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Why people don't understand they are slave ?
Why all of them love and live for money ?
Fuck capitalism we have to change the world.

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>you are slaves! here- wear these shackles and break rocks in my..err..I mean YOUR quarry!

ahah you are a slave too men, money is your owner.

Just because you are too stupid and weak willed to succeed in a capitalist system doesn't mean I am, Muhammad.

That is the punishment for counterrevolution.
people are sheeple.
Only a vanguard can lead and teach them to be free.
The Soviet Union fucked up because they did not teach the masses how to practice power and did not give them a sense of autonomy. Same goes for China.

It is difficult to teach people that they are free and don't need a ruler.

Also reaching communism means doing away with non-labor based currency.

But more importantly with the concept that the means of production are controlled by a non-worker. If some party bureaucrat walks into a factory and says
>sorry comrades Soviet Union is cancelled, we sold this factory to a private investor pack your shit and get out
The workers should just keep on doing as always, because the bureaucrat and private investor have no power, and the local police and army is made of worker's militia. So the workers hold all the power.

Money can be exchanged for goods and/or services.

Gas yourself kike.

>The Soviet Union fucked up because they did not teach the masses how to practice power and did not give them a sense of autonomy. Same goes for China.

Right, that's why they fucked up. Not because of the widespread famine that killed tens of millions and the political repression that killed millions more. Fucking idiot.

They fucked up because Soviet union was not realy marxism. They was capitalist at least. And because of them world fear marxism. And think only capitalism work. But capitalist ONLY work if people suffer from it. Like African, China, and even homeless people.

>money = willpower and intelligence
lol, grow the fuck up kid. Get in the real world and you will see money is not distributed meritocratically.

>If I spend my youth busting my ass and digging myself out of poverty I might one day have half the money a trust fund baby was born with.

The trust fund kiddies play, while you work and grind it out in poverty. if this does not upset you, you are a cuck.

>let's demand socialism while living under the capitalism privileges
Kys kike

fuck marx

But capitalism has concepts like, free enterprise, private property, and being able to start your own business. I like that

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Posting the wrong communist god could land you in the gulag.

Fuck your neet religion cultist.

Marxism has concepts like free enterprise, being able to start your business with everyone who make this business come true. And give the money to everyone who work in it. And not give all the profit to one guy who touch itself all the day

>population growth
>gorillians of deaths
Choose one

>Strictly control food stores to be used to relieve worst struck areas.
>7 million dead Ukrainians from starvation

I love how you people mock the nazi's on this board for holocaust denial but then you come around here with this revisionist bullshit,

if only we could have a system that combines those with human values (fuck SJW; they are just spoiled children)

But if I start a successful business, I should have a choice about what I do with MY companies profits

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Stop use Stalin and URSS or other "communism" country pls ! NO ONE WAS MARXISM ALL OF THEM ARE JUST DICTATURE WHO LIE ABOUT FREEDOM.

You probably unironically worship a zombie Jew

You're not going to change it by weaponizing lazy plebs, because that's exactly all Communism was invented to do.

People say it has a perfect track record of 'failure' when in truth its been perfectly successful at wrecking any culture.

that stupid. Why this business is YOUR ? except if you make all the profit alone. If u don't profit is for everyone who made it. That so simple. Capitalist destroy your brain and make u selfish.

Labor theory of VALUE
not labor theory of COST/PRICE

seems you don't have the sufficient braincells to understand subtle differences

Your retarded system collapses but its OK cos it wasn't real communism so you try again, but
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>Capitalist countries have to build walls to keep people out.
>Communist countries have to build walls to keep people in
>People in capitalist countries own what they produce
>People in communist countries dont what they produce
>Homeless people in capitalist countries still manage to get fat
>Workers in communist countries still manage to starve

Capitalism is evil WAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

>not understanding that prices shift based on how much people value things

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>They fucked up because Soviet union was not realy marxism.
Hahaha everytime

fuck off, eu shill

Show me the workers who got to own the factories when communism ended.

Show me who got all the property too.

fpbp

name a single Marxist country which isn't a third world shithole. People love power too much to give it up after a revolution.

yes everytime because that the only argument from capitalist.

No it's not stupid, if I start a business from scratch, I'm the owner, I work hard to make it successful. Then why the fuck shouldn't I profit from that? Yeah if I hire other people then I want them to be paid well, but if I'm the fucking OWNER then your damn right I will be the main beneficiary

Let me explain it to you, a thing has value because it has labor in it. Marx never said hours of labor translates directly into cost. He himself made it clear it is the labor theory of value, not price. Marx said price was determined by market fluctuations and other things. If you actually took the time to know what the fuck you are talking about you would know this.

who the fuck is a capitalist ?
where do you draw the line between a capitalist and a welfare queen ?

The soviets were run bolshevik jews. Fuck off with this "they weren't Marxists" propaganda shill.

no. if that offends you, you are an envious covetous ass. someone down the line of that trust fund baby earned that money and he or she was free to use it to spoil their kids and grandkids. Stop being jealous. the only time you should look at your neighbor's possesions is to see if he has enough not to be upset cuz he has more.

efficiency works out better for everyone, except maybe the top 1%

socialist retards have nothing but a history of failure.

Money can't put a gun to my head and force me to do anything. Only other people can. Our fellow man is our true enemy

No, thats the only argument from commies.
>B-b-but it wasnt real socialism!
Listen matey, communism is fucking retarded both socially and economically, give me one example of communism working. Oh thats right, there arent any.

Money put a gun to you everyday when you're going to work because if u don't you are homeless and if you are homeless you'll die

Your exemple is like if i'm THE FIRST WALL of this house this house is mine. But without the other wall you are just a wall and not a house. So every wall deserve the same profit from the house they made TOGETHER. Selfish little human

Exactly, because you invested your own capital in the first place, so that is yours. People advocating communism are literally after gibmedats and that is it.

>autistic marxist screeching

Get a job neet

nice analysis, what's your solution, birdbrain ?

distinction without a difference when the main point of contention is the PRICE the laborer recieves for his labor. Marxys say the worker deserves more because the capitalist sells the product of the workers labor for a higher PRICE than he pays the laborer to produce it.

See>B-b-but I want want want want your stuff!!! NO YOU'RE SELFISH!!!

It's nothing like that, if I invested the initial capital, and I'm the founder and owner of the business then you're fucking right it's mine, I don't know why this is so hard to understand

I guess there's no mass starvation in Africa, either.

You're so clearly brainwashed it's embarrassing.

well no one want your stuff bro. You wanted to hire to get more profit for yourself. The guy you hire can do a business with 10 more guys where everyone get the same amount of money and surprise all of them win more than u...

>Germany

Grow the hell up.
You think money is earned?
You don't think dirty deals, shady shit, and worker exploitation are real?

Boy, the world is gonna fuck your naive little ass up.

Fuck the wealthy, call me covetous or entitled for believing all able-bodied people should work for the common good and earn their keep. For seeing something wrong with a system that does not compel man to give up his excess to save a child who is in need.

If exploitation is a-okay in your book, be honest about. Say that might is right. But don't bitch about injustice when it is the workers who hold the might.

do you at least agree borders are important, or are you some leech parasite ?

Hes a commie therefore retarded so dont expect a lot from him.

stealing from people is the bases of communism

Commies take us from being wage slaves to being actual slaves. I have a better idea.

>when liberals are too lay to own a dictionary.
>Slave
>a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
Communism/Socialism are literally slave societies.

the owner isnt simply the first guy. the owner incurrs the risk alone. if he doesnt make any money he still owes his workers what he agreed to pay them. most workers would rather take the guaranteed paycheck than share in the risk of the business owner. and if workers DO wanna do that, there is nothing in capitalism preventing you and a group of people from doing business in that model.

stealing from capitalist stealer who win more money than 1000++ people by doing nothing? I call that justice

Marx never prescribe higher wages as the solution. Marx identifies the problem as private ownership of the means of production.

You are trying to transform Marx from someone with revolutionary intentions "overthrow the system" to a centre-right politician "maybe the employers should raise wages"

>>a person who (is the legal property of another and ) is forced to obey
well that why every worker do every day...

>You don't think dirty deals, shady shit, and worker exploitation are real
You think this doesnt happen in communist countries? In commie countries where you can only earn a maximum wage, in order to get more you are literally left with no other choice but theft and corruption. Don't tell me that communist countries are less corrupt than capitalist ones because this is historucally not true.

Workers never hold the might. They also suffered much more under communism in the end. Too much ideology involved for it not to be repressive.

>by doing nothing
Oh god commies are hilarious
How about you take a business class for an exploratory course in your cuck college.

>Oh sh-shit, d-d-don't think about c-collectivizing th-the mines, you'll b-be a slave!

You're right britbro, no one with proper cognitive skills would advocate taking away the freedoms of men

Did you forget your medication today, waffle?

>muh risk
It is easy for a billionaire to """"""risk""""""" a million on his son's college roommate's idea.

It is not so easy for a middle class person to even raise that much money. And if they did then they would be risking most of their life savings.

financial """"""risk"""""""" for the wealthy =/= financial risk for the average person.

>by doing nothing?
This isnt actually true though is it. They are the ones that took a risk by investing their capital to create the jobs in the first place, you ungrateful cunt.

Don't care

fuck the belgian guy totally destroyed you

dont be ultra emotional about it its not my fault you're poor.

also dont assume i think this system is perfect or thar exploitation doesnt exist mr.strawman. capitalism has got problems but just like the genius marx himself, your descriptions are fairly accurate, while your prescriptions are shit.

so far capitalism has had the best results in getting the most people out of poverty.

>You think this doesnt happen in communist countries?
point to one example of it happening in Anarchist Catalonia or Maoist China.

>Don't tell me that communist countries are less corrupt than capitalist ones because this is historucally not true.
this is a pretty fucking huge implication, Can you point me towards a huge corruption scandal from Stalin's, Mao's, any Warsaw-pact country's leader's time

i meant marxists* who do in fact preacribe that all the time.

If this upsets you, then you're the one who has some growing up to do.

You don't need money to be successful. You have to create something unique, that a specific group of people value. If you have an idea that seems promising, you can get an investor fairly easily. Best thing is that they will usually help you with the legal and financial matters if you're new to this, since they don't want to lose their investment. And optimally after your first or second business you'll have enough money and experience to start your next business without any investors.

t. entrepreneurfag

Have you never heard of the great leap forward? Thousands of rural farmers starved. The state took too much grain from them. Are you pretending to be dumb?

the point still stands, if u wanna meme then ill just say

muh fairness

Not sure if you are actually retarded or just a shit troll.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China

The government, the capitaliste,the media, hollywood, school, indoctrinate you so well. Now slave don't fight against their owner but against people who try to released their brain.

>mutual agreement of labor
>slave
??

>a thing has value because it has labor in it
That is completely untrue. You can sink thousands of hours into an amateur painting, but its value does not change compared to that of the blank canvas unless someone is willing to pay for it.

Another example would be outdated technology. A rotary phone requires the same amount of labor and resources to produce today as it did in 1960, but its practical value has changed dramatically because the average consumer's willingness to purchase it has changed.

You can pretend like price and value are different, but at the end of the day, your definition of "value" is an invisible number with no tangible effect on actual economics whatsoever. The foundational principles of Marxism are based on false presumptions, and you fools wonder why it always fails.

Because people would rather be a slave and not go hungry in a capitalist country than be 'free' to starve by the billions in a communist one

Commies use propaganda too though, not sure if you was aware of this or not

If we were posting in the 1700's and you were a French revolutionary arguing against feudalism. I could easily claim that feudalism has lifted the most people out of poverty in world history.

Then you would say something like capitalism has never been tried.

Then I would say America is capitalistic, but it relies on slaves and is nowhere as wealthy some feudal powers.

Then you would say that isn't real capitalism.

Do you see what I am saying? You cannot attribute all of human history to one economic system and you can't define all implementation of an economic system by shitty implementations of them.

So you assume capitlist is shitty as communism was ? ty

>implying everyone values shares in a company that barely started out and could possibly go bakrupt in just a few years more than a nice salary

Looking at every liberal alive today is a good enough reason to justify why your idea is bad, and you should feel bad.

You might fool some idiot americans, but you don't fool me. You haven't replied to any of my posts. I'm an extreme communist, and fuck eu.

fpbp
sage

wage slavery > slavery under socialism by the Leninist vanguard

Capitalism has been tried though and has stood the test of time. Every time communism has been tried it has killed millions of people then eventually collapsed because it is build on so many fallacies. Part of capitalisms success is 'free markets', and is the equivilent of letting nature take its course.

No, capitalism isnt perfect, but it is x10000 better than communism will ever be.

what should i say ? hello my friend, fuck eu, fuck corporation ? Fuck stupid selfish close minded human ? If you agree with me i don't have to debate with you

>Anarchist Catalonia
>Anachist
>Still forced people that opposed their ideology off their property against their will and you could only travel with permission from your "council".
>""""""""Anachy"""""""""

fuck you brainless fucktard