University is a scam

>Be CS major Math minor
>do well in school
>graduate with honors
>tons of job opportunities in CS field
>can't find job because university didn't give me the skills I needed to compete in the work force
I feel FUCKING scammed. This piece of paper is fucking worthless.

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I wish my brothers and I had all learned the same trade and started a home business.

>He didn't do internships while at Uni.

>Be CS major Math minor
>cant find a job
oh boy, i wonder why?

>go to vocational school
>they teach me everything to be competitive in the free market of mechanical engineering
>no one wants to hire you because too young or muh diploma
Is it a scam or not? Wtf? I can hardly find a job in my field where they don't want a bachelors.

Read Cracking the Coding Interview and work through the exercises. Most of the stuff that people are going to test you on is algorithms and is pretty easy to figure out. The degree isn't worthless it's just that companies are dumb and evaluate people on one thing while you learned some stuff that's sort of related in college.

Fuck you I have a paid internship
WHY????

This.

Degrees are worthless if you don't have experience and/or personality to back it up.

The fuck kind of job you expecting to get with a degree in maths?

Did you give any thought of what you'd do after and how?

Nigga most computer science is math.

>can't find job
>Have paid internship
Let me guess, they let you be the CEO of Flavor at a soup kitchen. If you actually researched what you were getting into rather than searching for whatever gave you the most shekels you wouldn't be in this problem.

I know how you feel. I have a useless engineering degree as well.

I'm thinking about burning my diploma on liveleak or youtube live soon.

Become your own man and create software yourself.

No dipshit it's in my field.
I help develop algorithms for evaluating research experiments.
The problem is that it pays 13 fucking dollars an hour.

Civil Engineer here.
Too many of you faggots jumped strait into the computer science meme without realizing chinks, arabs, and pajeets do that shit for free.

What I do involves math, computers, and social skills. I'm about to go take my test to be a licensed architectural engineer.
I'm the guru of the office, but I spend half my day many days hanging off a scaffold on the side of a building telling beaners what they are fucking up. Also talking with PMs and clients.

Ya fucked up. Have a worn out ""rare"" pepe.

Then get a degree in computer science.. Holy fuck

Employers aren't gonna see that correlation

The paper isn't the qualification, the qualification is..

It'll always exist in their registry

> 10 years in support/sysadmin
> lifelong hobbyist programmer
> 2 time college dropout
I changed careers and have been getting paid to write software for 2 years. Consistently outperform coworkers and am truly full stack (I do projects requiring Assembly and VHDL for fun). People only take me seriously for web development jobs and despite skills and experience leading teams and training people, I will spend my life in this career competing against fresh college grads with low skill.

>be american
>pay 200 grand to flip burgers

Did you even read the OP?
CS = computer science.
How could you be so retarded?

when they talk about job demand they mean demand in like 2 or 3 very expensive city centres that you cannot afford to move to unless you already have money.

It always was a scam.

CS truly has become a meme.

Are there any stem fields that are still lucrative? It certainly isn't bio/chem/physics/ or math

OP, whats your Steam ID? My company is hiring people with CS degrees and for other STEM fields as well as software development. You have to be an American citizen though. Recent grads are welcome for some positions.

Electrical/computer engineer here. I switched from CS because I saw the curry and rice writing on the wall.

Most any engineering degree can net you a job if you are getting good grades at a fancy private school, but shit grades show shit abilities. Civil will be a safe bet for a while, as will most any that are required for a semi-common job.

I do okay but I'm on the low end of developer pay in NY because of my degree situation.

I've doubled my salary twice in 2 years by changing careers though. Can't complain about that. Just frustrating going for jobs and interviewing with clueless people seeing that I don't have a STEM degree and 2 years working with React or whatever hot frontend framework and think I can't write code.

Meanwhile my github has ORMs, ETL tooling and compilers that I wrote by myself and aren't toys. LOL dummies.

Give me a throwaway email to send it to.

This is solid advice that OP should listen to and with a CS degree (if it's any good), algo questions should be easy.

The market just sucks for juniors right now -- build a portfolio of projects. At least one full webapp that could be turned into a product and then a couple of javascript games. That's all the bootcamps teach you to do and they're a waste of money if you've read this book.

I'll pick it up.

Just keep it up. If this is what you want to do, there will always be an opportunity for you in this industry.

Shit's about to get real bad and the people who don't really enjoy it are going to fall into something else.

The coding bootcamps have been flooded with lawyers and MBAs recently and their resumes will look stronger but everyone is finding out most of them can't code worth shit.

I switched to IT from CS, I was worried of poo in loo's filling up the CS industry. Times are slowly shifting though, companies are finding out that they aren't really saving money by hiring cheap h1b coders. Since they get hit double hard by the language barrier, crap code, etc.

I'm an autodidact high school drop out super genius, so I don't give a fuck about some retard diploma purporting my knowledge when I know I have it.

You go to university to do academics, not for job training.

u wot m8, it is not. most of "computer science" is fucking creating of webpages and specific calculators with databases.

lol u got rekt by college gg no re

Academic computer science prepares you to tackle the truly difficult problems in this industry, it's just that 99% of the jobs are to deal with 'low hanging fruit'.

OP should suck up the stigma and go into finance. There's a ton of FinTech companies here in NY that would prefer a fresh dev with great math skills to a dev like me.

I wish Trump would make case out of alleged fail of his university and further use it to kick (((educator))) asses in concrete.

> CS
You illiterate burger should've better applied for math.

Interpereters/Compilers
Encryption
ALGORITHMS
Even basic gui applications require some simple math.

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what math is if you think computer science doesn't require math.

> russia
> education
Pick one

>I saw the curry and rice writing on the wall.
Cleverly thought of.

> gui
> math

Do you write thousands of interpreters/compilers,encryptions each year?
It is a niche for a small amount of specialists. Most of programmers do much more simple stuff.

>never went to college
>make 6 figures writing shitty ruby

Have to hide my power level, but worth it

>major in math
>bad grades
>still 300k starting
so easy senpai

It should be a bannable offence to post stuff like this.

I really hate to think how many underaged banned have fell for it.

> implying
our education system is one of the best education systems in the world.
the reason American and British universities are in top of different ratings is because these ratings are based on amount of people knowing English.
Ratings demand more foreign students -> as English is lingua franca of the world your have more Foreign students than any other countries
Ratings demand more articles written in English -> ta-da!

> any public education
> useful
Yeah, that was my point, anglo.

That's only the median income. There are many sad college graduate stories like OP's, or worse and there will only be more of them as universities decline and the world becomes more and more competitive until the college system crashes.

> our education system is one of the best education systems in the world
It`s still near to worthless.

>computer science doesn't need math
>ok it does need math but I bet YOU don't do it
If you read the thread you'd know I write algorithms every day.

In some ways this is hilariously false though. Compilers are one of the most foundational CS courses for a reason.

I can't tell you how many times I encountered a problem that at its simplest was something like writing a bottom-up parser. I didn't recognize most of them because I didn't understand compilers yet. I could have saved myself weeks/months of work by recognizing these facts and used tools better suited to the problem.

steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2007/06/rich-programmer-food.html

The employment rate is just the same, it's much higher if you've graduated college.

OPs the minority, he's probably just been incredibly unlucky.

>brit
I am currently have a side job as math tutor at linguistic school preparing kids for tests like SAT and GRE. I had some students who went to school in UK. And I'm not exaggerating, they were so much worse at math than russian kids, I had so much trouble explaining them even rudimentary things like transcendent numbers which was baffling to me. After that I have some doubts about quality of high-school education in UK, at least in exact sciences.

If you have all that knowledge, do you use it? It means nothing unless you do something with it.

>Studied Accounting and MIS at low-rank University of Puerto Rico for $700 per semester.
>Graduate with a job accepted making $45k at a Big 4 Accounting firm in Puerto Rico which is like $60k when adjusted to US cost of living.
>Transfer to Houston, and 2 years after graduating make $83.5k at 25 years of age

I mean, are you even trying kid?

I did CS and managed to find a job at the height of the recession. You just gotta keep at it. I kinda wish I had done trades now though, software development is ok and makes good dosh but I am tired of cube life. Considering heading for the oil fields if there is another boom.

Do you apply for senior or intermediate positions straight out og college, or what?
Look for junior positions or positions at start ups or smaller companies, that cant be picky.

And when it comes to skills just learn them before/when you apply for positions. Universities arent going to teach you every language, framework or tool there is, because first there is too many and second its not their job, their job is to teach you the basics so you can pick up and tech and learn it on your own.

Tbh if you cant even expand your skillset beyond what you are taught at university CS is nothing for you because tech is always changing fast and companies expect you to adopt. If you dont they will show you the door before you even realize what is going on.

I want to go into CS
Any books I should read before I let college fuck my ass?
I guess the must learns are C++ and Java?

Sounds like someone forgot the 3 internships minimum to sound remotely hireable

>CS major
>take 8 years to graduate because (depression and breaks lol ) with like a 2.2 gpa
>no internships
>start side project near end of schools
>put resume on monster
>go to a few interviews
>after about 4 finally figure them out
>get a job

>Be CS major Math minor

What degree did you graduate with?

Computer science 'engineers' are the mexican bricklayers of the STEM fields

t. developer

> schoolkids
> transcendent numbers
This is a uni topic. Do you have any proofs that rus study them in school?

>Be CS major Math minor
wut

>he thought his shitty text book exercises would help him but never spent the time to create a decent portfolio

What the fuck are you doing

RATT is correct. Build some shit yourself and make a portfolio out of it.

What if I'm half spic, would people hire because "MUH DIVERSITY"

>be me
>realize college is the bigges scam ((they produced))
>learn to code 10 hours or more a day dont care cuz i love it
>10months later geta job starting 75k a year
>1year later get another job starting 100k+ a year
>making money on the side coding wordpress sites for freelance work

College is a big fukin scam its only good for networking also im only 20
And ur result may vary depending on ur location

>Go to college for 2 (two) years
>Get my gas fitting license
>Get a job before I even graduate
>Making 25 an hour
>Union enforced pay will cap at 48 an hour with full benefits after 5 years of paid apprenticeship
You fucked up, should have gone into a trade. That's where all the money is.

>The fuck kind of job you expecting to get with a degree in maths?

Literally any job with word "Analyst" in the title.

>he didn't focus on getting work-experience while studying

My condolences, senpai. Education is fantastic when combined with a workplace you can try things out in practice.

The only reason you should attend college by now is if you're taking medicine

I make more than that as a dev now. No college.

also...thats in CAD...

I used incorrect word - what I meant was irrational numbers. Kids couldn't grasp a concept of numbers that cannot be presented in a form of finite fraction - like square root of two.

You'll get hired for being exceptional in some way. In a field as low to the ground as CS, you do that by working more hours than the next guy. In noncompetitive markets, like web development, that means actually doing work throughout the workday since half the pencilchewers in that field browse leddit all day. In more competitive positions like software development or web services development, you'll do that by working more unpaid overtime than the next guy. Remember that some people are crazy and will work 16 hours a day, half of which is unpaid. Unless you're one of them you'll never excel in this field.

You're a victim of the "You're on your computer all day user, why don't you go to school for computers?" mentality that our well meaning but misinformed parents had. Even if that's not your specific case, the field is flooded with barely trained workers that all claim "proficiency in Javascript frameworks, solid MySQL skills, Java and C++/C# experience" and know just enough to bullshit an interview test. They're harder competition than you know because of higher practices and since you're one of them until proven otherwise.

hiring practices*

Or if you're trying to be some cuck professor or do a complicated form of engineering and need an accredited degree to get hired

You are simply a failed teacher.

>chinks, arabs, and pajeets do that shit for free

Yeap, but there's always the case you would like to spend more than $10 on code no one will charge you of having copied

>civil engineer

Most software engineers, myself included, make over 100k to fix pajeets mistakes because those fuckers can code but it's shit.
That's like asking a team of third graders to design a bridge. They might get it working but it would be shit and collapse when the first car passes.

That's what I did. I needed 3 more math classes for a minor, so why not. Spent a summer taking them.

I'd consider this posibility if kids from russian schools haven't been picking this up on a whim. And everyone passed their tests in the end.

>have folder full of projecs
>too lazy to upload it to github or kaggle

Fuck me...Not done with school yet so that's my excuse.

>Canadian dollars
that's what? 45k in real money?

nice article, thanks.

I can tell you what a waste of intelligence is: Using it to blow 150k at college so you can appease your bosses for money you dont need

I literally couldn't get one, and I have a great resume, even the people hiring said so plenty o ftimes and they still said it's not good enough. I asked if they wanted internships and many of them said "well nobody who hires really takes those seriously since its grunt work you can learn the first week of real work.

Can somebody answer thisI'm pretty confused where to start.

There is more suitable board for it: Learning this domain is much more complex task than just reading one

History Major, Japanese Minor

I'm going to work in government or construction.

Do not sexualise the Miku!

you obviously didn't look hard enough for a good school. and you can't just expect school to be your ony training/experience in the cs field.

you should have had some projects out of school to get the edge on the rest.