"The deceptively anodyne term “cultural appropriation,” borrowed from academic jargon, doesn’t in itself convey the gravity it holds in certain circles. According to the online magazine Everyday Feminism, it describes “a particular power dynamic in which members of a dominant culture take elements from a culture of people who have been systematically oppressed by that dominant group.”
The idea results in a rubric that determines who is and is not allowed to engage in particular behaviors. Can you cook pho? Can you teach yoga? Can you wear your hair in cornrows? It depends on which culture you belong to. If you belong to a “dominant culture,” you really shouldn’t do any of that. Doing so would be theft at best, and violence at worst.
It may come as some surprise on both sides of the battlefield, but the Left has not always understood “cultural appropriation” as a form of oppression. This connotation of the term has become ubiquitous in today’s social media-driven political climate. But when it first came into use, “cultural appropriation” denoted very nearly the opposite of its contemporary meaning."
places like Jacobin must be envious of the alt-right. they spent so much time just trying to even imagine an alternative to the neoliberal order, much less producing propaganda that appeals to masses or doing productive activism. now the new nationalist groups are actually dismantling the neoliberal order and the Jacobin types can't even produce an accurate analysis of the phenomenon.
what is their point, that the alt-right is a reflection to neoliberal identity politics and so the alt-right is an expression of liberal capitalist ideology? is that the only way they can view any phenomenon, to determine whether it's good or bad based on their biases and then if bad, use their toolbox that allows them to describe anything and everything as an expression of capitalism?
Mason Green
>they spent so much time just trying to even imagine an alternative to the neoliberal order, much less producing propaganda that appeals to masses or doing productive activism. now the new nationalist groups are actually dismantling the neoliberal order and the Jacobin types can't even produce an accurate analysis of the phenomenon.
This. Prussianism, Strasserism, Spengler, Moses Hess, Carl Schmitt and other third positionist or anti-Marxist ideologies and people provided a rich history to drink from when it comes to smashing demoralizing collectivism and demoralizing individualism.
Gabriel Perry
and not only that, but places like Jacobin are out of touch with the mainstream left, they get called manarchists and brocialists for doing exactly what they're doing in this article: attacking SJW identity politics.
they are in the worst position. they will still get hated on by actual "oppressed people" for not doing SJW stuff, but too cowardly to push hard against it in the way that needs to be done. they'll write weak articles like this calling for "unity" instead of identity politics but when a more oppressed person tells them to shut up, they always will.
what would it take to break this? probably for the left to suffer another decade of defeat.
Luke Howard
>and not only that, but places like Jacobin are out of touch with the mainstream left, they get called manarchists and brocialists for doing exactly what they're doing in this article: attacking SJW identity politics. That's actually exactly what I like about this article. They're spitting in the wind (ultimately), but they're freaking out the Left as they do so. This past election has shown that the Left doesn't know what it wants and that the coalitions that constitute it are just about as ready to do war with each other as with the Right. Look at how chaotic and confused the Left's response has been to Brexit and Trump. Idpols are digging in even harder and the socialists and Marxists are accusing the Idpols of costing the election.
>what would it take to break this? probably for the left to suffer another decade of defeat. That's too hopeful. A decade plus of Reagan and Bush still gave us 90s Leftism. It might go away with exhaustion and race mixing, the latter kinda taking some of the bite out of Idpol arguments.
>Prussianism, Strasserism, Spengler, Moses Hess, Carl Schmitt and other third positionist or anti-Marxist ideologies and people provided a rich history to drink from when it comes to smashing demoralizing collectivism and demoralizing individualism. And Strauss!
Andrew Wilson
Mate I have no fucking clue what any of you sad cunts are talking about.
Carter Campbell
>actually interesting political discussion on Sup Forums Too bad it'll get archived in 20 minutes.
Adrian Jackson
Not if you bump it to at least past 20 replies
Owen Flores
sad fact
here's a bump for OP
Bentley Carter
Cheers. What did you all make of it?
Let's see if this won't whet some of Sup Forums's interest:
"When the shock of electoral upheaval crossed the Atlantic, the safety pin followed. Two days after the Presidential election, Michelle Goldberg wrote a column at Slate advocating its use, in an America where “the deplorables are emboldened.” But her adoption of the symbol altered its purpose. Goldberg worried that, as a white woman, she would be mistaken for a Trump voter. “We need an outward sign of sympathy, a way for the majority of us who voted against fascism to recognize one another,” she wrote. Instead of Allison’s pledge to take action, the safety pin would function as a signal of affinity between defeated supporters of Hillary Clinton.
The next day, Fashionista published a listicle of “13 Safety Pin Brooches to Wear Now and for the Next Four Years,” promising “an easy way to show your solidarity.” Vogue followed suit, with a selection that included diamond and gold safety pin earrings for $1065 apiece. “Put your money where your mouth is and take real action against the forces of hate,” the article concluded."
This. They are ass-ravaged not because the alt-right are evil nazis but because its the only viable anti-neoliberal movement in the west.
Nolan Morales
I don't really get what's going on in this thread. Can someone dumb it down for me? (have a bump in return)
So far I think I have: >The left used to mean something different with cultural appropriation.
Cameron Sanders
bump for actual content for once
Leo Jenkins
Ok finished the viewpoint article Jesus you can tell its written by communists by which I mean its fucking looonng and they like the sound of their voice It seems like the cry of an old left that wont be heard anywhere or if heard cant be acted upon I'm glad we are fighting SJWs instead of these people because they hold the most of the basic views of SJWs but can conceal it and are more intelligent and well read than SJWs As they point out in the article those two negros that disrupted Bernie are basically con artists i think I remember one of them might have been in porn >ironic tweet of white genocide They still seem to lie and distort facts Overall they just seem like the lefts version of Sup Forumstards who are embarrassed by skinheads
Kevin Harris
I'm not sure what they mean by compatible but SJWs and white nationalists do create their own "conversation" which benefits white nationalists >Everyone else has their identity why not us as well? And as SJWs are so clueless and toneless the anti-white message they pedal naturally develops pushback unlike the "colorblindness" the article advocates But my assessment that this message either wont be heard or if heard cant be acted on still stands Too many leftists are making money and power off of identity politics
William Rogers
I always kill threads ;_;
Ryan Reed
Kek reminds me of a standard "post racial" cuckservative like Bill Mitchell, he can enjoy some sort of relevance, but he will never hold sway and certainly not in the future.
Joseph Reyes
Bump
Oliver Russell
>Goldberg worried that, as a white woman
Christopher Sullivan
The article's thesis could maybe be tl;dr into: A certain phenomenon of the "alt-right", Spencer's use of Idpol lingo and reasoning, shows that the logic of certain Idpol arguments defends the racism and racial (and cultural) essentialism they were trying to combat. Cue mandatory "workers of the world etc."
That seems pretty right. I think you overestimate the extent to which the Left right now will ignore this kind of message. A lot will try, sure, but a significant argument in the article concerns how convenient it is for especially white SJWs to back Idpol since it demands guilt and shame and not any of their action. They can feel bad and go on eating Chinese takeout. Given how neurotic that part of the Left already is (because, they freak out about eating Chinese takeout), they're already prone to hilarious existential bouts of angst over the more pointed call outs this article is making. The significant part of Left Idpols who probably won't take the bait of this article are college blacks. Other racial minorities are more broken up over which part of the Left to support, since some, like the author himself, think it's just, as above, merely convenient.
