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Authoritarianism doesn't work. It only worked in NS Germany because the people got lucky and ended up with a government who had their best interests in mind.
Authoritarianism is necessary though, if it turns bad the people can still revolt. Fascism isn't totally anti-gun.
Fascism solves the problem of unemployment and poverty by establishing the Corporate State, which will be divided into National corporations governed by representatives of employers, workers and consumers, operating under Fascist government. The State will not attempt to conduct industry as it would under Socialism, instead, the State will lay down the limits within which industry' may operate, and those limits will be the national welfare. Private ownership will be permitted and encouraged, provided such activity enriches the nation as well as the individual. All interests that operate against the nation will be rigorously suppressed. The function of the Corporations will be to raise wages and salaries over the whole field of industry as science, rationalization and industrial technique increase the power to produce. Consumption will be adjusted to production and a Home Market will be provided by the higher purchasing power of our own people. Fascism involves a corporatist political system in which the economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at the national level. This non-elected form of state officializing of every interest into the state was professed to reduce the marginalization of singular interests (as would allegedly happen by the unilateral end condition inherent in the democratic voting process). Corporatism would instead better recognize or incorporate every divergent interest into the state organically, according to its supporters, thus being the inspiration for their use of the term totalitarian, perceivable to them as not meaning a coercive system but described distinctly as without coercion.
>Savitri Devi I would recommend everyone to read her books. As with all the others.
John Mitchell
If you have any /polharbour/ memorabilia I'd like to take a look. I'm on the hunt for the rare post /polharbour/ pol-tan. He had a hoodie and the trigger warning above his head.
I feel like all my medals from the meme war have been stripped from me along with all my tools.
Make Sup Forums National Socialist again!
Jackson Morris
National socialism was never meant to be pure fascist forever btw.
Only until they can exterminate the jewish race and solidify the reich.
Hitler never intended to hold dictatorial power forever.
See pastebin for more books, including the secret sequel to Mein Kampf, Goebbels' Nazi-Sozi, and more.
Brayden Nelson
I would have to disagree with everything you just said
Chase Powell
I am worried though about the occult implications of being order followers. We can ONLY follow the orders of a national socialist society in so far as it benefits US, as in whites.
If any order goes against that, and if that order puts us in a position of enforcing just the power of a single person or a group of people, then we'd just be replacing the jews with a new group of satanic people.
Landon Murphy
Definitely, fascist literature is like the fine scotch of political theory. Always amazing to read and intellectually be in.
Cooper Lopez
yay for slavery!
Adam Gray
Reporting in.
Luis Young
I encourage you to watch this short video it can explain what the user means in an entertaining way.
I feel like this would be a great poster if the smaller words were removed and in the middle it said "Which will you hail?"
Julian Bell
Cheers user. Hail victory
Brody Foster
That's actually a good idea user. Put people on the spot.
Michael Roberts
Oh no I fully understand national socialism. Read just about every source of literature.
What I'm concerned of is whether it is just another form of dark occultism, the same kind which rules the world today and rapes and murders thousands every year in rituals.
Jackson Flores
Rare Hitler coming through, here he is in WW1.
Absolutely, reading is an amazing habit to form.
Elijah Evans
No, because the one of today is focused on egalitarianism for all but a (((chosen))) few. Natsoc is pride in your people and growth as a nation. Not subjugating others as (((they))) do.
Matthew Bennett
>Hitler >WW1 He was much younger than pic related you know...
Carter Sanders
Nice.
Yeah I'm on 8 books now.
Anthony Diaz
>victory
Jackson Morales
Noted.
Ayden Cooper
NatSoc. in a nutshell regarding this topic is you do everything for your people. Instead of encouraging businesses to fuck over the workers/population you encourage them to give back to them. >sometimes by force if necessary You don't let your homeless die in the streets you give them a job building a road, school or grocer as well as a home. They aren't just left without skills and means.
NatSoc. encourages every sector of government and economy to do everything for the sake of improving the lives of their people in a practical and meaningful way.
>Example: In a NatSoc. society a man who's homeless is given skills to advance his earning power, experience on the job, a stable paycheck, government healthcare, a home to live in and opportunity to advance. >In America homeless people are frowned upon and are given close to nothing because they have no opportunity.
Jeremiah Taylor
Ok, but did you know that within the national socialist movement there was a cult of the dark sun? This is literally what many of the kid torturing degenerate bastards who run the world today call themselves too.
Many national socialist scientists defected to the USA and other jew controlled nations and used their intelligence to develop mind control methods for them.
What I'm saying is why don't we create something better? Why not be the LIGHT occultists, and NOT use violence to win our ethnostate?
I don't know I am just conflicted. Genocide, even of a putrid race like the rat like jews seems wrong. We are not Gods, we should not decided what can exist or not.
Daniel Gomez
Great man user
Jordan Collins
haha Im like level 13 in oven dodging You are nothing to me
If he had his way the USA would have wiped out all the commie jews and maybe saved us from needing the CIA and NSA.
Nathaniel Harris
Yes, but Christianity, or at least roman catholicism is another dark occult gang.
Why do you think you hear of pedophilai in the church? Same idea. Satanism, dark luciferianism etc.
We need to get away from that ideology. We need to get away from cruel ideologies.
Mass genocide of our enemies wont create a stable society, it would mean mass murderers run the world (as they do now). It would just be swapping one system of dark occult pedophilia for another.
Dominic Perry
I want to be a fascist, but I'm having trouble thinking past common criticisms of non-democratic systems.
Without suffrage (universal or otherwise), how do those with no direct say respond to decisions or systems they feel are harming them or their communities? Wouldn't resentment build in those cases leading to revolutionary movements and violence?
How do you assure that a fascist ruling party doesn't descend into oligarchy? Can selfish materialist incentives ever be completely overcome? How can it be assured that leaders will be both good and capable?
To put it another way, how does fascism tackle the question of tyranny that gripped the American founding fathers? Does it care at all for individual liberty? I dislike that the American tradition fetishizes liberty for liberty's sake, and I understand that it can be an emergent property of a well-functioning system that emphasizes duty and honor, but I feel like there has to be more to it that I'm missing.
Any articles or books you could point me to would be great, as well. This is getting TLDR length already.
Camden Wright
No it's good thank you
Robert Fisher
Goebbels is pretty overlooked, he really was quite charismatic. Hitler's closest friend.
Dylan Gomez
I don't think you have a very tenuous grasp on theology user. And you definitely don't know about the (((infiltration))) into the church.
Do you want a book about fascist political philosophy user?
Dylan James
Reminder that we are the """""SCUM""""""" of the internet.
Ethan Fisher
You're right I don't. But I know a bit about the occult. And christianity is a symbol of authority and slavery in the occult.
True Christianity, meaning Christ's message is not evil. But what they used it for is.
Connor Martinez
Kek I know we're just deplorable and irredeemable.
Kevin Young
What is /nsg/'s thoughts on Trump and his policies? I see a lot of people, right-wingers, divided on him.
Luis Evans
Democracy is beautiful in theory; in practice it is a fallacy. - Mussolini
I'd rather run the risk of armed revolt and Oligarchy then have a individualistic, materialist democracy. Those without direct say can still have representatives in the governing state.
Sebastian Turner
Yes sir, I've read Mussolini's doctrine but it was short and seemed more descriptive of his current actions than prescriptive
Julian Sullivan
You are correct Christianity has fallen away from what it is intended to be. It has been subverted at the behest of a certain group to fall from what it was. As Christians we worship truth. So true christians ask questions, explore gods creation, and are open to ideas and philosophies that are not our own. However there has been a movement against it since it's inception.
>all I want is a loyal wife, great kids and a nice home in a great country
FUCKING RACIST CLASSIST CAPITALIST NAZI PIG!!!
Lucas Cox
He is a good start. But nothing will really change until he ends the Zionist led Federal reserve.
He is filling up his cabinet with bankers and Zionists so it won't happen
Carson Rogers
He's a step in the right direction. He is by no means our great leader. At least as of yet
Luis Russell
Well fascism is very metaphysical. If you've ever read Nietzsche I think you could understand it's spirit.
Grayson Taylor
Yes, but in terms of us building a national socialist society. Do we have the right to kill an entire race?
The dark occultists have to go without saying. That's just a matter of self defense. But what about killing jews who are innocent? Bagel shop owners or some random jeweler. Do we have the right to kill them?
In terms of objective natural law (moral laws of the universe) it is a violation to kill someone who is not antagonistic to you.
How can we justify killing every single jew?
Julian Scott
Kekekek
Racist = proud white Classist = understand natural heirarchy
Sebastian Price
I have never met or spoken with a national socialist who wants to kill every single Jew. I've only had conversations where they want them to leave us alone and go to Israel.
Benjamin Myers
>He is filling up his cabinet with bankers and Zionists so it won't happen I've been seeing that, but hearing people justify it, so not sure what to make of it yet. Might just be hardcore supporters who have a case of mental gymnastics. Not sure.
Some (not me, I'm not as clued up on your guys politics) are arguing that he might do more damage to National Socialists movement, by converting and normalizing civic nationalism and, in turn, bringing over even liberals towards that direction. Is this true? I saw Spencer criticize him already, which shows that he's still sticking by his own original stance on things and not bending so easily.
Excuse the many questions as tonight is the first time I've seen an /nsg/ thread in over a year.
Cooper Harris
This. peaceful solutions are best solutions. Deportation is cheaper and way better then exterminating people...
Brayden Sanchez
Then we are in agreement. I think we need to be careful with dark occultism and mind control though.
The national socialist burning of books was a serious crime though. I agree with most nat soc ideals, but some I do not, like censoring opposing ideas.
Liam Richardson
Well from a right wing perspective he is vastly better than any other option. He raised important topics that had been either forgotten or overlooked. He is a nationalist which is a good start, and it's not a far distant from civic nationalism to ethnonationalism. I'm sure most people that are into natsoc now were at first a civic nationalist. Very few of us were born into this.
Christopher Hill
We need to learn from our intellectual forefathers mistakes yes. Also they only burned Marxism and pornography. Both of which I have no qualms about eradicating kek. I encourage you to look at what is in this pastebin to get a further understanding of what natsoc is. Most people are surprised when they find out what it really is and that they've been lied to about pretty much all of its ideologies.
True. As for the Mein Kampf links, what's the difference between the Ford and Stalag one? Which should I read (first) ?
Josiah Jackson
Stalag is better
Jack Kelly
The illuminati and various groups such as this is why natsoc got shut down. Hitler was the only person in history to jail a Rothschild.
Nathaniel Gray
>Without suffrage (universal or otherwise), how do those with no direct say respond to decisions or systems they feel are harming them or their communities? Wouldn't resentment build in those cases leading to revolutionary movements and violence?
We have universal suffrage today. Is the working class not hurting? Did they not express great resentment toward the Establishment last election, where it was undoubtedly deemed the rejection of Establishment politics. Regardless about how you may feel about Trump or Sanders they each tapped into a strong anti-establishment presence. Just because the direction of that anti-establishment stance is tilted toward either side doesn't actually matter because those feelings are very real. The economic doctrine of fascism is always tied with a strong loyalty to the nation as a whole. This means no more destructive trade deals which both sides on the right and the left agreed upon where harmful.
>How can it be assured that leaders will be both good and capable? The leader isn't chosen out of a popularity contest but by who is most capable. I believe in something akin to Plato's idea en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher_king
>how does fascism tackle the question of tyranny that gripped the American founding fathers? See above, a major reason if not the biggest reason why we rebelled was for economic reasons.
What is the best way to redpill normies? My family is already mega right wing conservatives. So it's not hopeless.. right? I guess gently so I don't scare them off?
