CATHOLIC GENERAL

CATHOLIC GENERAL
Sorry the last thread died.

Everyone is welcome.
Discuss news, ask question, give answers, be kind to one another, and above all assist one another in living the virtuous life. As usual, I will be assisting with answering questions and helping people out. I recommend you do the same.

List of recommended Christian movies, music, and books in the following posts. Feel free to add to the lists.

Today is the feast day of The Epiphany of Our Lord. You can read more on it here:
catholicism.about.com/od/holydaysandholidays/p/Epiphany.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_(holiday)

>Catholic Encyclopedia
newadvent.org/


Here are your daily readings.
usccb.org/bible/readings/010817.cfm

Other urls found in this thread:

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Christian music list here. Pic is movies list.

>Marvin Gaye's "God is Love"
youtube.com/watch?v=nA7C815I104
>Woven Hand's "My Russia"
youtube.com/watch?v=vbUXbMn2zfc
>Om's Pilgrimage Album
youtube.com/watch?v=IK6wJUNirbs
>Sufjan Steven's "No Shade in the Shadow of the Cross"
youtube.com/watch?v=qx1s_3CF07k
>mewithoutyou - Sun and Moon
youtube.com/watch?v=9Mor7syiTSE
>Young Oceans - ONLY YOU
youtube.com/watch?v=imEvd1ck4fs
>Bobby McFerrin's Joshua
youtube.com/watch?v=7DRketdk07o
>Psalter's Lord's Prayer
youtube.com/watch?v=L3rT8YVJERk
>Janelle Monae's Victory
youtube.com/watch?v=mJ6wkOO_MEA
>Johnny Cash's God's Gonna Cut You Down
youtube.com/watch?v=ht7mxF9XZiA
>Nick Drake - Pink Moon
youtube.com/watch?v=CPbWMvQwroo
>Mary Lou Williams - Anima Christi
youtube.com/watch?v=4fv14RFfRLA
>Dr. C.J. Johnson's "You Better Run"
youtube.com/watch?v=bchmhIdZgys
>Judee Sill's Heart Food
youtube.com/watch?v=KI7sOZQaSkI
>Dave Bixby's "Free Indeed"
youtube.com/watch?v=JhHBGRr2XDE
>The Revolutionary Army of the Infant Jesus' "Beauty After the Fall"
youtube.com/watch?v=mcbJFvje29A

Hymns

>A nice Latin hymn
youtube.com/watch?v=xRi1GDoaQu4
>Nice Orthodox hymn
youtube.com/watch?v=Mw8XE3j_c0U
>A nice Coptic hymn
youtube.com/watch?v=vL1lxH7s3Cw
>18th century English hymn
youtube.com/watch?v=b1bSlS6OWTs
>The Lord's Prayer in Swahili, done in song.
youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1A
>A nice collection of South Pacific Island hymns from the movie The Thin Red Line
youtube.com/watch?v=7A1Z5CEXDM4
>Hail Mary in Latin, done in song.
youtube.com/watch?v=ihNVhFA_X3I
>Hallelujah Chorus done suddenly in the public
youtube.com/watch?v=wp_RHnQ-jgU
>Quality Icelandic hymn
youtube.com/watch?v=e4dT8FJ2GE0

Reposting my Apostolic Christianity recommended books:

>GENERAL

The Bible (Ignatius Study Bible Recommended)
The catechism of your denomination

>accepted English versions of Bible

NABRE
Douay Rheims
RSV

>THEOLOGY

>novice

Introduction to Christianity by Joseph Ratzinger
The Last Superstition by Edward Feser
The Everlasting Man by G.K. Chesterton
Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton
Mere Christianity
CATHOLICISM by Robert Barron
The Orthodox Way by Kallistos Ware
Outlines of Moral Theology by Francis J. Connell

>intermediate

Scholastic Metaphysics by Edward Feser
God: His Existence and His Nature by Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange
Natural Theology by Bernard Boedder
The Spirit of Medieval Philosophy by Etienne Gilson
Against Heresies
City of God
Christianity for Modern Pagans
The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church

>advanced

Apologia Pro Vita Sua
Summa Contra Gentiles
Summa Theologiae
On the Incarnation
The Didache
Divine Names by Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite

Part 1/2

>beeing a cucktholic
Laughing at you guys.
T. mormon

Part 2/2
>SPIRITUAL LIFE

>novice

The Introduction to the Devout Life by St. Francis de Sales
Story of a Soul by St. Therese
The Seven Storey Mountain by Thomas Merton
Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future by Fr Seraphim Rose
Nihilism - Fr Seraphim Rose

>intermediate

The Interior Castle
Spiritual Exercises by St. Ignatius
Dialogues by St. Catherine of Sienna
True Devotion to Mary
True Devotion to the Holy Spirit

>advanced

The Cloud of Unknowing
The Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross
The Desert Fathers
The Philokalia
The Ladder of Divine Ascent
New Seeds of Contemplation by Thomas Merton
The Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kempis

>MEMETICS

Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World by Rene Girard
I See Satan Fall Like Lightning by Rene Girard

>HISTORICAL/BIOGRAPHICAL

Rome Sweet Home
The Long Loneliness by Dorothy Day
After Virtue
Christendom I: Founding of Christendom
Theology and Social Theory by John Millbank
Ethics and the Limits of Philosophy by Bernard Williams
Life of St.Anthony by Saint Athanasius
Life of St Francis of Assisi by Saint Bonaventure
Silouan the Athonite by Archimandrite Sophrony
The Autobiography of St. Ignatius Loyol

>FICTION

Don Quixote
The Divine Comedy
Paradise Lost
Silence by Shusaku Endo
A Canticle for Leibowitz
Faust
Les Miserables
The Canterbury Tales
The Man Who Was Thursday
The Brothers Karamazov
A Man for All Seasons
The Pillars of the Earth
The Lord of the Rings
The Chronicles of Narnia
Lord of the World
Parzifal
Joseph of Arimathea: A Romance of the Grail
The Arthurian Cycle
Quo Vadis

>Mormons in Germany
what?

>jesuit
>not a traditional catholic
we can fix this

>Sorry the last thread died.

No probs. Just link it once or twice in /ptg/

Why am I not in the least surprised.

The LDS has been proselytizing their heresy there for some time now. There are several tens of thousands there.

5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the Lord have created it.

9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.

12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

>7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

there are mormons here too

I know, weird isnt it

So theological speaking what heresy is Mormonism? Arianism?

>cucktholic general

Was responding to this post when the thread died. Posting here.

Well first off you never answered my question. You stated that there was an even counterbalance as a premise when the question was how omnipotence IMPLIES an evenness itself. Further, your criticism would bring up as a criticism a lack of motion in God which is held to be the case in the first place by theologians. This criticism would imply God as a kind of being for motion to be relevant at all and so mistakes the target addressed.

Further, addressing a zero sum of energy, this fails to be generalized as truly nothing even by the people who champion it.

>You know one of the main issues is that people just don't really try to disprove theological contentions. They are often simply accepted, when in truth there may be better thoughts yet unseen.

Perhaps in modern day between Evangelicals but that has no bearing on the study of it beforehand, especially within scholasticism.

Well thats disheartening.

Will do.

I'm not even surprised : it was a german who ruined the thread.

It's a bunch. It's polytheism is so severe it renders even their baptisms dubious.

HANG THE POPE

>It's
Its*

>this bullshit coming from Mexico of all places

Disgusting.
Do you not see the growth of degeneracy Sup Forums fights being tied to the departure of Christianity in society?

>and its the Frenchman that doesn't fight it and just gives up

Why does Jesus never reference himself as God?

Good morning/evening Wolf!

Hope ya had a lovely new year.

Some comfy Christmas music:

youtube.com/watch?v=wbdvo019mgM

Fix your own shit, he is a mormon so he is probably and american student in Germany.

I've yet to see how the is of current degeneracy justifies an ought of catholicism

a new religion needs to be founded; the old one is a corpse that can't be taken seriously anymore, just like nat soc

personally i propose some form of modern manicheanism with an emphasis of physical denial since pleasure is of this world and thus keeps us entrapped

How does it feel to be a heretic scum?

He did actually, in a Jewy way.

>“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

They didn't want to stone Him here because He insulted Abraham (he didn't) nor because He insulted them, but because they understood that he was referring to himself as God (who is called I Am).

I'm actually curious
What do actual Cathilics think about the current pope?
Do you just accept it because he is the pope or do you dislike his actions, support them, ...

Nu-right are fucking cancer, I hope you people choke on your shitty jesus crackers.

Accept him as Pope, don't like him. He's basically making all the wrong decisions. We've had bad Pope's before, pray for him

This still isn't /x/ , you retard.

>What do actual Cathilics think about the current pope?
I'm on the fence with him as of current for the most part I understand his actions and how they relate to what Christ taught. On the other hand I would prefer a more conservative Pope that isn't afraid to point out the crap thats wrong in the Islamic faith.

>What do actual Cathilics think about the current pope?

A mixed bag.

Wicked smart, though. If you're going to pick a fight with him you better read up and know your shit.

>He's basically making all the wrong decisions.
Like what?

What do you guys think of this?

youtube.com/watch?v=-6FfTxwTX34

I accept that he is a bad Pope. Kind of like how a guy can know he has a bad father, but still respects his father nonetheless. It seems pretty likely that Pope Francis has fallen into heresy, however, that's not for me to decide.

Likely the case but your comment implies some manner of communion or care for the thread.

It is reactionary but common to see the departure from Christianity leading to bullshit and so responding with rejoining Christianity. At best, the dilemma should form a kind of communion of interests with Christianity.

These threads are hosted for the Christian community on Sup Forums and in support of the truth.

Why are the Church Fathers like Protestants?

>in support of the truth
>implying superstition is the truth

Because Protestants were heavily influenced by the writings of the Church Fathers.

There were good popes, bad popes.

To be fair, the popes were good for 100 years and Francis is the first bad pope since a lot of time.

I miss Bernard XVI, but what could we do ? We must not threaten the stability of christian world.

>cucktholic
>christian
pick one

What he's saying is heresy. There is only one God and He instituted the Catholic Church. There is no god to be found within the false-religions -- only death. If Pope Francis really loved these people he'd e trying to convert them.

But they contradict them

First for Lutherans

>Jesus Christ was born in a stable; He was obliged to fly into Egypt; thirty years of His life were spent in a workshop; He suffered hunger, thirst, and weariness; He was poor, despised, and miserable; He taught the doctrines of heaven, and no one would listen. The great and the wise persecuted and took Him, subjected Him to frightful torments, treated Him as a slave, and put Him to death between two malefactors, having preferred to give liberty to a robber, rather than to suffer Him to escape. Such was the life which our Lord chose; while we are horrified at any kind of humiliation, and cannot bear the slightest appearance of contempt.

It's been challenging, but I'm getting along nicely.
Recently heard about an abbey near me and looking to check it out in coming months.

Well is correct.

Feels good man.

I have mixed opinions on the pope. I support and respect much of what he says and them other things I feel he's just highly mixed up on or are complete misinformation from media. I find the biggest issues to be around political things but much of that extends to our difference in how we understand the situation than our application of morality to it. I don't think he'll run the church into the ground, I just don't believe he's got his fact straight much of the time. But then again I do not follow the guy much at all.

But we have many traditionalists here who just deny him outright so expect this too. They think him a modernist.

You complain about the nu-right and yet deny virtue?

Good to see you again user.

Not intentionally at first.

Explain what you mean. As a Protestant, I find zero church father who supported core Protestant teaching to make them Protestant

>catholic church

- NOT - necessary for salvation

Luther, for instance, was heavily influenced by Saint Augustine; in fact, many of the major Protestant reformers were. Mainline Protestantism typically treats the Church Fathers as authorities, albeit of course perfectly fallible ones. It's not a contradiction in Protestantism to pick and choose what you like and don't from their writings.

Stupid as its trying to uphold religious dialogue but ends up just supporting Unitarian Universalism. It's weak.

user stop being foolish and give substantial criticism if you have it.

>picking one
>when we have both

I'm sorry but I forgot to even ask: How are you, man? How's your new year?

The Church wasn't necessary for human salvation?

That's problematic user.

Luther pls go

not saying it hasn't done a lot of good

>It's been challenging, but I'm getting along nicely.
Recently heard about an abbey near me and looking to check it out in coming months.

Good to hear, hope you have a great time there. Unfortunately I doubt it can come close to this beauty I found.

>Do not call another man father in this world-JEsus

And what do catholics do
>PLs forgive me pope daddy youre my father father forgive me

>>Do not call another man father in this world-JEsus

Stop falsifying scripture faggot.

Pic related seems comfy.

>I'm sorry but I forgot to even ask: How are you, man? How's your new year?
Doing great Wolfy, got to start my New Years as part of the Catholic Church. Its a great feeling.

...

I think when catholics say daddy they mean a different thing

>Doing great Wolfy, got to start my New Years as part of the Catholic Church. Its a great feeling.

God bless. Welcome to the famalamb.

But I read Augustine and Augustine contradict Luther a lot. Augustine believe in free will and even makes mention of cooperative grace by making clear that God works with us in our justification. The difference is Augustine was so anti Pelagian, he makes all the work that is done by humans, assisted by grace and any human only work, imperfect.

You cannot even say the Reformers are influenced by them because as any textbook on the Reformers' use of the fathers will point out, they take them out of context or bend their words to suit themselves. So no. The Church Fathers are not even authorities in Protestantism at all. Their value is only where they supposedly agree with Protestantism which is of course, nowhere.

No Church Father including Augustine espouse Sola Fide or completely assert total monergism in Salvation at all. No Church Father disagree on matters of faith like the Eucharist or Baptism. No Church Father espoused Sola Scriptura at all. Not one.

REMOVE THIS IMMEADITLY. CHRIST-CHAN IS PURE AND WOULD NEVER COMMIT SUCH A LEWD ACT.

>Moromons pretending they aren't the most cuked heresy out there
Top JEJ

mor*onism

*m

...

You're a lucky bastard having all those beautiful cathedrals and abbeys laying around your country.

Finland please don't.

You go too far I think. You're thinking of Protestantism as if it was a religion invented replete with fixed doctrines; it wasn't and isn't, it adapts, changes and evolves. It's fluid.

He's no JPII or Benedict but he's still the Pope. I don't like him one bit

I know this is supposed to refute all of religion like all the fedora copypastas, but consider the following.
If you are married, and every time you fuck her, she gets this "its sin but it feels good" aphrodisiac, you'll have better sex, a better relation and best of all, you can go to church and the lord will forgive you for your "sin".
Does anybody got more of those btw?

Nobody says there couldn't be other sources, but that doesn't establish that the Catholic Church is such a source

Thank you user.

Oh and Wolf, threadly reminder that I am still thankful for all the help in bringing me to the Faith.

Yeah, the only thing you need is the compilation of books made by the Church you don't need.

rule34 websites

lel

Can you name me a church father who
a)Espouse Sola Fide
b)Espouse Sola Scriptura
c)Affirm absolute predestination
d)Disagree on the nature of Eucharist

Maybe they should've written them in English then

>Do not call another man father in this world

Sin begins in the heart. People could have multiple reasons to say father so with multiple intents that begin in the heart the act itself has no reason to be considered sin in itself but the intent behind it. If you look at the full context of the scene here it portrays a teaching Jesus had of the pharisees that is much more in depth than "don't call people this word, no matter what the reason".

Well God bless, user. Welcome to the fold, buddy.
I know what you mean about the monasteries too. They tend to be so beautiful but yet so distant from us. I have Belmont Abbey no far off from me but its tied to a university and doesn't really match the idyllic monastery at all.


r00d

Pic related was built in 1950 :3

Tall buildings should honnor God and not international jewry. u_u

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>you'll have better sex
I'm pretty sure sex that you know is approved by God is a much better feeling
>a better relation
A relationship built on sin and premarital sex. This is why society is falling.
>and best of all, you can go to Church and the Lord will forgive you for your "sin".
Not if you are not actually repentant. And to assume God's forgiveness as an excuse sin is a sin in itself.

Yeah!
We don't need these old books! They weren't even written in English!

All you need to do is say this one magic sentence and you're good!
You don't even need to try and be a good person or anything!
How neat is that?

11/10 would love to participate in Mass there.

>You will never chill with a saint that likes to cosplay

Daily reminder

catholics probably regret the bible, and that's why they were so keen that only priests could read it

Cute

Nope. They wouldn't be church father's if they espoused views like that.

>Be patterns, be examples in all countries, places, islands, nations wherever you come; that your carriage and life may preach among all sorts of people, and to them; then you will come to walk cheerfully over the world, answering that of God in everyone; whereby in them you may be a blessing, and make the witness of God in them to bless you.

Im a hom, Catholic and I dont know what to do.
I try not to cuss, im not slutty, I believe sex before marriage is a sin, but I believe gay marriage id a sin, and being gay is a sin. I dont not do it because I merely think its a sin - I see it as disgusting anyway

Am I being punished. I follow the Catholicism as best I can, but Im gay, I always have that lingering in the back of my head

>emotes
user no

But user that looks beautiful.

I'm pretty sure the reason only priests read it was because the average person was illiterate. The Bible to produce (or purchase one) would cost about two years wage in that day and age. And finally what happened when everybody got access to the Bible? Well we got female priests, gay marriage, sodomy, fornication and all the other sinful behavior that is accepted in many protestant denominations.

>tfw no qt saintly gf

you faggot cucks with your Catholic organizations, along with the jews, are the ones that are importing muslim refugees from the middle east. fuck you faggots, I hope the muslims burn your fucking shit down

Quit being gay then

You also need to remember though that they didn't disavow such doctrines because they weren't exactly current. The Church Fathers do, of course, treat e.g. the bible as a sacred and infallible authority; exactly so, some Protestant reformers could easily use their treating the bible as such as a kind of "proof" for their doctrine of sola scriptura.

Ah shit, saved.

Only priests and monks were to have scripture in older periods because books themselves were so valuable and hard to obtain. All books were done by hand. Some of the rich did commission books, though.

>Sweden
>Germany
>Catholic

Okay.

I mean that the Church didn't approve of the Bible being translated

We knew that we would be screwed if we allowed the illiterate masses to look at a book that they couldn't read.
If they found out you could actually just recite a magic sentence instead of paying us, the game would be up.
That's why we murdered them all.