Was fascism more or less just the middle class who wanted to maintain the status quo or take it back to when things...

Was fascism more or less just the middle class who wanted to maintain the status quo or take it back to when things were comfy for them?

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no, the nazis were both anti-bourgeois and anti-radical. they attracted many working class into the movement, particularly the SA. thats why Hitler ended up having to purge the SA when he got into power and needed to court the reactionary-oriented military and bourgeois businessmen for practical reasons.

Educate yourself anywhere but here or wikipedia

Fascism was merely collective goy action used to oppose Jewish communism in Italy as opposed to the pathetic weak monarchies of old

They were pro working class while Communists were all Jewish elitists who couldn't wait to kill all the proles

He can start here

THE CULTURAL TAKEOVER OF GERMANY BY THE JEWS
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Fascism is simply the state keeping an eye on businesses and private enterprises. If it benefits society and the people, it is allowed. If it is harmful or dangerous to the people and nation, it is stopped.

For example, a fascist state would be opposed to paedophilia, but would not be opposed to a private bakery.

>tfw green parties regulating carbon emissions are fascist

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>implying commies can read more than one sentence

If they could, they wouldn't be commies

Fascism/NatSoc is a revolution against the world wide marxist revolution. The only reason it existed and will continue to exist to oppose Marxism whenever and whereever it rears it's ugly head. Get rid of Leftism/Marxism no matter what form it takes and the need for Fascism to stand against it goes away.

fascism in germany was just a response to the versailles treaty, this is pretty much it, and everyobe in today's world who unironically likes fascism should kill themselves, since we cannot larp 30's Germany, we have to go for an alternative view of things, like Richard Spencer or something, whatever fits the modern world but relatively cures the current year cancers at the same time

>needed to court the reactionary-oriented military and bourgeois businessmen for practical reasons

Like bourgeois and military actually being good at what they do?

>fascism in the usa was just a response to the affirmative action

Fixed that for you

nazi system is Judaism for the goyim.

yes

fascism means military strength and a sense of unity and nationalism dictates all
the reason jews hate this is because usually the jew serves his filthy god beyond all else, they are jews first and nationalists never, they don't care at all about the country they live in, merely leeching from it while serving their god
that is why they coincidentally also end up being the first on the chopping block, there is no inherent antisemitism, it's simply how the jew acts that makes him end up in the holocoaster

fascism is a working class revolution much like communism, but it's very different
in communism you are given rights that are absolute, the government exists to defend your rights. in fascism you earn your right to follow the law, the government exists to attack anyone who doesn't do as they ought to
in communism it is a globalistic network where everyone is meant to go along with each other because it is thought that humans are infallible and incorruptible. in fascism it is a nationalistic fervour where every man works for the greater good, a goal beyond themselves for the nation itself and everyone who lives there, where it is thought that disciplined and hardworking humans with goals will fight until the very end, never wavering. it is also worth noting that in fascism a traitor is the greatest of enemies, far beyond that of the enemy itself
in communism the government is headed by an order of jews, all stealing from the pool of wealth coming in and missusing their powers, laws don't even apply to them (much the same with capitalism). in fascism the government is headed by soldiers, they will be executed immediately if they ever step out of line, because everyone is on a very heavy lookout for potential enemies and they treat traitors harshly, rapidly, and most important of all, justly.

in communism everyone is thought to be the same, with the exact same strengths and abilities, whilst in fascism everyone is thought to be different, with varying amounts of gain that can be given to the nation. people are allocated where they are most useful and people who cannot earn their keep are exterminated for their own good. funnily enough this does not mean extermination of every black on earth, rather they get delegated more suitable work rather than assimilating into the white man's society
in communism there is no god, you serve yourself and your goals beyond all else, you're all equal and you are the only person who matters, all you do is for yourself. in fascism there is also no god, yet you do not serve yourself in the least, everything you do is for the nation and for your people, not for yourself. fascism is far beyond the pitiful and decrepit idea of serving yourself, as it is the most disgusting waste of time imaginable, everything is for the nation in the absolutes, to try to make real the dream of perfection

fascism is about rooting out selfishness, synonymous with degeneration, while communism fosters it. fascism is about empowering the people and arming them to be as strong as could be, while communism is about disempowering the people by keeping them complacent and weak
fascism is never toppled from the inside, always from the outside, the populous is in such a fervour that they will rid themselves of traitors instantly and never forget the dream of a perfect world, only attainable by constant vigilance and striving for the goal, the greater goal, always far beyond their selves, their brothers in arms, even their families are not above this greater goal. communism is always toppled by strong resistance fighters and unrest amongst the populace itself

fascism recognizes that anyone who doesn't serve a cause beyond themselves cannot be relied upon, even less if they serve a cause differing to the nation

who knows how accurate your definition is to the real world, but whatever

one of the problem's of the "vigilance" you describe, in particular speaking positively of government officials being "executed immediately if they ever step out of line" and being on a "very heavy lookout for enemies". while you say that its most important to treat traitors "justly", the impression i get from your sentence is that you're actually putting more emphasis on "harshly and rapidly", which doesn't really mix well with justly. quick, brutal justice is effective in some contexts but will be severely demoralising if implemented as fixed national policy, especially when everyone's paranoid - or as you put it "on a very heavy lookout for potential enemies". how can someone expect proper judicial representation if their trial is rapid. and you can't exactly appeal or be pardoned once you're dead.

furthermore, this overbearing hivelike collectivism is self-defeating, suffocating and has no ultimate goal that will redeem its growing pains. fascism has always seemed to me revolutionary and ultimately a short-term process, not a continual, everlasting period of constant, violent vigilance. that is an emergency measure, a trapped beast fighting for survival, not apt for peacetime. fascism rises up in response to outside threats, not as a final goal in and of itself. what is worth fighting for in this system? why should one place this disgusting collective ahead of himself?

cucked & spooked

>why should one place this disgusting collective ahead of himself?

What one places ahead of himself is completely arbitrary, but it has to be there. As humans, we form our identities ultimately through ideology, in the widest sense of this word.
Meeting someone on the street and saying hello to them, in their language is practicing ideology.
Using a fork and a knife while you eat is practicing ideology.
Any time you see others around you acting in the same way you do, you confirm to yourself that you are human, that you matter.
Nationalism just happens to be the default ideology you begin with as a child, hence the easiest and least traumatizing one to implement at the government level.
And do you know what happens to people traumatized by ideology?
They turn into monsters: rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zeal_of_the_convert

Oh, and the word spook is obviously ideological, the only reason you don't realize that is cognitive dissonance from the fact that Max Stirner seemed so smart to you, and yet everyone else besides you seems completely oblivious to his super-duper important message.

thats mostly agreeable but the point i was making is that the artificial society he proposes has no raison d'etre. it will not survive because there is no impetus for it to. i could create a shitty ideology and convert people to it but if it wasn't in their self-interest to perpetuate it in some way, it would collapse in on itself.

also
>rationalwiki

>convert people to it but if it wasn't in their self-interest to perpetuate it in some way

But nationalism perpetuates itself-via language and socializing. You don't need any Repressive State Apparatus like the KGB or secret police to support it. The people will rat out the foreigners without any push by the government to do so.

Hoping that I will understand your one-word greentext in a correct way is ideological as well.

i am not talking about nationalism. i am talking about fascism, which is a distinctly state-based ideology. also, the laws described by the norwegian's post was centred around traitors, not foreigners. traitors are harder to root out and are not easily identified, and the lines between who is and who isn't a traitor are blurry and entirely ideological anyway. a system where almost anyone can be a criminal without being aware of it is not healthy. also get offf Sup Forums zizek

Facism was a rejection of globalist abuses, celebration of nationhood and community, and a show of force against communism.

of course fascism does not mean paranoia in the common populous, rather that they bond together with cameraderie stronger than ever because they need to be stronger than ever to defeat the endless opposition that always mounts an offensive against them, but i won't cast aside the fact that nationalism and fascism often means lots of enemies. it's an ideology grounded in competition where you need to do your very best to succeed or you're simply not offering enough. you're competing with everyone around you to try to make the nation into the greatest it has ever been so that you may reach the final goal of complete independence from the degenerate and selfish influences from the rest of the world while also being strong enough to not only sustain this but defend yourself. conscription serves the double purpose of not only making every man capable of defending the nation but also serving to breed further proudness in their nation and heritage so that they have even more will to struggle for the greater good of the nation
it is a given that traitors cannot be executed without proof, but if there is proof then they can expect very swift justice for what they have done against the nation. similarly, deserters too receive no mercy, nor do those with apathy to the greater good. the sick and diseased that cannot benefit the nation more than they drain from it must also be ridden off for their own good and for the nations good. the idea of nationalism is that nobody would even want to live such a despicable and degenerate life where they are unable to serve their nation.

i did not touch on this previously, but nationalism and fascism will always degenerate into something much worse once they are free of enemies. there will be a golden era of culture, science, and innovation once they've passed the hurdle of differentiating ideology, but sooner or later they will succumb to revolution and switch of ideology, to give rights this and rights that, to get rid of the "tyranny of government" and so on. still, fascism is continual and everlasting and constant vigilance so long as there are enemies, because this outwards attention focused on the idea of enemies keeps the idea and ideology alive and prevents inner degeneration. for peacetime i've already touched on a few ways it helps, it prevents people being spoiled with rights, it breeds cameraderie by way of military discipline, and it keeps everyone with stable nation pride. it rises up against outside threats as the final goal itself, because once the outside threats are dealt with there are no more hurdles in the way of progress for humanity as a whole, the nation is free to go to greater extents than humanity has ever been able to before in this new era of unity

>why should one place this disgusting collective ahead of himself
of course you pose many questions if you cannot understand this, this is the very foundation of nationalism and fascism, you cannot possibly ever expect to have such an ideology if the populous cannot put the collective ahead of himself
this is the core, nothing else matters, absolutely nothing else.

the idea is that it is your ideology and nation against the world at large, of course there are neutrals and allies, but the vast majority of them serve the conspiracy out to eliminate you and your nation forever. they want not only to defeat you, but destroy your way of life and pillage your country and forever hinder its advancements, the terrible and unimaginable fates that will befall upon those of your nation, not only your family but everyone else too, also serves to motivate you. your nation is the final bulwark in the entire world against the unstoppable machine beset on destroying human advancement and the human spirit, beset on drowning humanity in endless degeneracy never letting go for even a second, if your nation falls then there is nothing else in the world to prevent these higher powers from doing whatever they want with anyone and anything. it will be a world not worth living in at that point, so if you fail the collective, the nation itself, then you suffer the ultimate penalty and may never recover again
the collective is not disgusting, it is a thing of beauty, it is to protect humanity and allow innovation never before seen, it just has to best these impossible odds and innumerable challenges ahead of them to win the war of all wars to have eternal peace from then on and out. or so it is in theory.

i'd also like to mention that the user who replied to you is right. i never said that the delusion of nationalism is anything but that, but it serves the goal if giving a man a greater good to serve, that is its only purpose. to make him serve a cause, to make him fight and struggle for longer than ever, to make him aid in advancing humanity beyond all imaginable boundaries.
but the delusion of nationalism is superior to the delusion of god, as the delusion of god is entirely self serving and degenerate, while the delusion of nationalism is for the collective as a whole, still benefitting yourself naturally, still inherently degenerate and selfish to some degree, but so much less selfish than any other available alternative. thus nationalism and fascism is the greatest ideology imaginable for human progress
its reason for existence is extinguished once it is free to do whatever it wants, they will struggle to maintain the nationalistic and fascistic order when there is no longer any threat of external domination, and eventually succumb under the pressure of social reform. but before that there will be unwavering faith in the cause to free them all of the global influences that mean them ill

This sounds a lot like commie shit to me ching chong ping pong. I'm from the land of the free and the home of the brave. Keep your gubmint hands out of my shit.

kind of a beautiful portrait of constant striving and camaradery you painted in those posts, user. theres something attractive about the idea of eternal struggle, going through pain and hardship in the moonlit trenches against an overwhelming faceless enemy with your dearest comrades who you trust with the whole world.
i would almost certainly be done away with in your society though since i'm apathetic, mentally ill, sickly and homosexual.

communism is the authoritarian version of anarchocapitalism, capitalism and corporatism are somewhere around the middle
you are governed by wealthy individuals, most likely jews, satanists in reality
they can do whatever they want unpunished while enslaving the common populous
the idea is that humans are nice people who would let each other do what they're supposed to while doing what they're supposed to without infringing on each other's property or person
you are entirely self serving, the only purpose being gaining things for yourself
in one you go to a gulag if you do anything contrary to their will, in the other you are under the illusion of absolute freedom and degeneracy until you try to do anything contrary to their will
in one you have government mandated enforced jobs, in the other you are "free" to go work to pay for food and whatever else you want