Community is a means to an end, not the end itself...

Community is a means to an end, not the end itself. Only by empowering the individual to reach their maximum potential do we achieve true freedom. Freedom of thought, of speech, of movement, of trade.

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individualism is retarded and destroys societies.

Collectivists focus on pursuing one common goal while the individualists focus on attempting to coexist while each pursuing their own. As such, even though collectivists empathise "the need of many" they do not deal well with democracy and lean towards autocracy

the problem with individualism is there aren't enough individualists
most people don't think in such selfish ways.

Are you literally retarded? Everyone thinks in selfish ways, especially "collectivists". Funny how that works.

We must recognise that "society" is but a convenient fiction, the by-product of individuals working toward parallel, overlapping, and contradictory goals. As it should be.

what? are you retarded?

democracy is the gold standard of collectivism, democracy is a god now

Collectivists tolerate the idea of slavery, while Individualists do not.

Individuality is valuable to improve yourself and reach your full potential, but it is also pathetically weak when confronted with a well organized group.

Collectivism and individuality should go hand in hand.

Jewtube: Age of the Self.

You are working HARD to end civilization. Keep going germbro, you me Canada and France will be first to fall. Will be glorious inshallah.

There exists, in all of us, a deep-seated fascination for the unknown. An adventurous spirit that rejects the familiar and glories in the unfamiliar, whatever or whomever it may be. We were never meant to journey alone.

You won't reach your potential without community. No man is an island.

On the path to mastery, one first improves the self, then the family, the tribe, and the nation.

It allows for more progress. If people are free to experiment with who they are and with how they want to do things, change can happen and society can improve.

But muh fanatic spiritualist/collectivist theocratic empire.

Muh ethics drift.

Fucking Paradox won't be half finished with that shit until next goddamn year and I'm ANGERY.

Meanwhile in reality:
>the individual is both shaped by and shapes the collective
>collectivism is an evolutionary mechanism that argues we should pull our skills together for greater returns for everyone and if it didn't work we would've abandoned it a long time ago
>the diverse ethnicities and races of humanity are not blank slates or 100% equal--they are different. some races evolved to be good at somethings and others at other things. get over it.
>collectivism isn't an evil or good concpet--it's just a concept. It can be used for good or evil just like almost anything in the world. A hammer could be used to smash someone's head in but since we have laws against things like that it's instead used to build homes and furniture and etc.

In an individualistic society, we do not require people to give up their true personalities in order to fit in. For example, an individualistic society might be more likely to allow a person to be openly gay where a collectivist society might force them to deny their sexuality so as not to make the rest of the group uncomfortable.

Fascism is better for empowering since they actually make you be better or kill you. Commies are lazy and corrupt. I have an old Russian guy on my block that lived through the ussr. He always tells me about how people in the Soviet Union would only do the bare minimum amount of work they had to and how prevalent bribery was.

> Muh Society is an abstraction, a myth, there are only individuals
People unironically say this without realizing that we literally can't effectively survive and genertically propagate by ourselves, and not knowing that virtually all successful life forms form collectives to become more competitive within their environment. Are you a fucking amoeba? Did you just spawn and go at things yourself from day one without help from anybody?

As civilized beings, the end of all armed conflict should be our primary concern. War is an evolutionary dead end, as futile as it is wasteful.

If you're saying human rights and collectivism can't coexist you're completely wrong.
And again, you assume that people's individual personalities are completely divorced from the mainstream ideals of the collective--they aren't.
Individuals don't exists in bubbles and vacuums drawing inspiration from their essence or whatever you think.

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Too simplistic. Too simplistic.

We can be a collective without being collectivized collectivists.Actually the problem is the converse, there's too many individuals.
Self sacrifice, courage, charity, the roots of heroism are entirely in contradiction with our modern understanding of individualism.
If everyone is an individual, no one is. I mean really, there is nothing individual about a non-individual.

Kek is with us.
We are fighting the good fight, brothers.

It allows for a more diverse and interesting society. If people are free to be themselves, a society can have differences. Otherwise, everyone will be the same and society is likely to be duller.

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If you look at history, the pyramid's top has always proven to be the bottom.
Those who can not self actualize can not live, even if they have everything.
Those who can, can live despite having nothing.

Why would it be duller?
What you're saying is instead of focusing our energy into society to make it great, we should let it just expand on the individual level.
That's retarded.
We wouldn't have anything we have today without the collective energy of man.

You're essentially saying a grenade is more precise than a bullet.

> What is a preventative war or reasonable conflict
what a laughable concept, do you not believe that conflict arises due to factors that actually prevent greater conflicts in the future?
If Europe became extremely violent right now in order to expel the overwhelming majority of niggers and sand niggers it would actually decrease internal conflict within the countries tremendously in the long term, even if there was greater overall conflict in the short term.

>Communism
>Freedom
Isn't that lolbertarian?

Conflict as a means to an end is a ridiculous concept. It is by nature destructive, destroying what was to be obtained or giving room to grow that which was to be destroyed.

Conflict is going to happen whether you like it or not, and it results when you bring entities together which differ in their ideas over what should happen or how power should be distributed. If your country becomes heavily Muslim demographically, then you're going to get fucked and it's going to come into conflict with you when they start making a bunch of stupid fucking horseshit demands. Do you believe that every individual is just some capable, high-IQ science enthusiast who wants to build and design things and contribute to the world? Fuck no, there are a ton of shitty stupid people in the world who will band together to fuck you over if you aren't ready to destroy them if they so much as threaten to do the same to you.

We must put away childish things; gods, spirits and other phantasms of the brain. Reality is cruel and unforgiving, yet we must steel ourselves and secure the survival of our race through the unflinching pursuit of science and technology archived trough indivualism.

Just remember that without collectivism and sacrifice there would be no community to speak of. If everyone worried about themselves and only themselves the world would look like some African village or Detroit.
Collectivism is thinking ahead. Individualism is selfish and infantile.

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I know that this is shitty bait but this isn't even trying nor defensible
> Survival of our race
First of all you're using a collectivist term here and admitting to care about it so you aren't a pure individualist.
Secondly, you're not going to put away those gods, spirits, and phantasms if the world becomes more black and brown, those people are stupid and way more religious than any other group of people.
Thirdly, this doesn't even matter if our collective race becomes a huge mass of violent nigger-tier retards who want to violently acid attack women in the streets, rape them just because. The less white and to some extent East Asian we as a race become the less scientifically, culturally, and technologically competent we will become, so what the fuck will there be to care about? We'll just be a bunch of idiots lorded over by oligarchs worshipping made up myths to keep us controlled since we aren't capable of doing anything.

Although it hurts, we must grow up and put aside our outdated notions of morality. There is no 'divine spark' granting special value to a living mind. No object has any intrinsic value apart from what we choose to grant it. Let us embrace the freedom of certitude, and achieve maximum efficiency in all things! Individualism is the only hope to archive that.

People living in individualist societies and 'multi-cultural societies,' something alien to Europe, feel no need to pay taxes or obey the law or doing anything than steal, rob, and protect their selfish interests. People can't be bothered to help their neighbors or to show kindness or charity.

Community is a parasite which must be dominated by the individual without apology, less they will be sucked dry by the vampires among them.

this is pure prejudice give me source.

Freedom means freedom for the group, not the individual. Because if someone isn`t a slave to his group then to another.

Free trade was a mistake.

German domination of the EU means it has conquered without war, and signing up to the EU is signing up to the Fourth Reich. Germany is at the geographic heart of the EU. It is also at least for the next two decades likely to remain the continent’s largest economy and most populous country.
Ask the Greeks if you think I exaggerate: Germany runs Europe without firing a shot. It forces far weaker partners to stay in a currency zone that is crippling them, and uses its economic muscle to dictate immigration and other key policies.
We have learned our lessons and today we focus on destroying europe again with our influence and economic power.
What did you expect?
A friendly germany? A germany that got no influence anymore? On nothing?
Great products with the stamp "made in germany" are superior to your inferior products.
We hold europe, if germany gets destroyed it will influence all other states around the world. We won this war.
What our soldiers couldn't achieve is what our ruthless economics achieved.
Destroying germany means destroying every other state in europe immediately and others in the longer run.

If you want maximum efficiency then you need to accept facts like pic-related.
Humans are not created equally. They aren't just numbers on a spreadsheet.

The individual is a byproduct of the community he's reared and the community is the byproduct of individuals. They're inseparable.

The only truth we can ever know is that of our own existence.

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Proof that multiculturalism is harmful to social cohesion.

this is not a legitimate source.

It is a credible source and has been cited as evidence that things like 'free movement of labor' reduce social cohesion.
Did you read it?

>Did you read it?
no why should i waste my time with a fanatic Xenophobe like you?

was for you

Stop quoting Stellaris.
It's a meme videogame made by a SJW studio in Sweden. It's not smart, it's not edgy, it's a remake of Master of Orion with shittier graphics.

Here you have some quotes by actual philosophers:

"All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."
Adam Smith, An Inquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations

"Probably nothing has done so much harm to the liberal cause as the wooden insistence of some liberals on certain rough rules of thumb, above all the principle of laissez-faire."
Hayek, "The Road to Serfdom" p.18 U of Chicago Press 1972

"Far from advocating a "minimal state", we find it unquestionable that in an advanced society government ought to use its power of raising funds by taxation to provide a number of services which for various reasons cannot be provided or cannot be provided adequately by the market."
Hayek, "Law, Legislation, and Liberty" 1982

"In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men the great difficulty lies in this: You must first enable the government to control the governed, and in the next place, oblige it to control itself."
James Madison, FEDERALIST. No. 51

"Men did not make the earth. It is the value of the improvements only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property. Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds."
Thomas Paine

KYS

And this one.


"Personal property is the effect of Society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally. Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist, the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation therefore of personal property, beyond what a man's own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes, on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came. This is putting the matter on a general principle, and perhaps it is best to do so; for if we examine the case minutely, it will be found, that the accumulation of personal property is, in many instances, the effect of paying too little for the labour that produced it; the consequence of which is, that the working hand perishes in old age, and the employer abounds in affluence. It is perhaps impossible to proportion exactly the price of labour to the profits it produces; and it will also be said, as an apology for injustice, that were a workman to receive an increase of wages daily, he would not save it against old age nor be much the better for it in the interim. Make then Society the treasurer to guard it for him in a common fund, for it is no reason that because he might not make a good use of it for himself that another shall take it."
Thomas Paine, "Agrarian Justice" 1797

Now you can KYS

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