Why are you letting yourself get cuckolded by Jews through estrogen in the water, xenoestrogens in food and plastics?
You DO supplement testosterone, right?
You do realize that Testosterone is what makes a man, a man? And that modern """men""" have a small percentage of the testosterone our grandfathers had?
/fit/ here
The main problem with testosterone is when you hop on it, there's no going back. You need to pin yourself pretty much for the rest of your life
>protip: that lab is shit
>>protip: that lab is shit
t. proroids shill
No it isn't lmao
explain
and why would you want to go back to being a low test cuck exactly?
I've been on and off the stuff all the time. That's what people do. Cycle it.
Plus there are plenty of examples online that prove you wrong. Even retired Mr. Olympia winners, and they take a fucking TON of gear.
Yeah but when you take it you produce less so unless your sucking it out of the horse in the backyard your one nuclear event away from having half as much as everyone else.
No he means if you stop doing roids you testosterone will be even lower than before
Enjoy your tits
>No he means if you stop doing roids you testosterone will be even lower than before
There is absolutely no evidence for this.
And why would you ever stop? for what reason?
Zero proof whatsoever.
People use HCG to come off cycles and that rapidly reactivates your natural test levels back to normal.
Hell yeah you produce less. That's what happens when you take synthetic hormones.
The issue is that I don't care if it does because I'm taking synthetic hormones to replace my natural levels anyway.
I took a basic biology class in college, and the way they explained it, was that when you replace a hormone, the part of your body that creates it gets really small from atrophy, and the next thing that receives it gets really big.
I forget the details, but I always wondered why someone shrinks their testes instead of flooding their body with the precursor to testosterone, which in the rat I was looking at made his balls huge and upped his T levels.
>relying on drug supplements to try to make yourself more of a man
>being this insecure about your masculinity
Dependency is what really makes you a cuck. Live a healthy lifestyle, my man.
optimal testosterone levels ARE healthy, though.
I'm pretty sure that doesn't give you nearly as much test levels as actual roids do, and can be deadly for someone trying to get actual gains from it.
>Masculinity
But testosterone is literally the difference between a man and a woman.
but the problem with tesostrone though is that it causes balding and other health problems in later life lie increased risk of heart attack, high blood pressure and so forth your body makes natural testosterone and flushes estrogen shit out Your body flushes other things aswell.
like*
>not wanting to exploit this problem
>not wanting to be a/have more qt trap semen demons
>not wanting to shit on women, by having men who are better at being women than them
>not wanting women to be more manly and to go far right wing because they would feel outdated now that trannies/traps have taken away their vagina powers.
Think about it, is it really so bad jews are dumping floride and birth control in the water?
Let me guess; you're a steroid user in your 20s that don't know personally know any roider that is older than 35 ?
Inject test for 10+ years and then come off. See what happens. Your muscles will fade away, you'll feel like shit, and if you think you can simply do a PCT and come back with your previous natural test levels, think again.
Just a reminder that steroid horror stories don't make the news so you probably never hear anything negative about test. They're pretty much "look good now, pay the price later"
>but the problem with tesostrone though is that it causes balding
It doesn't CAUSE balding, it only speeds it up in people pre-disposed to it due to follicle sensitivity to DHT.
If you were already balding/suppose to bald anyway then yes steroids will bring it on quicker. But it doesn't CAUSE it.
>other health problems in later life lie increased risk of heart attack, high blood pressure
That's why you do cardio and live a healthy lifestyle in addition to it. It doesn't cause these problems in otherwise healthy men unless you're running a crazy stack and refusing to do Cardio.
>600ng/dl when i was measured at 22
>never had a problem with girls
>still make gains despite being small framed
>generally happy, despite moderate anxiety which is probably just normal
why should I spend money on this?
Actually there is, It would stop because your balls wont need to produce testosterone while on it. After long term usage your balls will not function the same because you stopped using them to make hormones. Also if you don't use estrogen blockers while on test your estrogen levels will increase because your body reacts to the high testosterone level. Saw a guy develop women nipples because of it. funny shit desu.
>putting a foreign synthesized hormone into your body
and you thought you had health problems before
/thread
>Inject test for 10+ years and then come off
Wouldn't that be correlated with your age though? You probably aged into your mid 30's and 40's by then. Which wouild explain your low T.
And why stop, ever? There's no reason to do so.
>Your muscles will fade away
They will obviously "fade" but you'll still have a major advantage over a lifelong natural lifter.
There is quite a bit of research on this done.
>and if you think you can simply do a PCT and come back with your previous natural test levels, think again.
You can bring out the big guns - Triptorelin. It will spring your nuts back into action even from 30 years of roiding (not literally)
>Actually there is
Actually there ISN'T.
There is no empirical evidence to show this.
>Also if you don't use estrogen blockers while on test your estrogen levels will increase because your body reacts to the high testosterone level. Saw a guy develop women nipples because of it. funny shit desu.
Ever heard of Aromasin?
Ever heard of letrozole, caber?
>Just a reminder that steroid horror stories don't make the news so you probably never hear anything negative about test. They're pretty much "look good now, pay the price later"
They don't make it to the news because they don't exist.
If you're not a fucking retard who blasts 3 grams of tren and never does cardio you don't have problems.
Love how you just drop "that lab is shit btw" without explaining why or how they've wronged you.
I've seen plenty past 30. Not in real life, I'll give you that, but I've only found evidence to the contrary of what you're saying.
And muscle fading is what happens when you come off for good. That's just what has to happen if you remove the one thing that gave you such big muscles in the first place.
But feeling like shit? Never heard of that. Like I said, you HAVE to come off cycle at some point otherwise your liver will kill you. That means bringing your natrual test levels as far back to normal as you can otherwise you lose gains super fast before you hop on again.
It's all par for the course that someone gain their natural test levels back completely.
>Dude it's synthetic that must mean it's bad 4 u
Nice appeal to nature fallacy.
You sound like a vegetarian talking about how GMOs and vaccines MUST be bad for you because "Lol it's not le natural"
Yeah yeah
But I bet all the estrogen in our water and all the fucking High Fructose Cornsyrup MUST be natural for us, really helping ur endrocrine system there
PIC RELATED he phrased it better than i could.
>your one nuclear event away from having half as much as everyone else.
If there's a nuclear winter and you can't get testosterone I think there's a LITTLE Bit bigger problems than your testosterone levels at that point.
i don't like man asshole and dick, but if you do that's okay I guess, I mean it is 2017
You fuckbois do what you want.
Honestly if you get your blood checked and your natural test levels turns out low, I see no problem getting on a TRT dose, as low-test life sucks.
However if you're a young man that injects to attract club slut, you're a dumbass. The natty limit after 5 years is plenty to impress chicks and make em wet
I figured there's gotta be a reason, and you're probably right. I just remember that rat with giant balls and elevated T levels. There's always a catch.
Are you fucking joking OP?
I unironically drink gallons of tea every day and I've got a nice full beard, lean muscle mass, and a desire to punch you in your stupid face.
Stop blaming your tiny penis on Jews
Are supplements like ZMA worth taking? Considering my diet isn't great. Apparently a lot of zinc goes into spunk, so you are literally draining yourself of something thats vital for test production.
Dude you're full of shit, just shut the fuck up.
You're backpedaling so hard and I love how you said "le that lab sucks" meme and refuse to explain. My friends and I have been with this lab for years. Care to explain why it's bad so i can laugh at you?
No, I train 3 times a week. You actually need that shit to feel manly?
Train, drink and create/build something with your hands.
Be right back, I'm gonna chop some more firewood.
Post proof of xenoestrogen in food/plastic being in significant quantity and producing a significant effect on human health. I want to see hard scientific proof that cannot be doubted.
>to go back to being a low test cuck
Are you naturally low test? If yes, do the TRT, otherwise it's not worht it.
>otherwise it's not worht it.
It's definitely worth it
Even a TRT dose is above the average male test levels.
Again, steroid horror stories don't make the news.
A friend of mine hopped off after 10 years of cycles/blast n cruise because he wanted a kid.
He did a PCT. Didn't work
He went to a doctor and tried something else, didn't work. He saw 3 doctors so far and never worked, so he had to back to test at TRT dose.
But obviously my story is false because brick from /fraud/ says it's impossible
These are actual roids. I took them a few years ago. Worked well.
>be me
>be 42
>still have natural test levels of a guy in his mid-20s
>have medical condition that puts my vision in jeopardy if I take any additional testosterone
I'm good over here, senpai.
>Again, steroid horror stories don't make the news.
They don't exist, outside of le fearmongering and anecdotal evidence (My friend's friend's friend's dad took some dianabol once in the 70's and then got a heart attack and died!!!)
Your anecdotal story doesn't mean shit.
>A friend of mine hopped off after 10 years of cycles/blast n cruise because he wanted a kid.
And no shit you'll be infertile after blasting and cruising for 10 years. Is your friend a mental retard?
There isn't.
take it from endocrinologist, one of the reasons for feminization of men and faster development of girls, is being too fat.
Fatty tissue produces estrogen. Stop being fat, fixes itself.
>It's definitely worth it
Definitely fucking not. Why would it be?
Because testosterone has plenty of benefits beyond building muscle.
I'd use it even if I didn't lift. It's always worth it.
DON'T FUCKING DO THIS
IF YOU DON'T TAKE ESTROGEN BLOCKERS YOU'LL GET TITS
ALSO, ONCE YOU STOP TAKING THIS, YOU'LL PRODUCE TESTOSTERONE AT A SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER RATE
DON'T
BE
FUCKING
STUPID
>But obviously my story is false because brick from /fraud/ says it's impossible
How are you this mentally retarded?
He didn't say it's impossible, HE SAID THERE'S NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO SHOW THIS. AND THEREFORE NO REASON TO BELIEVE IT.
You'll have those benefits with your own optimal test as well. So TRT - what's the point then?
Yeah it's called an aromatase inhibitor you fucking retard
ZMA is a scam. Get Zinc (no more than 100% recommended daily), Vitamin D3 and Omega3 Fish oil.
Whey is nice to have if you're not getting enough protein from your diet.
If you're skinny you should also eat more.
In any case, you should fully quit porn, lift heavy 3-5 times a week and do cardio.
You will literally never again be able to produce test at natural levels ever.
Once you start, you can't stop.
Good fucking job moron.
GL with that 60% regular test levels and lack of erections.
the estrogen from BPA is only enough to affect children and babies your body builds more testosterone naturally if you aren't an unhealthy fat fuck
shooting test just to counteract little estrogen is going to boost your estrogen beyond normal levels to match the test you mong.
you are just turning yourself into a tranny after every cycle
Memes aside, don't do test or any androgens, unless you are dead set on becoming a competitive bodybuilder. I did, and I started losing hair (you'll say: "Should've done propecia faget", i'll get to that). Before I noticed the hair loss I also felt a wave of nausea, about six weeks into my cycle. My heart started beating weakly but fast, way too fast, it went on like this and I could only lie in the bed for several days for fear of my heart giving out. After a few days I could move about, but months after this, even a minor exertion would send my heart racing. Another complication was the hair, I noticed hair-loss and started taking propecia. The hair actually came back (still got 90% of it six years after the cycle), but my dick died. My libido crashed and sex was not pleasurable, it was hard to get a boner and when I could get it hard it felt different, and instead of shooting I now dribble. Six years after my cycle I still have a slight heart irregularity, thinner hair (though luckily most came back), weaker erections and libido (sex once a day is my max, and I have to try to muster up the sexual energy for that. Before propecia I could go three times a day without even trying) and shooting sperm is a thing of the past.
tldr: Don't do androgens unless you really want to become a bodybuilder as a career, and even then weigh the pros and cons.
>You will literally never again be able to produce test at natural levels ever.
[citation needed]
You literally cannot prove this with a citation.
>Once you start, you can't stop.
Why would I ever stop?
Did you do real, big dose cycles as well? Please inform us.
>the estrogen from BPA is only enough to affect children and babies
And what do you suppose children are exposed to, in their most vulnerable developmental stage?
>shooting test just to counteract little estrogen is going to boost your estrogen beyond normal levels to match the test you mong.
>you are just turning yourself into a tranny after every cycle
You are retarded
>Why would I ever stop?
Said every roider. Always.
roids are super dumb should have taken testosterone instead
You're the childish fucking retard here 2bh srs sry
TRT costs so fuckin much though
lol you are a fucking idiot and you need to return to your website of origin, nobody goes for that reddit skeptcuck bullshit here.
the true answer is eating foods and supplements that promote natural testosterone production and lower estrogen levels. i hear st johns wart is good in that regard, which might explain its effects on "mild depression"
>I'm a retard so everyone is too
1) I don't have any history of MPB In my family. No one in my family has any issue with balding. Anabolic steroids do not CAUSE it, they just speed it up if you were predisposed to it.
2) I do cardio every single day
Cool anecdotes tho bro
>Your anecdotal story doesn't mean shit
My best friend's story doesn't mean shit because it's "anecdotal" ? Sure buddy, whatever comforts you into believing steroids are harmless
I have a solid connect and it is very tempting but I'm going to wait until I'm closer to 40
I just want to rejuvenate my joints would HGH help with that?
What?
What reason is there to stop?
I get blood work done every 2-3 months.
i do cardio, I'm healthy by every measure. What possible reason would there be to stop?
Yeah but good luck affording non-Chinese HGH.
Greytops are good though.
Enjoy your meds and supplements, good goyim. Don't listen to all these gentiles, they don't know what your body needs but we do.
It was six years ago so I don't remember the exact dose. It was testosterone enanthate or something like that I think, test-E rings a bell. I think it was 200 or 250 mg once weekly that I did, stuck it in my thigh. I was very cautious about having clean needles, going deep enough, and pulling back a bit to see if there was blood in the needle so that I didn't hit a blood vessel, so improper execution was probably not the problem (note 'probably', I am not a doctor/nurse).
I followed recommendations from bodybuilding forums online on how to do it, what to do, and where to purchase, so unless you guys have doctor-friends that can hook you up with medical-grade test and inject for you, don't even think about this shit, and even then I think it's just plain dangerous to go high above normal levels, the heart is designed for a human body, not a gorilla-body.
greytop what? I have connects I can probably find a cheap supply just tell me what to ask for
Who do you think is banning testosterone while pushing alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana etc?
Gee I wonder, nice jew meme though.
Have fun, the balding is a joke side effect compared to the rest though. Have fun doing cardio when your heart gives out.
Taking testosterone directly destroys your ability to make testosterone.
>greytop what?
It's a brand name.
Pic related
Oh I've been having fun for years now.
30 minutes of cardio every single day, 55 resting heart rate and every health marker has been fine.
keep lapping up memes tho
Should I get filtered water?
Because pinning yourself every week for the rest of your life sucks
Because you might develop some health issues later in your life and your doctor will tell you to hop off
Yes good goy, you tell him. That organization trying to keep our drugs out of professional sports is no good, you should fight it so we can get the drugs to more people. It's for the good of the white race, goyim.
>I think it was 200 or 250 mg once weekly that I did
But that's pretty much nothing... just testosterone?
If you do this, don't you also likely need to take some type of blockers to prevent your estrogen from going up too?
You do know that sometimes users just die from sudden heart attacks, right? I'm not saying you are going to die, but I am saying: Don't fucking recommend this shit to people. Do what you want to be happy, but there are real dangers to this. Toying with the natural hormone levels in the body is not a joke.
pro-tip for when your balls shut down
>clomid+nolvadex--->toremifene +cabergoline
Part of being a man is a mental state too. Needing to inject yourself with juice to make you manlier is something a woman would do.
>Who do you think is banning testosterone while pushing alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana etc?
Irrelevant childish comment. The ratio of steroid users VS total alcohol, cigs and weed users is probably 1:100 000
Yes, I am aware, it was just a beginner cycle to feel it out. I am not saying that you'll die from this, or that what happened to me will happen to you, I'm just saying that it might. My advice: Train naturally, you don't need to look like a bodybuilder to be happy or to get girls. You just need to look like that if you actually want to be a bodybuilder.
>Because pinning yourself every week for the rest of your life sucks
It's not that bad. It's like flossing my teeth.
Yes, or if you start to feel your tits aching/growing at least.
>You do know that sometimes users just die from sudden heart attacks, right?
>Dude u'll sometimes just die even though every single one of your health markers has come back fine
Nice dude. Real smart.
I have 55 resting heart rate, do cardio every single day, all my blood work comes back fine each time, don't have high blood pressure, no problems at all.
BUT YEAH ILL SURELY DIE FROM A HEART ATTACK. come. the. fuck. on
Ok, I didn't know that doses that low can have that strong side effects
I had a perfect heart-rate as well until I didn't. It has happened in users, that is all I'm saying, sure you'll probably get a warning, what is your argument? Your heart is fine now so it will be fine forever? Sure, I hope that is the case for you.
You faggots realize that by taking synthetic Testosterone you are destroying your bodies ability to make its own right?
This means in old age you will suffer testosterone collapse and literally grow tits or your testes will be non-functional.
Avoid eating estrogens, soy, and HFCS.
will i do got a Testosterone injection every 2 weeks
>It has happened in users
Obviously but it depends what compounds you're taking, dose, lifestyle, pre existing conditions, etc etc.
Really quite a stretch to say it's even a significant concern if the obvious problems are eliminated.
Naturally I do not know exactly what happened, it might have been a really shitty batch that I injected that someone jizzed in or something, I'm just sharing my experience as a cautionary tale. Our bodies are complex things, and fucking with pecific chemical processes inside them is always risky, not everything is reversable, it is better to just try to be as healthy as possible. You don't miss certain things until they are gone.
>This means in old age you will suffer testosterone collapse
You'll suffer it anyway you fucking retard.
Look up the average testosterone levels of modern men to their grandfathers.
Many people are low test these days and your level start falling like a rock after 30-40 anyway.
>In old age
In old age you can just use TRT. There's absolutely no reason not to.