Alt-Right vs National Capitalism

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Alt-Right:
>Socialist in nature.
>Believes the state should have the power to remove the right of reproduction.
>Believes in state sponsored genocide.
>Would rather Israel be removed by islam.
>Believes the state should be able to remove the right of free speech from some.
>Believes in gun control for some.
>Believes in a singular leader who can make the right decisions in all areas.
>State sponsored racism.
>Integration should be done through murder.
>Borders should be entirely closed.

Alt-Righter example: Richard Spencer
Alt-Righter leader: Adolf Hitler
Closest Alt-Righter country example: ISIS, Turkey.


National Capitalism:
>Capitalist in nature.
>Believes the state should not be able to remove any right.
>Believes in free market induced racism if it is proven to be real economically.
>Believes the state should sponsor in all its endeavors nationalism.
>Doesnt believe in the welfare state.
>Believes the population should use its purchasing power to protest anti-nationalist companies.
>Western chauvinist.
>Would rather Israel survive, than Islamic nations.
>Policies should ultimately defend the nation.

National Capitalist: Ghost, maybe even Milo.
National Capitalist Leader: Donald Trump.
Closest National Capitalist country example: Japan, Churchill`s Great Britain.

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Everything you wrote is bullshit.

How so

Even for a monkey, you're fucking stupid

>ur dumb
no, u

Alt-right is nothing but ethno bolshivism

>national capitalism
there can be no multicultural nation

Pretty much, but i think it would rustle too many jimmies if i pointed that out up there.

There are already faggots with hurt fee fees already.

You are right. If someone goes to a nation they should integrate. Both believe that to be the case, but the methods differ.
What of it?

You're misrepresenting a diverse set of ideas there.

If you place other kinds of political opinions in the same graph they will overlap a lot.

What people `like` is not necessarily what the government should or should not do based on their thoughts.

Are you denying that most of the alt-right would rather niggers be killed?

No, you would not.

Yet i dont see it on your graph.

Also

>opposing war
>neopaganism
>pan-european brotherhood

What massive edge cuckoldry.

>Are you denying that most of the alt-right would rather niggers be killed?

I can't speak for the alt-right, but since you mentioned Richard Spencer as I recall he supports ethno-nationalism for all peoples, although obviously he cares more for his own, European peoples than for others.


What are you even trying to say?

It seems that the end result of your 'national capitalism' would be much the same as what we have today, namely global racial homogenisation, environmental destruction and empty consumerism for eternity.

Perhaps the government would be more efficient and we would have more disposable income but aside from that I don't see the benefits.

This is not even fucking close to correct.

>opposing war
It is right to oppose wars that only benefit the military-industrial complex, or Israel, or whoever we bomb the middle east for only to invite their populations into our countries

>neopaganism
I have no opinion on this.

>pan-european brotherhood
I don't think a Brazilian could ever understand this, seeing as Brazilians have no real ethnic identity, being a mashup of many different peoples.

The end result is a world that respects culture, yet has a population mobilized enough to harm corporations who would trade their nation for profit.

Maybe its harder to understand to westerners right now and i know that you are going to call me a weaboo but if you ever go to Japan take a look at how the systems work and the measure of reverence towards other japanese present at all times in society.

Now, i hate Japan. But once i understood how the serious national culture works it was pretty amazing.

The end result of the Alt-Right is pretty much a faggot`s nazism. A state that kisses the ass of white people and tries to reign in everyone.

National capitalism says, if you are good, show it in numbers and you will be respected.

Its not because im brazillian. Thats a faggot thing to do in a society. In a society that cares about the future at least.

I say, yes, respect, but dont be a faggot over it. You dont deserve anything for being white just as nobody deserves anything for being whatever identity.

Why are Brazilian posters always so fucking moronic?

Tell me how i am moronic then.

>in favor of neopaganism
>also in favor of traditionalist Christianity
ayy lmao

>You dont deserve anything for being white just as nobody deserves anything for being whatever identity.

I want to be left alone, and to be genetically European, and have children who are the same as I am, and die happy in the knowledge that as long as there are people there will be ethnic Europeans. I'm not after a pat on the back or a handout for being born 'white', a term of convenience that I personally dislike because it negates the differences that exist between different European peoples.

As I said before I think you are misrepresenting what the alt-right believes, which is especially annoying considering that there are many people who identify as 'alt-right' yet hold opposing or contradictory views. You could describe it as right wing intersectionality if you wanted to.

>it's almost like a large group of people who agree on a few basic principles also happen to disagree on other issues.

You could even argue that the two are not necessarily opposed, see Evola on being a 'catholic pagan' or Christmas trees. As far as I'm concerned both the Pagans and Christians on Sup Forums are LARPers.

>alt-cucks
>Hitler
Lel. They suck rabbi Shlomos cock daily

I voted alt-right before I saw you have Hitler as a leader and ISIS as an example. Screw that. I would only vote alt-right without the genocide, Nazi or ISIS crap.

Just please don't tell the media that Hitler is alive and well and is personally leading the Alt-Right™ via an animatronic Richard Spencer.

Alright, alright. I do realize that the Alt-Right is the general term that we have used during the elections and that it actually is just an intersectionality of many ideals.

The alternative right is actually just all the right wings that were left out of all decisions right now, is it not?

Well i think a worthy branch is this one
The anti-nazi nationalists who value freedom.

I think there is a massive split in the Alt-Right as we are being forced to defend things we dont defend for political reasons.

Anyway, you will be left alone in a national capitalist society. And nobody is going to change your genetics.

Worth saying, in a national capitalist society, even if all the people in taiwan are replaced by american natives, those american natives will value taiwanese values and the country will live on in something even deeper than race. Which to me is honestly more important than it living in genetics.

The people who are importing the third world are not marxists, or proletariat paupers. They are bourgeois elite capitalists, who are displacing our people in the name of profit, self gratification and cheap labor.

Capitalism is anti-unity, anti-nationalist and anti-white. You can not be an authentic nationalist and a capitalist.

No concessions, no capitulation. No sickle&hammer, no dollar sign.

No way but our way! We should accept nothing less but authentic and genuine national rebirth and the destruction of these relics of the Cold War.

National Capitlists/Libertarians can't be stopped. You authoritarian retards cant even freedom.

Fuck em both. Fucking kikes.

>The people who are importing the third world are not marxists, or proletariat paupers. They are bourgeois elite capitalists, who are displacing our people in the name of profit, self gratification and cheap labor.

Why does Japan not do it?
Because it would hurt their national identity. It would be shameful.

As much as i hate to use Japan as an example, it has come to be the best example of what it means to be both nationalist and capitalist at the same time.

And i think it is alright to argue any ideology as long as it has in mind what is best for the nation. People shoudnt be shut off and shoudnt be able to shut others off through the state.

Freedom fetishism is what got us in this position to begin with.

Freedom to do what? Freedom from what? It's abstract, fluid and subjective. What is "freedom" to me may not be "freedom" to you.

Your ideology is weak in nature, and worships weakness.

The poisoned and misguided ideals of the Enlightenment will die, and we'll all be better off for it. Thank god this failed experiment will soon come to a close.

What's the alt right?

Nationalist Capitalism is indeed GOAT.

For one, it isn't really fair to compare a nation like Japan to any Western country.

For two, they have their own problems. Birth rates, societal decadence, and yes, encroaching foreign populations (Westerners, Koreans, Chinese).

By allowing traitors and subversives a platform to speak, you are empowering them to fool the masses. Propaganda matters more than "truth" in the modern world. You may not like it, but that is simply how it works. "Free speech" got us into this mess to begin with. They were free to plead their case, and now look where we are. It's fallacious.

I like both.

both of them are ran by jews

There is no "alt-right" you Spencer groupie. The "alt-right" is nothing more than a meme to divide the right, that's it.

We are weak yet it is you who demand the state to affirm your pride.

You are like a moaning little toddler who needs to be taught how to live.

Grow a pair. The state is not your mother`s skirt to hide under.

The greatest things done in the world were done so under Capitalism.

Freedom isnt "Freedom from" its "Freedom to" its pretty fucking explicit dont irresponsibly bastardize it.

My "weak" ideology created the modern world. A world in which EVERYONE has a chance for prosperity and success.

>Christianity
huh really makes you think

"Divide" the right, how?

Do you actually believe there is anything worth saving about the centrist "conservative" movement? What do they accomplish? What have they accomplished in the past?

Your average "conservative" president has no problem with mass immigration and cronyism. The same as any "liberal". In truth, all centrists are liberals. Republican or Democrat, the flavor is very similar.

There needs to be purges in the right alright. Purges of the cold-war relics and centrists. The "conservative movement" is a shallow and outdated reaction to Soviet Socialism, which is now dead and no longer a threat.

>neopagans
huh really fires you synapses

Alt-Right

Capitalism is just a tool of any nation. As long as the (((crony capitalists))) are hung from the (((lamp))) posts of Wallstreet then it doesn't matter.

Send all non-white illegals back. All other minorities offer them financial incentives to repatriate or move to their own geographical district areas. Make it worth their while to leave.

You could have build and carve out mini cities in Africa and other nations. Give them free air-fare and a key to their new home. No right of return. While were at it do the same for gays.

No genocide and humane solutions. That is the sort of alt-right I voted for, not what the OP listed.

Hey, maybe stop talking about things you don't know about.

>The alternative right is actually just all the right wings that were left out of all decisions right now, is it not?
It incorporates elements of everything that has been taboo since '45, and more importantly 1776.

>Well i think a worthy branch is this one
There is nothing in your OP that explicitly goes against the alt-right as a whole. But as I said before, the alt-right is not some rigid, dogmatic political ideology so many of those who call themselves 'alt-right' would disagree with you on some things.

>Worth saying, in a national capitalist society, even if all the people in taiwan are replaced by american natives, those american natives will value taiwanese values and the country will live on in something even deeper than race. Which to me is honestly more important than it living in genetics.
Some things like this. Today we see culture as a shallow, inconsequential thing like national dress or what kind of food we eat. Instead we should recognise that a culture comes about organically from the people who create it. For example, European culture comes about from a sub-species of humanity that evolved under harsh conditions where co-operation, delayed gratification, planning into the future etc. were necessary for survival.

If we take a group of Africans and move them to Europe, dress them in 'traditional' European dress and impress upon them European values and culture, within a few generations the facade will begin to fall, and in place of European culture something more akin to African culture will arise, because Africans are a different sub-species of humanity, who evolved under very different conditions and so have cultural ways organic to them that are very different to those of Europeans.

will live on in something even deeper than race
There can be no 'deeper' level than race, as race is the most basic component of a person's identity.

MY side:
>Capitalist in nature.
>Believes the state should have the power to remove the right of reproduction.
>Believes in free market induced racism if it is proven to be real economically.
>Doesnt believe in the welfare state.
>Borders should be entirely closed.

"National capitalism" is an oxymoron. Capitalism is inherently anti-nationalist.

You mean Nationalist-Libertarianism

I-DONT-FUCKING-CARE

I'm against corruption and against lies

If you read my post again, I said "freedom to".

What a wonderful modern world it is! Look around you and look at what you're defending. Decadence, addiction, vice, stupidity, complacency, laziness, effeminacy. Yes, your ideology did indeed create that.

>We are weak yet it is you who demand the state to affirm your pride.
You are weak and the state is weak. I demand the state be strong, not to affirm my pride but to protect the interests of the masses.

>You are like a moaning little toddler who needs to be taught how to live.
Oh, but it is you who moans when one suggests that your path leads to spiritual death, destruction and decadence. I am merely calling for an alternative.

>Grow a pair. The state is not your mother`s skirt to hide under.
You can make all the shallow metaphors you like. Your way led us here, and you're defending a failed experiment.

>The greatest things done in the world were done so under Capitalism.
What would a Brazilian know about greatness? Are you implying that greatness hasn't been achieved under other systems? What you now know as "Capitalism" is fairly new, and what preceded it was new. Under what probably fits your idea of "true capitalism", most people were miserable, working for crumbs and dying of black lung. Then once they finally organized and the abuse didn't fly anymore, they realized it was safer and cheaper to import people who are already used to being miserable as a source of cheap labor.

Oh yes, during mercantilism, the capitalist aspect surely overruled all decisions done by the nations involved.

They are not mutually exclusive. That is simply a lie. The world has been this way before.

The Brittish Empire was National Capitalist. Everything done by trade was done for king and country first.

>Believes the state should have the power to remove the right of reproduction.
I've always wondered what the alternative to this is, as the thought of the state having so much power scares me, however well intentioned that state is.

Leaving market forces in charge of eugenics wouldn't work (letting those who can't afford to live die), as the traits that help people thrive in the marketplace are not necessarily the traits we want to select for.

I guess you could have a non-governmental organisation, like a religious order but instead devoted to improving the population who had the authority to give contraceptives freely to those who exhibit bad traits, but deny it to those who's traits are those we wish to propagate.

> Alt-Right
Strawman-meme, forced by CTR.

> Capitalism
Term of marxist theory for "everything what is bad in the world" (i.e. another strawman). Is not defined anywhere else.

Calling yourself alt-right is as retarded as being any form of capitalist and as retarded as beign nationalistic-Socialist or any other form of socialist.

Real stuff is:
- do you acknowledge market economy?
- do you think, that people should rule themselves or some elite should do it?
It`s that simple.
Other ways have long proven to be propaganda for useful idiots.

I used to consider myself a libertarian with the belief it could only work within our own borders. Now it days it seems so many libertarians are so rabidly open borders I have grown to hate them and the label itself with a passion.

>The Brittish Empire was National Capitalist.
And the British empire was also taken over by bourgeois kikes and destroyed, proving my point.

Anglo empire still exists, it just invented kikes to do their dirty work for them and play all oppressed in action.

I'm pretty sure it was always like that.

I understand the honour and pride that goes into colouring the map red and planting our flag on every bit of land we could, but in the end the British Empire served only to enrich a few members of the very top of society, while forcing many from the bottom to fight and die for it.

I've heard it said that unlike other empires (like those of Rome or Russia) it was more than any other a financial scheme, an 'empire of shopkeepers'.

This is especially important as world becomes nuclear. So you have to be over triple proxy, if you want to do colonialism as anglo does it. With genocides of white popluation, massive starvations, dumbing-down eugenics, etc.

The state should not be a tool to look after anyone.

It should be the same as a Referee.

Its job is not to draft the team or to craft strategy.

Its job is to make the rules be followed. To provide a fair field for all to compete.

>Oh, but it is you who moans when one suggests that your path leads to spiritual death, destruction and decadence.
>SPIRITUAL DEATH

Fucking honestly, do you even check your own words? Do you understand how retarded this sounds?

>Your way led us here, and you're defending a failed experiment.

I would say Hitler taking it all to an extreme and being DEFEATED was the one that led all to move away from Nationalism.

Was it me that led us here or was it your facist shit?

>What would a Brazilian know about greatness? Are you implying that greatness hasn't been achieved under other systems? What you now know as "Capitalism" is fairly new, and what preceded it was new. Under what probably fits your idea of "true capitalism", most people were miserable, working for crumbs and dying of black lung. Then once they finally organized and the abuse didn't fly anymore, they realized it was safer and cheaper to import people who are already used to being miserable as a source of cheap labor.

Capitalism fixed that. Capitalism created abundance. It created the opportunity for all to rise. It created the greatest technological achievements in history. Unlike any other totalitarian state. It was under capitalism that we all came to be as we are.

Do you honestly deny the value of Capitalism itself? Are you mad? Everything you have came from that. I simply say that we must also value our nation as much as we value capitalism.

>any system that allows enterprise equals capitalism
>i don't know anything about economics or political ideology besides shallow surface level rhetoric

????

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ALT-RIGHT

Once again i`ll say this as a point on itself.

When Hitler followed what the Alt-Right`s dream is right now, he was the one to destroy Nationalism for all.

What`s your point? You deny that the western world is a capitalist world because they allow for some welfare?

Not sure why people feel the need to post this every thread.

I, as a single person, will from now on call myself 'alt-right', so now it indisputably exists in some form and you are forever BTFO, and never need to post the same thing ever again - forever,

That was Amerikikes and Britkikes who destroyed nationalism, not Hitler. Mostly Amerikikes after the war. And it was done in furtherance of capitalism in the cold war.

Alt-right is not National Socialism and even National Socialism was far from being a genocidal as you are implying it to be.

Alt-right is a loose collection of ideologies based around the core principle of white nationalism which is that whites should have their own seperate racially-white nations(or specific ethnicities as well in the case of Europe). The rest is debatable.

>>Socialist in nature.
Incorrect, Alt-right people generally don't have any economic policies, most of the people that call themselves alt-right however come from more libertarians roots

>>Believes the state should have the power to remove the right of reproduction.
Once agian Alt-Right has no policy on this. My argument however is that we, as humans, live in a collective of people. Therefore the success and failure thus is determined by the collective as a whole. If you have individuals like single mothers and mentally retarded people using the fruits of the collective's labour to breed uncontrollably and create all kinds of problems with their shit offspring(which is what is happening right now and even encouraged by the state) then that will erode the entire collective and should be prevented by the state through a sterilization if neccesary. It should however be mentioned that if you remove all non-whites from society that such a thing will be extremely rare though.

>>Believes in state sponsored genocide.
We believe in racially seperated(not segregated) nations and that will most likely require us to expel large numbers of people not of the white race. Of course in the off-chance that a race war would happen then they might perish or be expelled as a result of that.

>>Would rather Israel be removed by islam.
(Sunni)Islam is hated about as much as the jews are, probably even more, especially here in Europe so that argument is retarded. But if the Arabs and Kikes wanna battle it out then by all means, go ahead.

cont.....

>all the people in taiwan are replaced by american natives, those american natives will value taiwanese values
top lol m8

No, I'm insisting that the Western world is a capitalist society and that most, if not all of our social woes originate from Capitalism at the root.

Having social welfare policies does not make you a socialist state.

My point is that you are equating any system in which enterprise exists to Capitalism.

Strawman. All of it. You are just as bad as a commie because you run to one extreme without figuring out how to make a functioning society. An Cap is just as much a pipe dream as communism.

youtu.be/CK3ryrI8aXI

We are suffering from an imbalance and this is exacerbated by having a democratic form of government and multiple racial politics fighting over control of the levers of government. The solution is for Balkanization into regional ethno-states and to end universal sufferage, even democratic forms altogether. The other imperative is that the masculine/long term institutions simply must be explicitly defended at all times and allow no room for subversion as we have had happen.

The problem with national capitalism is that it puts money above people. Sell outs happen quickly that way.

See: The Baby Boomers.

This basically.

It is profitable to the elite class to break down national and ethnic identities.

Who benefits from massive third world immigration? Elite Capitalists.

Who benefits from globalized economies? Elite Capitalists.

Who benefits from constant warfare, especially in the Middle East, thereby influencing oil rich nations and keeping up a boom in the arms industry? Elite capitalists.

How about neither.
Libertarianism ftw :3

....cont
>>Believes the state should be able to remove the right of free speech from some.
To allow marxists and jews(basically the same anyway) to rile up the populace is or promote cultural degradation through the media is a sure way to let your nation die. If you can't take that lesson from the last century you're a fucking idiot.

>>Believes in gun control for some.
Point of an ethno-state is to remove the people from society then shouldn't own guns like niggers for example so that would probably not be neccesary. Even Hitler's gun laws targetted almost exclusively jews while loosening on all other regulations.

>>Believes in a singular leader who can make the right decisions in all areas.
That's fucking retarded, not even the nazis did that. Every higher civilization has it's leadership delegate responsibilities to other branches of society. For larger issues it is however useful to have a strongman dictate what decisions are made so there isn't grindlock on important issues(protecting your borders for example, democracies seem to have problems with that)'.

>>State sponsored racism.
There is no racism required in an ethno-state where all citizens are of one race.

>>Integration should be done through murder.
Nigga that's dumb as it can and is almost always done through expulsion, especially when you're dealing with immigrant minorities

>>Borders should be entirely closed.
Entirely is a big word, even if you exclude citizenship to one racial/ethnic group it doesn't exclude other groups from visiting or studying there. There were plenty of Japanese and other non-whites in Nazi Germany as well as other non-German whites like the Dutch-Afrikaner Hendrik Verwoerd president of South-Africa who created the Apartheid laws.

Anyway, your knowledge about the alt-right seems to be based on what a 12 year old learned from about Nazi Germany in high school which is unsuprising considering you're a retarded hue.

I agree with much of this, although I think it's important to make a distinction between capitalism and the marriage of capitalism and state power that we see today.

As an economic system I see no viable alternative to capitalism, even though I would really like to find one (I became a rightist through libertarianism like many others). I think it is also important not to forget that an economic system is just that, an economic system, not the be-all and end-all of running a nation. It is no substitute for real leadership.

Lemme start a little criticising here:
>>Capitalist in nature.
No shit nigga

>>Believes the state should not be able to remove any right.
Too broad a definition, every state removes it's citizen's right to freedom if they commit crime for example, the position is meaningless without specification, unless you want an anarchist state that is.

>>Believes in free market induced racism if it is proven to be real economically.
That's natural, however what happens when you have market induced globalism because corporations want to import cheap labor because it's more economical to them?

>>Believes the state should sponsor in all its endeavors nationalism.
How do you define "nation" and what is and isn't a part of it

>>Doesnt believe in the welfare state.
I can understand, however, you should also understand that grabbing power means having to advocate for some forms of socialism and welfare if you want to appeal to the (white) working class. Trump has done this plenty of times too.

>>Believes the population should use its purchasing power to protest anti-nationalist companies.
What if companies and organizations use their bought media power to obscure or promote their internationalism? Alrdy a problem now with most MSM and companies like Facebook and Twitter

>>Western chauvinist.
Broad dumb term invented by a man who sticks dildos up his arse, race-mixed with some Amerindian woman and French-kissed the gay nigger semen out of Milo's mouth. Specify

>>Would rather Israel survive, than Islamic nations.
Israel is surrounded by enemies and can only survive due to America's foreign policy of destabilizing powerful Arab states. It would require an constant extremely expensive NeoCon foreign policy to secure Israel.

>>Policies should ultimately defend the nation.
Once agian, define the nation

Yes. Economic measures are not the only measures. This is why libertarians and Keynesians create so many externalities and call it capitalism. Our race is property. Our culture is property. Many other things are commonly held property of a people. When companies engage in business that damages or spends down these other forms of societal capital, they do not record that as costs. Thus they can say a transaction added value to the economy. In reality, a common asset was spent or degraded and that cost was not recorded in the transaction, but was still borne by all. Thus, it is parasitic in its nature because it externalizes costs by ignoring that these costs even exist.