Communism general

Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.

Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:

>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.

>Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

>To acheive such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

ML uses a philosophy called dialectical materialism, see here:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

It is reccomended that you read some of the critical works of Marxism-Leninism so you can make an informed assessment of the ideology.

Resources:

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/sw/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/sw/

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/decades-index.htm

marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/

marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

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I'm all for some christian communism
but this marxist atheist shit wont fly

Oh look, the autistic spic is back. Which one are you Pablo?

But why be a communist when you can be a glorious fascist instead? It solves all the problems communism seeks to solve, but it actually utilizes human nature instead of ignoring it or fighting against it.

Yeah, no. Christianity is incompatible with communism.

When christians give up capital

come to the live chat

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this fucking shit again

how do cumlords address nozicks criticism that the labor theory of value doesnt clearly define "socially nec."

Over the last century, capitalism has repeatedly revealed its worst tendencies: instability and inequality. Instances of instability include the Great Depression (1929-1941) and the Great Recession since 2008, plus eleven "downturns" in the US between those two global collapses. Each time, millions lost jobs, misery soared, poverty worsened and massive resources were wasted. Leaders promised that their "reforms" would prevent such instability from recurring. Those promises were not kept. Reforms did not work or did not endure. The system was, and remains, the problem.

Inequality likewise proved to be an inherent trend of capitalism. Only occasionally and temporarily did opposition from its victims stop or reverse it. Income and wealth inequalities have worsened in almost every capitalist country since at least the 1970s. Today we have returned to the huge 19th-century-sized gaps between the richest 1 percent and everyone else. Rescuing the "disappearing middle class" has become every aspiring politician's slogan. Extreme inequality infects all of society as corporations and the rich, to protect their positions, buy the politicians, mass media and other cultural forms that are for sale.

Capitalism in Western Europe, North America and Japan -- its original centers -- has boosted profits in four basic ways since the 1970s. First, it computerized and robotized, not to lessen everyone's work time, but instead to raise profits by reducing payrolls. Second, it exploited low-wage immigrant labor to offset wage increases won by years of labor struggles. Third, it moved production to lower-wage countries such as China, India, Brazil and others. Fourth, it divided and weakened the labor unions, political party groups and other organizations that pursued labor's interests. As a result, inside nearly every country of the global capitalist system, the rich-poor divide deepened.

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OP, yesterday.

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I concur. Clearly fascism is the only way forward.

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The Gulag Archipelago (Russian: Apхипeлaг ГУЛAГ, Arkhipelag GULAG) is a book by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn about the Soviet forced labor camp system. The three-volume book is a narrative relying on eyewitness testimony and primary research material, as well as the author's own experiences as a prisoner in a gulag labor camp. Written between 1958 and 1968, it was published in the West in 1973 and, thereafter, circulated in samizdat (underground publication) form in the Soviet Union until its appearance in the Russian literary journal, Novy Mir, in 1989, in which a third of the work was published over three issues

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But why be facist when you can be a Shitpostist? Everything is done ironically, so there will be no crime :^)

Sage

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he Great Depression provoked economic "reforms," such as FDR's New Deal. These included regulations restricting risky bank and other market practices. Reforming governments also established public pensions, unemployment insurance, public employment systems, minimum wages, monetary and fiscal policies, and so on. Advocates believed that such reforms would end the 1930s depression and prevent future depressions. They dismissed critics who diagnosed depressions as systemic and prescribed system change (or "revolution") as the necessary solution. "Reform versus revolution" was then a hot debate.

In the US, the reformers defeated the revolutionaries as preparation for war -- and then war itself -- finally ended the Great Depression. As capitalism rebounded after 1945, capitalists increasingly evaded the Depression-era reforms, using their growing wealth to buy the political influence needed to gut many reforms. Later, Reagan led the frontal assault, repackaged as "globalization" and "neoliberalism" to undo the New Deal. When that rollback of reforms culminated in the 2008 crash, it exposed capitalism's instability and inequality yet again.

Ya know, once automation becomes more widespread, fascism is gonna be the only sensible ideology left to espouse.

Niggers gonna nig!!

Eat shit and die, you fucking faggot

Hi comrade

Communism goes against human nature. You cannot expect someone to want to achieve a more productive future as a doctor or scientist when the factory worker is being paid the same. Communism never removes the state, they just become an authoritarian state themselves.

Let's not forget that communism, being stateless, is almost completely helpless against ideologies that embrace hierarchy and nations, and thus militaries. A communist society could never properly defend itself against a fascist nation.

read www.socialism101.com and then gulag yourself. They aren't paid the same.

Communism won't be achieved until worldwide socialism has been going on for a couple hundred years. There will be no fascist nations.

Indeed.

And when some people decide they want to revive their old nation and bring back hierarchy? What are you gonna do? They are doing this voluntarily after all.

Then it goes completely against marx's own teachings. But the left loves to divide itself into a thousand different sub groups, so I'm sure one of those groups doesn't want all jobs paid the same.

A stateless society (the end goal of communism as defined by Karl Marx) is impossible to achieve because humans naturally follow a leader and a hierarchy. No ideology can take mother nature's group instincts out of us.

Communism has never and will never work, no matter how many people you kill and how many revolutions occur.

This

Why don't you want to go back to feudalism?

You get paid according to the value you produce. Have you ever read Marx? are you retarded?

Jason Unruhe calls for Chicago dindus to be put to death.
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This....makes total sense.

>that pic

Back from my ban.

As technology and culture has progressed we've moved past having to determine leaders through blood. While feudalism would still be better than communism, it's not as advanced of an ideology as fascism is, and it won't adapt to new technology as well as fascism would.

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"worldwide socialism" AKA imposing an eternal worldwide dictatorship that harshly silences any opposition while sending hundreds of millions to their deaths. And what makes you think that socialist leaders will so easily give up power to usher the world into your utopia? Never gonna happen.
There is no difference between communism and a dictatorship.

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>A stateless society (the end goal of communism as defined by Karl Marx) is impossible to achieve because humans naturally follow a leader and a hierarchy. No ideology can take mother nature's group instincts out of us.

We don't appose all leaders. Only unjustified ones. On the matter of shoes I might realize the shoe maker knows better than me and submit to his authority. That's natural. What humans don't naturally do is be dominated by rulers.

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"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Good gravy, no wonder commies are such idiots, they can't even take the time to read their own books!

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When your born into communism and have never seen fascism or capitalism I'm sure you'll think "man! I'd like to be dominated by a dictator!"

Keep em coming

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Socialism is the democratization of the market. Why would we want a dictatorship? Stalin is the one who started the dictatorship thing and he's a traitor to everything socialism stands for.

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Pinochet strikes fear into the hearts of commies.

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You get what you need if you contribute something. If you sit on your ass and do nothing no one is going to give you anything until post scarcity has been achieved.

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Every socialist/communist leader acted like a dictator. Name one leader (who ruled a country, not a shitty commune) who didn't wield absolute power and acted like a despot toward his people.

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See, this is why everyone laughs at you guys. Your only hope for your ideology to succeed is to take over the whole world (which you already tried and failed to do) and then wait a COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS for that pesky "human nature" to go away. When it fails? Oh, that's just because of capitalism/not enough time/sabatage.

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this threads should be banned like MLP

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Tito in yugoslavia.

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Get the gas

I agree.

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Communism won't work unless its world wide. Socialism can work in one country. Socialism is the next stepping stone to communism.Read some theory before you post.

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No two fascist nations have ever gone to war with each other.

Food for thought.

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Socialism has never worked in a country either, so you're not exactly off to a good start.

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Yes because the soviet union was never a massive world power almost beating the USA.That never happened.

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>soviet union
>country that collapsed in on itself
>killed millions of its own people through starvation
>waiting in extremely long lines for loafs of bread
>somehow considered a socialist success
Uh huh...

I feel like your actually pro-communism but hiding it by bumping the thread with anti-communism memes. If so thanks comrade.

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*Saging it

The same regime that killed in cold blood some 500,000 people, mainly "collaborators," "anti-communists," rival guerrillas, Ustashi, and critics. And after the war it probably killed even more people.
Source: Statistics Of Yugoslavia's Democide
Estimates, Calculations, And Sources* By R.J. Rummel"

Or who had a 'murder squad' kill croats in other countries who opposed his regime?
youtube.com/watch?v=Io-DWcAhcCk

Doesn't sound like another genocidal communist maniac to me.