Any actual engineers here?

I'm getting increasingly concerned with the state of higher education. It's way worse than when I graduated 5 years ago. Universities are becoming expensive liberal reeducation camps. Students are trading 10+ years of debt for Marxist conversion. I just lost my little brother to this indoctrination. I don't think it's necessary any more, and I'm sure millions of people are starting to agree with me.

I want to perform an experiment. I want to see if I can get a good, practical education equivalent to a B.S in Mechanical Engineering using entirely free resources... one topic (or class) at a time, without stepping foot on a university campus. I might even track my progress through a blog or something. I don't expect to get a job from it, but I have a personal interest in learning the subject.

Can an actual engineer give me a "degree plan" to get started? Just a quick list of important topics and the order I should attempt to learn them? Obviously without (((general education))).

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Where do you want to start? Algebra, physics, calculus?

I think since I got redpilled early I can go to college, filter out all the lefty gender studies shit and get an OK education

Assume high school physics and calculus.

Actual engineer here.

Depends on what specifically you would like to do. If you're trying to go for a general engineering education in Mech Eng then look at universities course listings and research those topics on your own. If you have specific interested then you already know what you want to learn. I'm not a mechanical engineer so I can't really help you on specifics.

Obviously you'll need a very good foundation of math, physics and chemistry. Start there if you have little to no prior education.

Also like you said, don't expect to get a job because you "taught yourself engineering".

You're not going to get "indoctrinated" in engineering classes, idiot. Let me know when they figure out a way to politicize math. I'll give you a legit degree plan and even a list of textbooks if you convince me that this isn't a shitty bait thread.

MIT's entire course catalogue is online for free. It's the practical that might give you issues if you don't have the facilities.

I'd say start out by planning a curriculum. Look Uni's curriculum and go off of that. Most also give what textbooks they use. Then you gotta just combine the resources like internet and good books andI think it would work.

I went to engineering school and it was pretty lefty free. Most engineering professors are conservative that I run into.

Also this. I graduated from a large research university and exactly zero of my engineering classes had any ounce of marxist liberal bullshit sprinkled in. Unfortunately we had to take half a dozen liberal arts classes over 4 years and those were all a waste of time for obvious reasons.

im about to engineer some sperm into some prime vriginin teenage pussay if you catch the meaning im trying to say lol

But yea what they said^^^^^^

Go to a large state university is the South. This will minimalize the amount of cultural marxism that is pushed on you. Schools in states like Alabama and Louisiana can't get away with too much leftism crap. Note that Missouri, despite SEC membership, is not a southern state.

If you are determined to go it alone, go to the website of the School of Engineering and find the course list for the major you're interested in and then find courses on sites like Udemy or Khan Academy that are similar.

>Let me know when they figure out a way to politicize math.
They're already trying it with science. youtube.com/watch?v=VxqfxhsAYYI

>Year 1

Calculus & Algebra 1+2
Physics 1
Programming 1
Intro to mechanics
Intro to electronics

>Year 2

Mechanics 2
Electronics 2
Thermodynamics
Manufacturing

>Year 3

Fluid dynamics
Finite Element Analysis
Composite materials
Something else I can't think of now.

All about the faculty, not the material.

Where colleges excel at is bringing in the (several) actually QUALIFIED professors to help teach a degree (i.e. the tenured professor that is a voting fellow on some professional society will teach you several of your most difficult classes). Colleges pay salary the ass, have complete benefits, have a "prestigious" feel as opposed to an online class or ITT Tech building, and ripe sorostitue pussy alldaylong.

IN ADDITION, wherere some colleges may lack in their Scholarly/Education duties, they doesnt mean they are failing at Research dept. Research is where you will attract a lot of the top-tier professors.

Cant compete.

Engineer here (MechE, 10yrs in)

Without a degree, you'd have to work for small companies without an HR department, and it'll be difficult to convince them you have the required skills. Most important is successfully completed design projects (actually doing whatever you're trying to get hired to do, and doing it well).

What you propose has been done, check out MIT open courseware. It's a full set of lectures / materials.

It's really easy to be in denial about one's rate of progress. A problem is accreditation...Most self-taught people are stupid cranks who are both arrogant and incompetent.

But your problem is redpilling your brother. Do you mean he's studying a meme degree now? Or going into debt? Or fucking a black?

Why is that Tranny upset?

It's the retarded teachers in Uni. Every teacher I have right now is a super liberal idiot who make fun of trump every 5 minutes.

Not an engineering major, but close to it. Focus on math above all else, take summer and/or night classes on top of your regular scheduele for a year and you can breeze by after that.

I'm majoring in mathematical physics, my nonlinear calculus professor is more or less handing me a 100% in the class because I'm the only female.

The whole "women are discriminated in STEM" meme is fucking great.

WE WUZ PYTHAGORAS N' SHIEEEET

show tits

turn the pyramid into a basketball and its golden

>tfw too smart for engineering and computer science

Guess it's the NEET life for me...

>I'm the only female.

really rings the ol' jing-tingler

He's changed degree three times now, each one memeier than the last.

A big reason I'm doing this is to inspire him. I don't want him to spend 6 years and $90,000 just to end up with a business admin degree from his state school when he used to be a computer science major. I know him well and nothing inspires him more than being in my shadow.

Sage this slide thread

I've heard a nig rant about blacks inventing algebra before.

Here's a hypothesis for your experiment. What you're overlooking is that the debt and brainwashing are the aspects of education that HR departments value primarily. Do you think they want to invest in someone who has the critical thought and means necessary to just walk out? Lemme put it this way, when people say:
>Your degree doesn't have to be in EXACTLY the same field an employer is looking for, they just want evidence you can finish something you've committed to :)
what they mean is:
>If you can be socially engineered to fear your own shadow and wrack up enough debt to effectively be in bondage, I'm sure someone will appreciate your bid for indentured servitude :)
Freedom is a liability for employers. Education is mortgaging your future to buy into a career.

Engineering classes don't usually contain this bullshit. But I also took a foreign language instead of general education, so I got to avoid most liberal indoctrination bullshit.

Too bad it's a dead language now. Thanks, Merkel!

You can't inspire someone to do something if they don't know what to do with their life. Leave him alone and let him make the decisions he wants.

t. someone who changed majors 4 times

The most money can be found in mechanical engineering with good proficiency in programming.
Actually no matter what type of engineering you do, always program on the side.

>need to complete a degree to get a career of value
>university is a complete fucking joke with shit coursework, lecturers and assignments
>even my science degree is being filled with forced libtard bullshit (thankfully my based chink lecturer said global warming wasnt real so it wasnt as bad as it could have been)
How the fuck am I supposed to continue with this shit, I hate the fact that I'm blowing all this money on a joke of a curriculum where I can unironically write a fucking poem for an assignment without any sources and get a fucking Distinction.

Yeah from what I hear its only the shity degrees that's full of leftist retards

>I want to see if I can get a good, practical education equivalent to a B.S in Mechanical Engineering using entirely free resources
for first year\some second year stuff you have excellent free resources online .
but honestly the best way to study alone is from books if you're willing to pirate that shit off libgen.you can finish a semester course in 2 weeks of dedicated focused study alone and its easy to refresh your memory later since you already know the book.

>Universities are becoming expensive liberal reeducation camps
US got too far ahead in academics and all the liberal stuff is to slow it down. honestly i've never encountered anything remotely related to politics on an israeli uni campus and americans usually say engineering\science\math faculties are mostly still free of this filth but probably not for long.

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Engineer here (Msc in Electrical Engineer, specialized in RF communications and high speed IC design)

It's possible, but VERY hard, depending on the major you want. As you said, a study plan, containing relevant courses, curriculum and books for said courses, is a great way to begin. It's definitely doable, but I'll bet it's gonna be extremely difficult.

Not that normal engineering majors aren't difficult, it's just that the study groups and professors are absolutely great for getting the hard parts to stick.

I'd advice you to focus on "from idea to product" projects more than anything, as the real learning lies in actually realizing your thoughts into functional and physical constructions.

Systems engineering for year 3? That was big for me and tied mechanical and electrical together.

Mech e, graduating next semester.
There is no ideology in engineering education, it can't survive cuz all the nig nogs flunk out. When u finally get around to those gen eds u will be a rational logic machine to the extent that lib shit sociology professors won't even bother trying to brainwash you. Idk about everyone but I couldn't have gotten this good on my own, teachers can push you really hard to learn things you otherwise would have given up on. Start with community college for 101s and ace them, then transfer to state school and study ur ass off. Eng degrees are worth a lot for a reason. There difficult as fuck to get.

colleges are right about the time when you and all your peers get treated as adults.

totally normal that your bro is retarded and already fuckin up his prospects. natutal selection or whatever you wanna call it. dont fight it cause he isnt, its natural as fuck. not everyone is high-class material

There is a lot of real world application you should be doing along with the classes, which is something colleges can provide. There is no substitute for a full machine shop or materials lab when you're actually designing something.

He's being corrupted by his ultra liberal girlfriend and coworkers. He's still tied to the tech industry, but every degree change keeps shifting towards management, communication other easy stuff. He's smart, but he's a lazy fuck and I know he's only doing it because it's easy.

Fuck off I've been responding all thread.

Your brother is one pathetic cuck, unlike mine. My little brother graduated from a notoriously SJW/Marxist school a couple of years ago with a degree in one of the social sciences and was totally immune to that bullshit.

Funny enough, he was the one who introduced me to Sup Forums in the first place.

I'll do ya one better.

MUH SPACESHIPS N SHIET

Sounds like me except I'm a schizo so I don't really have the option of being able to invest in a social career like that. Sometimes I think about killing myself or just walking down a road until I collapse from exhaustion.

Why not just do community college? I assume they don't have mandatory humanities / indoctrination?

Mechanical engineering is often about ticking the boxes, not just about being able to do the job. The accredited college diploma just being one of them.

I don't need the paper. It's for personal fulfillment. I like designing and making things.

Yes they do, the STEM department is still full of bullshit, even if it's less. One of my professors ranted about Trump after the election for a solid half hour.

Physics grad here.

If you go to a good school your exposure to this shit is non-existent. People just don't have fucking time to waste making posters or whatever when they're trying to learn difficult shit.

If you're just interested in learning things in your spare time, I'm assuming physics and engineering have close to the same fundamentals; your starting point will be basic calc - differentiation and integration - alongside this, basic vector stuff and basic linear algebra, then moving onto multivariable calculus and vector calculus and building from there. The maths shit is fundamental; you can't do anything else without it.

This book is a good starting point:

>amazon.com/Fundamentals-University-Mathematics-Woodhead-Publishing/dp/0857092235/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483995959&sr=8-1&keywords=Fundamentals of University Mathematics

Covers the fundamentals taught at Glasgow Uni in the UK.

Please be my ai gf

Departments I should say.

Chemical Engineer here, what u want OP?

I would agree with that, it just depends how much of a mech engn they want to be.

I'm completing my last semester now (mech engn) and have found that while I have specialised, I can do shit outside my major. Engineering is more about learning how to figure shit out, where to find data tables, ect, than being able to memorise shit.

As such, a good mech engn shouldnt be out of their depth when faced with a problem that contains electronics.

Its not the stem classes but the humanities reqs that get em. They are still gonna get some socialist brainwashing, the big unis make sure of it.

>not doing linear algebra at a community college while in high school (secondary school in the UK?)
It's almost like you don't have an autistic love for math.

While this may fly for non-stem fields, an employer is always going to pick someone with the closest matching degree if its entry level over someone who is less of a match. Its really difficult for physicists to get a position slotted for an engineer if they have real engineers applying for it too. But its not unheard of.

First year with 3.6/4.0 at an 'meh' tier engineering school.

What GPA should I aim to get in order to be considered for good engineering jobs?

Computer major.

german student here (mechanical engineering with specialization in productive engineering)
im in my last year of getting my diplom, actually writing my last exams in ~ 1 month. i do know that there are books that cover the whole basics of mechanical engineering, which would be the first two years for me, im gonna assume that something like this also exists on english. so you would be able to cover the basics, if you understand them without help. also search for lectures on youtube, a german professor has all the math lectures you need uploaded there and for the beginning of math try khans academy, it really helps.
for the actual fun and interesting part you would need to find a field you want to specialize in and again there are plenty of books (in german).
no idea what people learn doing a bachelor but from what i've seen and heard i would never ever advise someone to only do a bachelor in mechanical engineering, you end up knowing the basics and nothing beyond.

Actual first year mechanical engineering student here:

To start, you'll need a whole lot of calculus, differential and integral. Physics: motion in 1,2 and 3 dimensions, trusses, static equilibrium, electricity, magnetism, waves etc. You'll need basic chemistry and materials science. Linear algebra, vectors, matrices, determinants, that sort of stuff. You'll also need some computer programming, probably java or c++ or something like that. Become familiar with object oriented programming. Also DEFINITELY take a look at the ethics of engineering. The theories of ethics, morals, and how to make an ethical decision. Some universities don't do too much of this, but they should. I also take this course thats like geography but more sciencey. Take a look at the book "The good earth" its not free, but it should give you an idea of the content that needs to be covered, so you can find a free resource. That basically covers first year. Second year is multi variable calculus, and some stuff like hydraulics, fluid dynamics, maybe some more programming, CAD stuff and more. Definitely learn solidworks. I dont know too much about the second year stuff or beyond, but that should get you started.

Good luck poorfag.

Civil engineer here;

Yes, you can get a great education simply from reading the books and generally speaking I taught myself through college.

Algebra is the first place to start, then trig, then calculus, especially derivations and integration math. Then from MY MAJOR physics was literally the most important for structural and design stuffs.

Physics is basically all you will be focusing on from that point. Dynamics, materials, etc all stems from simply understanding physics. I will say however engineering physics =/= physics "physics".

That being said, "good" engineering schools WILL NOT expose you to this bullshit. I went to texas a&m (the place where richard spencer spoke recently :D) and basically I have friends that are literally borderline white supremacists from small towns who are quite brilliant.

A good engineering school will have some degree of self awareness. Dont be afraid OP. The pozz has infected a good deal of places just do your homework beforehand.

If you have any desire to enter college at this juncture, you will achieve nothing in life. All your mindset shows me is you are not intelligent enough to do what's best for you, IE study on your own.

You are a massive failure and will ALWAYS depend on the state. It's in your nature. Your day to day habit sculpt your character, abd your day to day is being an oblivious pozzed cuckold who can't make his own decisions.

Does mommy dress you? Because I bet you'd look better than if you attempted it on your own.

This sounds mean, but it's 100% the truth. You are worthless. Change.

I went to school for accounting. I didn't get much indoctrination in that.

Stop meming, faggot

>Most important is successfully completed design projects (actually doing whatever you're trying to get hired to do, and doing it well).

This guy knows what he's talking about. The math, physics and whatever else are generally assumed knowledge by the employer. What they really care about is your ability to apply that to design situations in industry, and your ability to communicate your findings/be professional/understand the business context on top of the fundamentals.

The no degree situation is unique in that you're going to have some trouble convincing them youre able to do much of anything. A degree is the equivalent of a bunch of people signing off and saying they've seen your work and found it passable. I'm not sure how engineering works in the US, are there any liability concerns for a company that has someone withour a degree doing work? In Canada the engineering profession is protected, and you'd have trouble just from that alone.

Says the shitposter

I am dead fucking serious. College is a cock carosel for women, and a playpen for niggers poos and chinks.

What the fuck are you thinking? Why do you think a system that broke 30 years ago still has value?

I'll answer that: because you're a failure who relies on the government tit.

What do you want from college? Be honest... a job? Kek. You aren't getting one of those, and you are CERTAINLY not getting an education.

Somebody fail out of college :(

Actually there are a lot of positions that REQUIRE a degree.... I have plenty of experience and am pretty damn good at my job, but to go further I have to get a fucking peice of paper so I'm going to get one.... and the job is paying for it. Get fucked, cheers

>I want to perform an experiment. I want to see if I can get a good, practical education equivalent to a B.S in Mechanical Engineering using entirely free resources.
Of course this must be possible since engineering itself was bootstrapped throughout history. The question (which you've answered yourself) is whether it is worth the effort.

I'm an EE so I can't help you too much with MechE but I'd say it's possible to become an EE without official training in terms of technical competence, but it is quite unlikely.

The bulkwork of engineering—MechE or EE or I'm sure any other kind as well—is detail work. It's not the cool "I have an idea and I'm going to realize it," that's like 10% of the work that goes into a project. 10% may even be generous. (Which is likely why amateur game dev generals always laugh at "idea guy"s.) The real fucking hard work of engineering isn't solving some dastardly equation to balance fifteen competing interests in some remarkably clever way—you'd do this for free, it's fun—it is the bullshit work of checking all your tolerances and parts and compatibilities and regulations and bills of material and part lifetimes and assembly drawings and manuals and...

If any job were fun they wouldn't have to pay you to do it. All of the fun part of engineering is something any engineer would do for free in their spare time.

I don't think you could ACTUALLY do it for free. You'd have to buy some reference materials, there's really no way around this, and you're going to want to drop cash on a CAD package and they are not cheap (no, free shit doesn't count, free programs are simply not up to par, sorry). But with a relatively small investment ($5k), sufficient motivation (and going 80+k in debt by the usual route is a pretty solid motivator when you think about it), diligence, and time, you could totally do it.

True enough if we're comparing two university graduates, but if OP educated himself on all the finer points of a specific job (lets say engineering to use your example), I'm saying he would lose out to that institutionally educated physicist because the latter 1.) Will be socially indoctrinated, and 2.) Lack the financial stability to pursue something else if the job happens to be terrible.

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We got baited.


REEEEEEEE!

Texas A&M is affordable, redpilled, arguably tops in the nation for engineer job prospects, and has a rabidly loyal alumni network.

t. Aggie

>first year
Still cares about ethics, Fuk off Leef

I'm not leaching off the government at all. I have zero student debt because I work 40 hours a week on top of school. I even have a few grand in the bank and another few in an index fund that my (rich) dad runs.

I want to learn as much as possible about math and physics as possible, that's it. Afterwards, grad school, then a good job that I can work while still being a decent parent in the future; field I want to enter has an inherently flexible scheduele.

I have my ee and graduating ring, nigga.

I'm interested in learning a trade (Electrician) as an alternative to my desk job (software)

Unfortunately, what I learned is that much more of the effort to get certified involves meeting state union requirements and a bunch of (mostly) bullshit.

So anyways, I gave up on the idea of doing this as an optional career. Working as a real engineer without certification is probably even more far-fetched (for both good and bad reasons as a couple pointed out)

But you could of course study the topic (free MIT classes, etc.) and make some cool stuff. Maybe even make something useful and make a fortune for yourself. Study up a bit on patent law too! Realize your one advantage will be that you learned "outside the box" and may have unconventional approaches to problem. Most often they will be wrong but maybe you'll have a real invention at some point :)

for something like electrical engineering, thats practically impossible because you need the hands on and lab experience otherwise you will only be familar with the theory and have knowledge of the practical applications

If you can pass the EIT / FE exam you might be able to convince an employer to hire you.

What GPA or average mark should I aim for from a 'meh' tier Uni for engineering?

4.0

>80+k in debt by the usual route
>mfw i only paid ~2.5k € for 5 years

Speed through it to save as much money as possible, get A's in your real classes and get C's in your fake "gen ed" classes, as no real engy employer will give a fuck about shit grades in non-classes.

>tfw I got near straight A's through college in shit like Fluid Dynamics, Mechanics of Materials, Calculus, etc because I actually cared, and got C-'s in shit like African American Studies and Philosophical Sensitivity because I literally couldn't give a fuck less about non-academics.

I had a 3.3 GPA and when employers would just skip gen ed crap they would see a 3.8ish GPA.

In the US, you keep a lot more of your paychecks, debtfags are just too lazy to work on top of school.

There's not much to be concerned about. This is a problem that the free market will take care of in due course, there's just going to be a bit of fallout on the way.

With the internet providing easy access to the information all we really need for cheap education is places that are willing to do accreditation for cheap, which is something fairly easy to provide.

I've watched degree level physics online with the TheoreticalMinimum courses free by Susskind, all the lectures are online and on youtube. Tens of thousands of views. Bought the corresponding books for like £6 a pop.

Watching all the lectures by Jordan Peterson online right now and learning some psychology and about personality traits.

Considering I went into the workplace after dropping out of 2nd year of Electronic Engineering and was a Director by age 32, it's pretty good evidence that if you're smart and you're motivated you can get enough of an education online and through free resources, if you're motivated to learn and use them to their potential.

Capitalism doesn't care for your accreditation, only to the degree that it makes it more likely you're appropriate for the job. Once you've had more than about 5 years in any profession, no one asks for degrees anymore, the experience is more valuable.

This whole ship will right itself again before long, as long as capitalism drives the economy (for the most part)

Basically all I got from you was "I want as much as I can get with little effort as possible." The world doesn't work that way. Besides, I graduated with a bachelors in engineering and my school didn't tolerate any of that snowflake shit. Thats how the majority of schools are, its just the liberal arts students that ruin it for everyone.

Software Engineer checking in. (not to be confused with real engineer)
Didn't go to college so feeling pretty good.

I have no idea, I have a 3.4 GPA at a top tier engineering school and can't get a company to even look at me.

you have to deal with such bullshit classes?
i had to take some extra classes but there were always interesting ones, like technologies in the food industry, space travel, welding materials,...
if you didnt want to take stupid classes you had plenty of stuff to chose from to avoid it.

As an engineer I can say stay out of mechanical or civil. Overworked and shit pay. If you want money go do chemical or ekectrical. If you want to NOT live in the middle of nowhere and make good money do electrical. If you want to ensure employment in a field that cannot leave America specialize electrical in power engineering. Graduated 2 years ago and I now make a little above $85k as a substation designer. Going to break $100k when I get my PE certification and senior level cleared.

Petroleum Engineer here. As much as college was interesting, you could totally learn everything I was taught in school for math, physics and geology using the internet/youtube. For the actual oil and gas stuff, finding stuff on Google is tough but if you buy a bunch of books from the SPE (Society of Petroleum Engineers) website they explain every just as well as I learned it.I'm sure ME stuff is much more abundant online tho.

Well don't do a shit degree and you won't have to deal with indoctrination from the libtards.

Same here, the engineering/science classes never had liberal crap in them. And honestly, not many of my gen ed classes did either.

What type of engineer? Civil? Mechanical? Electrical? Petroleum? Need more info OP. Actual engineer here. I can recommend you some books and other resources but definitely going to need more information. You also need to know what subsection you plan on tackling on these majors. For example, Mechanical can do HVAC, Composites/Plastics, and controls. You need a focus on one of these and then we can go from there.

i am a civil engineer but idk if eastern European education is similar to the one in the states.

Student Advisor here.

look at the course outlines for each course and find the textbooks used. download them from libgen.org and you're set to go.

Not a valid link

To get into any real engineering school you need to have taken Calculus, university physics (not college/intro physics), and depending on the school, their "orientation" type classes that introduce whatever engineering type you're going into. So best thing if you have none of those is to go to a cheap community college and finish those per-requisite classes then transfer to a state or private college. Before I could get into my engineering department, I had to have up to calc II, gen chem 1 & II, and uni physics I & II all with a GPA of at least 2.75, then maintain a 3.0 GPA to stay at engineering standard to graduate.

That's just what I had to go through to get into my school's engineering program. If you want real answers with the school you're thinking about, you can always pay them a visit to get better info.

Also this. The most you have to experience with liberal shit-tards are when you have to take your general education, here in KY I finished my gen ed shit at a community college so it transferred to all the schools in the state. When I got to Uni, all I had left were actual major classes.

>libgen.org
my bad, try gen.lib.rus.ec/

Looks good