"Ask the globalists and lobbyists about it next week."
Oliver Gomez
I don't get why this is good. Someone spoonfeed me. Does this make cheaper prices, or is it the freedom itself that people desire.
Eli Torres
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Matthew Powell
The freedom makes the good prices.
Justin Gutierrez
Companies having to compete at a national level will drive prices down, like all other forms of insurance
Julian White
kentucky is fucking rad
Sebastian Reed
>donny in the hotseat for obongocare >rand is the copilot
This is the best possible outcome.
Carson Baker
oy vey
Anthony Ward
"People say" that the companies go regional and avoid competition. Is this true? If so how is it dealt with. Are they forced to go national?
Josiah Martin
my god that's good
the "Voluntary associations" bit is the kicker and pure Paul. It's exactly how "health care" (what kikes renamed going to the doctor in the 90s) used to work.
Dylan Perry
>2. The freedom to save unlimited amounts in a health savings account. what did he mean by this
Evan Baker
>30 million Americans lose health insurance >3 million Americans lose their jobs >$350 billion added to national debt >Private Insurance can now deny you coverage again for pre-existing conditions >Premiums continue to rise because Insurers just lost the massive subsidies that the ACA pays out >People on Sup Forums are excited for this
Brandon Gomez
Can't stump the trump
Can't stand the rand (I'll have to work on this one)
Samuel Rodriguez
Think of it as insurance which pays out as you don't use it
Cooper Butler
Putting them at the national level makes it so that there is more competition which leaves more opportunities for the free market to drive down prices.
Jacob Smith
obamacare was written by insurance companies to help consolidate control of the market, sameway chase Manhattan bought up all smaller banks during black Tuesday in 1929
standard case of free market better performance and price
Ayden Young
>I don't get why this is good.
Unless you are a Trumpfag you shouldn't. You don't even know his plan. Most Trumpfags don't care what the plan is they just care about Trump and everything he does no matter what it is.
Cooper Lee
Dear idiot- word of the day for you: price-fixing
This "freedom" will simply be a return to how it was before Obama care
TIA
Anthony Carter
>Most Trumpfags don't care what the plan is they just care about Trump and everything he does no matter what it is.
Most Trumpfags don't care what the COMMUNISM is they just care about Trump and everything he does no matter what it is.
Nathaniel Watson
It's good times.
Adam Green
Why don't people understand liberty, Sup Forums? Like, how could someone like Sanders hear that Rand Paul rebuttal and have it go in one year and out the other?
Kevin Reyes
maybe the bearenstain timeline isn't so bad after all
Julian Butler
That makes no sense. They won't avoid competition by refusing to sell nationally. They be swamped by companies who do and sell cheaper policies in the region they try to focus on.
Elijah Bennett
>premiums rise Proof?
Tyler Walker
Yep this is literally communism
Hunter Perez
>(((insurance)))
Angel Ross
Except it increases competition because the market will have vastly expanded.
Did you even take economics in high school?
Do you like liberty?
Eli Ortiz
Communists aren't people.
Sebastian Martin
Can't strand the Rand
Carter Rogers
What a fucking idiot. We don't have 50 different Blue Cross Blue Shields (one for each state) because insurance could always be sold across state lines.
Carson Kelly
OK then, this as a whole sounds great to me.
Easton Mitchell
But they can't be broken up. McCarron-Ferguson protects insurance companies from antitrust suits. McCarron-Ferguson has to be repealed if you want any of that "competition".
Asher Edwards
But where are proofs?
Caleb White
Sanders is a Jew retard that doesn't actually care about muh freedumb
Adam Bell
not if they don't have enough customers to survive anymore. no obamacare = no requirement to buy healthcare.
Robert Nguyen
>repealing ACA >more debt How does this happen?
Robert Ramirez
>I don't pay fines/tons of money for health insurance I don't really need >Gubbmint no longer subsidizes healthcare, more money for border control agents- creating more jobs >Sick people don't weight down everyone else's health insurance by increasing costs across the board kys nigger
Andrew Wilson
>fat degenerates drug users etc die off >USA population goes back to 100,000,000
Cameron Bell
liberals used to not like ACA either
Luis Wilson
Something happened like 4 days before the election, the Pizzagate shit broke, then suddenly we flipped timelines or some shit.
It was weird.
Thomas Thomas
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Blake Morgan
It's a no-lose kinda scenario. One state or another will be the big winner for least silly mandates inflating basic coverage prices and we'll see a lot of policies fly from there. Others might compete by moving. Some stuck in shitty mandate states might lower margins to compete or try getting state laws improved.
Connor Rodriguez
>most of the money gets spent on obese cunts and idiots who don't look after themselves.
Oliver Morales
Y'all got any of that Trumpcare for a leaf like me?
Asher Long
The reason why American healthcare is expensive is because doctor Abel Goldstein and Schmulto Andrewberg earn twice as much as their contemporaries in let's say Germany, Canada or Great Britain.
The reason for it is that they were private-only for decades, while in most of the first world you've had public hospitals, which may have been worse than the private ones(queues...) but were "free". As such, private clinics had to compete with free and either raise their standards or lower the prices, in America it never happened.
The way Obamacare worked only added overhead to already super-expensive healthcare without introducing state-funded "free" competition which only punished citizens for doing well in their life - since they've had to pay much more for their healthcare that they've had before so Jamal and Ledasha could go to doctor, while getting nothing in return(as opposed to lower prices/higher quality in more European style healthcare).
As such replacing it with what Rand proposes is an improvement.
Angel Thomas
The thing about the USSR was they had an empire to plunder for the funding
Tyler Gomez
>Premiums continue to rise because Insurers just lost the massive subsidies that the ACA pays out
Shit bro they already tripled, if they go up anymore, people just won't buy and they will go bankrupt.
Joseph Sanchez
Shut the fuck up you fucking faggot!
Jace Gray
Rand, I've had you up to here
Matthew Reyes
>Rand Paul goes on Tucker Carlson Tonight to talk about his plan >Trump suddenly agrees to his plan
Leo Turner
That's why we loved those pre-existing condition clauses. The inability to refuse coverage and mandate forcing coverage of people who were already ill is what made prices skyrocket, and caused companies to pull out of the marketplaces even with those absurd prices.
Jack Hall
I was very happy with my insurance before Obamacare. I had cancer and actually used the fuck out of it. Obamacare was a joke and the doctors my shitty insurance company forces me to see now are a complete joke.
Aiden Robinson
I can assure you that after Germans moved through the wealthiest parts of it there wasn't much to plunder. Not that they were "let in" to those parts if you know what I mean.
Jackson Barnes
It's a kind of savings account you can put money into and spend tax-free so long as you use the money for medical purposes. The idea is you get an insurance plan with low premiums but a high deductible while putting money you would normally be paying into a high premium/low deductible plan into your HSA. If you don't need to spend a lot of money on healthcare the money is always there in your HSA in case you need it someday for any reason, healthcare or otherwise.
They're a good choice for young and healthy people who don't really a lot of healthcare but for anyone who does they're generally kinda useless.
Dylan Hughes
>Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
>I can't overstate how important this is. It sounds simplistic and stupid to people who don't understand the marketplace. In reality, this is the single most important component that leads to expensive healthcare. Essentially, each state now allows a specific healthcare company to operate as a near monopoly (or duopoly with another company). Now, with Obamacare, people are FORCED to have insurance through one of these companies. Imagine if people were FORCED to buy car insurance from ONE specific company in each state. Imagine the price gouging that would take place. It is the same principle. Allowing these companies to compete everywhere would change the game almost immediately. Premiums would drop dramatically as companies spread and tried to compete with the former state titans. Moreso, anticipate some creative competition with plan details as well to encourage people to sign on.
>Affordable Healthcare won't come from forcing people to buy it. It comes from forcing the companies to sell it.
Healthcare plan analysis by /r/The_Donald user who works in the industry.
Austin Bell
I was raised to hate seppos but in my heart I love freedom more than my country what is the most free and whitest state to live in burgers? I will have no reason to stay in this commie shithole if Trump delivers the freedom
Ryder Evans
Thanks for the information but you are a nigger with your paragraph spacing
Oliver Cook
All he needs is to find the "Carrot" and this will be an easy sell to the public. One gibs is all it takes.
Asher Perry
My coverage has been cancelled three times in the last two years because it doesn't meet the ever-rising standards of obamacare. Backwards is an improvement.
Ethan Garcia
Then why didn't they voice their disapproval?
Aiden Perez
Ron paul is a happy man
AUDITHEFED
Lucas Lee
what about freedom to have single payer? 1. freedom to have cheap insurance that doesn't cover anything 2. if you have the money 3. lowest common denominator 4. or not
Lincoln Reyes
Any flyover, or Texas outside the capital.
Hunter King
its alright , ive never heard seppo before, probably colorado has the best mix of white, guns and being a big city at the same time or austin
Brayden Bennett
This is solid, but in the US the biggest problem is the ridiculous "cost" of medical procedures. It's littered with fraud and varies widely. You can't even really find out what something actually costs right now. Address those matters and people actually paying makes more sense. As it is, there's no justification to charge a private individual a thousand dollars for a one-hour consultation and a few stitches and a prescription.
Luke Smith
KAMMUNEESM
Nathan Diaz
What you fail to realize is that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure in health care. Say you have a tooth ache, you don't have dental insurance so you don't go to the dentist. Eventually that tooth ache turns into an infection in your brain and costs tens of thousands in medical bills. If you could have gone tot he dentist, it would have been just a few hundred dollars.
The fact that people don't have healthcare drives up the cost of healthcare, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. I work in healthcare, I deal with insurance every single day. Repealing ACA is only going to make things worse, just watch. Also, what most of you fail to realize is that states regulate the insurance industry which makes selling across state lines very difficult and almost impossible for some states. You guys are like the dumbass miners who voted against their Black Lung benefits.
Angel Wood
Obviously you idiots havent heard about pricefixing.
Thats why cable companies can charge you top tier dollars for third world internet speeds
Jacob Moore
holy shit that last week before the election was madness i can't even remember half of it maybe you're right
Dylan Green
Because serious opposition to Obama, not just faux opposition for edgey communist points, was a career ender for liberals.
The system was such a obvious joke. The plan was for them to stay in power forever and when this system collapsed under it's own weight for them to introduce that public option they wanted.
The Jonathan Gruber bullshit awhile back was over that very thing. Obamacare was a system designed to fail.
Anthony Jenkins
aca still sucks
Ayden Brown
That's why Trump said he would get rid of that state line discrepancy dipshit
Leo Brown
which means all the healthy people choose not to buy insurance. but the obamacare protections for sick insurance customres are gone too. which means insurance companies have to accept anyone they can, and then immediately deny payment and kick people off of their insurance once they put in a claim (just like it was before obamacare).
so either prices will skyrocket, or insurance coverage rates will plummet. most likely both.
But's that's wrong. Most hospitals that just stopped recieving insurance have prices which are a tenth or less than the ones which still work with insurances. Want to guess why?
Cable companies can charge top tier dollars because the USA is literally a large collection of government sponsored monopolies. Hell, just look up fiber regulations and tell me what's the purpose of giving so much red tape to a new company just trying to install a wire that isn't even dangerous.
If you did actually work in the healthcare services, you would be aware of the fact ACA did nothing to reduce the cost of anything, but hey, at least Boogie "I know I have diabetes, but fuck not eating cheetos" 66 can now have insurance.
Liam Clark
Pretty much exactly the opposite of that.
Cable companies have legal local monopolies. They can charge what they like for high speed internet because, while they don't have a monopoly on that, they have by far the highest speeds offered over the widest area.
Price fixing is illegal and the sort of thing Attorneys General love to rape companies to death over.
Jaxson Hughes
Yeah, you're probably right.
That kind of dysfunction in the democrat party is exactly why they're failing miserably right now. Their party needs a drastic reformation.
Overall, it's New Hampshire (The "Live Free or Die" State). I think there's subcategories that CATO ranked by too, so if something is more important to you then adjust accordingly
Colton Diaz
Go to the dentist get work done. Say sorry too broke. Payment plan. I had a $10k deductible when I did chemo. Wasn't working, couldn't pay deductible so they knocked it down to $700. Wow simple. Thank you.
Jonathan Sullivan
>commondreams.org/news/2017/01/06/gop-doesnt-want-public-know-how-much-obamacare-repeal-will-cost-study-shows-it-could Wait, wait, wait. So the argument against repealing is that the government won't be taking in as much money from people to give them a service that is continously getting exponentially more expensive while limiting their choices as to who provides their service? And this is considered a bad thing? Or is the argument that now the government won't be able to use the money it says it's for healthcare as a slush fund for other shit?
Carter Nguyen
>pre-aca >costs rise moderately year-to-year >post-aca >costs rise exponentially year-to-year >the whole point of aca was so slow down the year-to-year increase happening
Christopher Butler
They don't though. Companies collude and profit $10 billion. AG sues and fines $1 billion, which goes to state coffers. Complicated tax on the public, but same net effect.
Josiah Collins
Reading even further into the study, it really does sound like this people think that if the government doesn't give insurance companies all this money it will go into a black hole and not be used in the economy at all. Wut?
Mason Torres
You seem to be under the impression you can just continue doing the same crime permanently as long as you pay a one time fine. I will suggest you try it out.
Jaxson Price
Oh and another fun fact. Went to the hospital because I thought I was having a heart attack. Turned out to be terrible indigestion. $650. Before Obamacare I had free ER visits while only paying $60 a month. Couldn't pay the $650 at the time now my credit is fucked.
Angel Perry
But the "protections for sick insurance customres" were bullshit that broke the already fucked up Obamacare system.
Healthy young people still paid the fine because it was a fuckload cheaper than overpriced and shitty insurance they'd never use.
Sick fucks didn't buy it either until they became ill and then couldn't be denied coverage, charged more, or have their pre-existing bullshit excluded from coverage for even a year (the standard period of pre-existing condition exclusion before Obamacare).
Obamacare meant a 93 year old man who smoked, could sign up for coverage right after discovering a massive herniated tumor and insurers had to accept him, pay for everything and charge him the same amount as they charged a 24 year old college athlete in perfect physical condition.
Guess which rate they picked to charge everyone? And the really knee slapper? It still didn't work! Several exchanges had all but one or two companies drop out, prices went up year on year because they lost money!
Jonathan Moore
But what about pre-existing conditions? That was the only real good thing the ACA did.
David Baker
I'm not very informed about insurance, but can someone explain how even with national insurance it won't deter insurance companies forming "groups" with hospitals and giving only subscribers of a handful of insurance agencies higher coverage of expenses while anyone outside that group much lower coverage, effectively forming local monopolies?
t. 21 yr who knows fuckall about insurance and experienced something similar when looking for a new dentist
Benjamin Price
Do you know anything about American corruption? Clearly not.
Jeremiah Thompson
not sure if you're ironically pretending to be a commie or not, but here it goes.
You don't have any right to someone's services. That's basic liberty 101. I'm an electrician. You don't have the right to my services even if you pay me, let alone for free. Now you can pay me money, and I can do electrical work for you if I choose to.
Obamacare takes it a step further. Not only is it forcing the physician to service you or any other poorfag for free, but it's forcing the middle class to pay for it.
Brandon Flores
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Jace Cox
So the greatest country in the world is finally getting acces to somthing basic as fuck,healthcare which by the way is mostly free even in my shithole....a true sign of progress.
Joshua Williams
Rand should have been his vice president, he could help so much.
