dropped on the floor.

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Are we looking at the same graph? There weren't 4,5 million Jews in Israel until the 90s. Plus, you also have to assume that all the migrants came from nazi-occupied territories, which is also false.

>Yes, because
That's not an explanation. Either there are 14 million Jews in the world, or 20 million.

>Do you have any evidence it isn't?
No one looking at these numbers objectively is going to come to any other conclusion than that they are fudged to accommodate the holocaust. Whether that's right or wrong, there's not much you can do about it and absolutely nothing to stop me pointing it out every day till the day I die.

>They point out their sources, which have more up-to-date information than the 1948 almanac.
No they don't. That's the problem. Their sources are, "6 million Jews died during the holocaust, therefore this is the new population figures." That's not how censuses work.

>It has sources.
Yes, which I listed. The American Jewish Committee.

>Except you have no evidence, only speculation.
Just like the holocaust.

When the war started a lot of jews were evacuated to the east Russia, behind the front lines, and later moved to Israel, USA and Europe.

It's clearly a logical fallacy. For example, in my country, it's illegal to deny the crimes of communism. Therefore, obviously, there were no crimes, right?

when we're done with your country we're taking over Europe, gringo.

>the crimes of communism

Enjoying your democracy yet cucks?

>There weren't 4,5 million Jews in Israel
LEGALLY
>until the 90s
And where did they come from? Materialise out of thing air? Because in 1945 there were only half a million Jews in THE WHOLE OF ASIA, that's Iran, India and everywhere else with large Jewish populations in Asia.

>you also have to assume that all the migrants came from nazi-occupied territories
There were no other large populations of Jews on earth except nazi-occupied territories. Except America. And the American Jewish population has increased at an even greater rate than Israel, despite having lower birth rates and higher assimilation and racemixing rates, so they can't have been predominantly coming from there.