Right you have just ONE chance to EXPLAIN how the """"""STRONGEST"""""" military in the world LOST to a bunch of vietnamese rice farmers
literally lmfao @ ur life mate
>inb4 we won da war but i cant point to any references
>inb4 it was only the political war we lost
no lame ass excuses this time, seppos
as soon as you explain how you lost to emus m8
It was military victory for the US, political loss after two years after signing a peace treaty.
But if you want to say the US lost, that's fine. That means Australia and others lost as well since they were fighting on the US's side.
>Be Australian
>Military history is losing to emus and rice farmers
What a fucking disgrace.
Neighbour you couldn't even conquer us if you tried. Perhaps be humble?
Didn't you also lose, Australia?
Because we couldn't send ground forces to North Vietnam without starting a nuclear holocaust.
thats not an australian flag mate. this is
Simple... fighting like it was WWII because, commitment and counterinsurgancy isn't as profitable as dropping bombs.
You must be fucking new, because some foreign faggot starts this same thread EVERY FUCKING DAY with the same replies.
Welcome to Sup Forums, enjoy your stay. Now let's SAGE this retarded shit and be done with it.
Kick the shit out of the enemy so bad they agree to peace talks that start off with near total surrender. Suffer change of administration; New administration doesn't want to fight anymore because fuck our obligations and pledges of support. Enemy bides time and is given support to rebuild and rearm.
Ally is cut off from support and left to their fate.
How to lose a war.
Fun fact: brave Canadian soldiers BTFO'd americucks in 1812 and burnt down their White House
>106429202
bc sjws at the time wanted it. Vietchink here, erally wished they have turned that shit hole into S. Korea 2.0. Oh well.
The ultimate goal was to rid Vietnam of Communism
Present day Vietnam's current economy today would best be described as Authoritative Capitalism. Not only that, Vietnam is basically BEGGING for more U.S. investment because they just love fat American cock that much.
so guess what: The United States won.
>losing to moose farmers
what is it with USA losing to farmers? is it USA's achilles' heel? first moose farmers then rice farmers and now goat farmers
I mean like how do you lose to some goat fucker while hes tending to his harem of goats?
We didn't fucking lose you fucking kangaroo fucker you.
Vietnam was a sustained operation, we didn't fight the war to win it like we did in Desert Storm, or WW2. We fought it like W's Iraq war.
These sustained engagements are just pork barrel spending for the military industrial complex. We never pushed north like MacArthur did in Korea. It was all a sustained event, just research the stupid rules of entanglement our troops had to endure.
Friendly reminder, America hasn't declared war since 1941.
Nope. It was your masters, the British.
Nah, see, you still spent human lives like water and changed how the US perceives foreign wars of aggression forever.
Vietnam neutered your state - after it there can be no such thing as "Just War" in the eyes of the media.
You gave up, and you went home - your bravery and skill at arms failed.
THEY LOST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
SINK
THE
CHINKS
Viet Cong soldiers were actually tremendously terrified of American Grunts. They described them as something similar to "Terminators."
Despite every trick/trap the Viet Cong threw at the Americans, the Americans would simply keep pressing forward; disregarding casualties (which were minimal in comparison), and simply burning and destroying EVERYTHING in their path without a shred of remorse.
Is the current Economic System of Vietnam today Communist?
The answer is no. Guess what, that means the United States won.
Fucking limey bastard, we've been bailing your stupid asses out for the last 100 years.
>and simply burning and destroying EVERYTHING in their path without a shred of remorse.
more like fatty sitting back behind a remote control piloting a drone to blow stuff up
lmfau @ ur lyfe mate ur military is so overweight they haven't left a base since WW2 when they were stationed
Spiritual warfare. Same way the Indians ousted the brits.
Maybe they were really good Vietnamese farmers with outdated weapons?
>we wuz hardman americanz
Stfu amerifat. 60% and falling.
tunnels
lmfao USA losing to literally ANTS
you do realize you're like the retarded little brother right?
like the only reason no one on earth destroys you is because they are too busy laughing at you
wat
also wat
how does it feel being a minimal husk of your former self?
This is the factual reality.
The Democrats ripped up the treaty after Nixon resigned because of the watergate scandal.
no it's no longer a fact, it hasn't been since the 1990s
because as previously stated: The current Economic System of Vietnam is no longer Communist, which was the point of the war.
The U.S. won.
>a few hundred blah blah
this is a common misconception. the entire country of vietnam united behind communism because from their perspective they were being invaded and raped to death. with the entire country uniting, the war would have been bloody and brutal no matter how strong the american army is. also that equipment is 50 years more advanced.
the war was lost to propoganda. the kike intelligence angecies lied to america about how vietnam was really perceiving america. there were MILLIONS of them doing everything they can from making shells and grain to defend the homeland from america.
Yeah, you burned down a fucking house with Daddy Englands' help. In return, you got BTFO by a tornado made of the same fucking fire, AND we burned York to the ground.
>turning the country into surgery shithole
Nah, assuming the South which is a puppet government made by Americans won today it'd be similar to Thailand but shittier, more prostitutes and ladyboy as well as more pedophile bishops
No idea who would kill off Pol Pot though
pretty much this too.
WHEREVER YOU ARE, YOU MUST ALSO
SINK
THE
CHINKS
Keked hard. Honestly this is a good idea for an insanely out-gunned militia.
you would have had internet and vidya gaems much faster than you do now. How is your current selection of vidya?
that's what is important afterall
It's pretty obvious when you're the 'liberator' but also the one blowing up the most homes, that people are going to start questioning it.
It wasn't the kikes, Americans for the first time could see how evil they really were.
For the record, Charlie, I forgive you for shooting my Granddad in the leg back in the 70's. Good work on BTFOing China, too.
didn't really work THAT well. Nothing the Viet Cong did from a military aspect made the Americans go away.
G-greatest generation!
Murricans couldn't even remove kebab right after the sand niggers attacked the pentagon.
USA military is over hyped.
personally I dont think its the kikes. I think its the catholics, i just didnt want to name the agency that lied about it
You can't even remove Cartel. You don't have a leg to stand on, Juan.
Is that a emu?
>inb4 some retarded burgerfat actually says "muh K/D ratio"
One of the key strategies for Iraq and Afgan was control, control of the Afgan borders and control of Iraqi oil. In both countries the US got fucked and now both countries are in chaos. I would consider Afgan/Iraq a military defeat too.
But the Vietnam War ended AFTER the US military left. The Vietnam War was lost by the South Vietnamese.
>"Just War" in the eyes of the media.
Gulf war nigger
Except Veitnam was communist for many years and basically rid itself of communism
Fuck burgers are so brainwashed. YOU LOST MILITARILY NOTHING ELSE COUNTS
Did Germany win ww2 because they had a higher k/d ratio and people nowadays are starting to realize national socialism is actually a good idea?
>In both countries the US got fucked and now both countries are in chaos. I would consider Afgan/Iraq a military defeat too.
This is hilariously wrong.
The U.S./Coalition went in and sat on both of those countries with near full control.
They sat there for as long as they wanted to, and left.
NOTHING the kebabs did from a military aspect even put a dent into the Americans. Terrorists, as it turns out, aren't really good at being a standing military; that's why ISIS loses ground to little brown Kurdish girls.
China says it won that war against Vietnam
>lost Militarily
factually wrong
Vietnam is not Communist.
try again.
it was a surprise attack
Did the VC actually build shit like this?
China says many things, most of which are false.
>Vietnam is no longer Communist, which was the point of the war.
>WWII America
>try to annihilate the Fascist
>fund the Communists
>Cold War America
>try to annihilate the Communists
>fund the extremists
>post-Cold War America
>try to annihilate the extremist
>give up and let the rest of the world deal with it
What are you doing, America?
100 VC farmers? lol right.
We killed about 100 VC per hour during the height of it. We didn't lose anything, because it was never a war to begin with, but a sham.
A surprise that lasted 6 months? That's not how it works.
We aren't even trying to remove cartels. They bring too much money to remove them.
It's not like we were suddenly attacked, or anything. Even so, we came back and killed the fuck out of Tojo.
>China attacks Vietnam to stop Vietnam invading Cambodia
>Vietnam fully occupies Cambodia
>China withdraw from Vietnam
>China won
Strong words coming from a country that lost a war against fucking emus.
>Vietnam is not Communist
Fucking disgrace. I blame our public education.
>in high school i tried to fight my bully but he kicked my ass
>50 years later while he's in an old folks home sipping on his tea and eating his soup with bread a thug broke in and beat the shit out of him, killing him and stole his gold pocket watch
>WOW I WON
that american education
youre literally retarded mate lmfao
You really wanna do this, dude?
en.wikipedia.org
>Muhhh mighty empire
Veitnam was communist for fucking years afterwards
It's like saying the foreign intervention won the Russian civil war because Russia is no longer communist or that hitler won the war against the USSR because the USSR doesn't exist
Yeah that's what tends to happen when one country has twice the population of the other.
If you fucking leafs would have fought hard we might have won.
America didn't go to Vietnam to defeat them, if we did we would have marched on Hanoi. It was a fucking sustained conflict just like America's Afghanistan and W's Iraq.
Just research the stupid rules of engagement the troops had to endure.
America hasn't declared War since 1941.
Whatever we want, what the fuck are you emu sucking losers gonna do about it?
Why don't you call for a U.N. resolution to cry about how much you suck our dick and that you wish you didn't have to do it so much.
Then when we receive that official resolution from the U.N. in about 6 years we'll wipe our ass with it and remember how you used to not be ruled by Abbys.
Go easy on the guy, m8. He probably went to College for a Liberal Arts degree, so there's really no point in arguing with a retard.
yeah ask them how well that worked out for them, while we got nice and fat and did whatever we wanted.
I'm sure they won alright. Yet we actually did anyways soooo
You want us to just start doing kill sweeps on yall?
That was after we had been fighting Germany for 3 years.
You have no excuse at getting BTFO by the Japanese.
An american in the CIA was telling KGB about all American planned military actions so Vietkong knew exactly what Americans would do. I thought this was common knowledge.
take a College Level Comparative Economics class and then educate yourself some you pathetic fuck
That's not the point you autist. Guerilla war is supposed to wear down morale, and holy shit did it ever. America got BTFO so hard during the Vietnam era that we've been perma-cucked ever since. Go and read up on things like drug addiction rates and "friendly fire" (fragging) among our soldiers during the war. Literally half our casualties were our soldiers shooting and killing each other over drugs and other stupid shit. The gooks got in our head so bad they had us killing each other for them.
We didn't need to go to Veitnam. What did we need from there.
>if you leafs had fought we'd have won
So you both admit here that you lost and that the mighty American army can't do anything without the puny leafs to help them...
Why don't you just adopt the Trudeau doctrine for this one: Charlie beat you so you win
Yeah fighting Germany from a colony 6,000 miles away
I sure do remember those Australian soldiers at the battle of britain
>British education
wrong, it went down more like this
>Bully smaller country to not be a fuckin loser Commie
>He stands up to me but he takes a beating
>I leave after I get bored
>He claims he won but he kept being a loser dipshit for 40 years
>50 years later he is no longer a commie
he could have just saved himself the 40 years and succumbed to our suggestions the first time.
Ahah, I figured it out!
You never get taught 'I Know an Old Lady' nursery rhyme in school.
You guys are literally stupider than our children! No wonder the Jews took you over so easily.
lrn2 wikipedia
>literally half
stopped reading there, try again.
that's the Government you fuckwad. They call themselves "communist" which is another word for Dictatorship
I asked you if their current Socio-Economic system is Communist
the answer, once again, is NO
TRY.. AGAIN.. LEARN MORE ABOUT ACTUAL ECONOMIC SYSTEMS
We did, it was you who turned down our request of support then funded the French to recolonize us.
I can't believe you genuinely believe you were there just to fight Communism.
Is your cause just, or is that 'just' what you tell yourself?
>Having a huge empire
>Having a small army
You do realise people had to be re-garrisoned.
>American education
here, since you seem to only want to dig in wiki
en.wikipedia.org
tell me what it says right at the top of the article, lets see if you are capable of decent reading comprehension.
I once saw an interesting documentary about the vietnam war that put forth the idea that the US commanders were fighting the war with a chess mindset, while the north vietnamese commanders were fighting with a go mindset.
The surest way to win a chess game is to eradicate your opponents pieces one by one until there aren't enough pieces to defend the king.
However, go is different. To win a game of go, you need to strategically place your pieces to occupy as much of the board as possible in order to surround and capture the opponents pieces.
In short, the goal of chess is to annihilate your opponent, and the goal of go is to occupy territory.
So that's why the vietnam war ended up the way it did. The US commanders though they were winning because they destroyed more north vietnamese assets and inflicted more casualties. But it didn't matter, because the north vietnamese saw it as a fight for territory, which they were winning.
Of course, this is probably all bullshit. You can't simplify events like that. But it was an interesting perspective.
I can't remember the documentary, but I think it was a broad look at sun tzu's art of war, and the vietnam war was a part of it.
Korea was under imperial rule from Japan, just as Vietnam under China/France, and look where S. Korea is now. Samsung, Lg and Hyundai are amongst some of the global brands that have a good share and dominance in their respective industries, and they spawn from S. Korea. Look where Vietnam is now?
>implying Thailand has a similar situation
your argument is that we won the war because they adopted some kind of bastard capitalism that cucks our economy of manufacturing jobs?
at the end of the day, they wound up under the control of China. that's what the war was about, numbnuts. no one except corporate opportunists and armchair economist fuckwads care about comparative economic systems.
>(You)
>We didn't need to go to Vietnam. What did we need from there.
We needed to drop bombs and shoot bullets. We even needed our planes to be shot at by the SAMS (hoping we got shot down so Grumman or Bell can sell another plane or copter). This was a consumption war that fed America's industrial complex with profits. Just look up how much Johnson's wife Lady Bird made off of her Bell helicopter interests ( over 1000 shot down).
>
>>if you leafs had fought we'd have won
>So you both admit here that you lost and that the mighty American army can't do anything without the puny leafs to help them...
>
>Why don't you just adopt the Trudeau doctrine for this one: Charlie beat you so you win
WTF does this even mean? Who the fuck is Trudeau? As a mid 40's American the only thing I can guess is that he's a character from the next season of Trailer park boys.
Search and Destroy operations against a covert, entrenched people, fighting tooth and nail for a cause, in their homeland and friendly terrain.
British history of WWII
>get raped by germans, run away
>get bombed by germans, get your capital destroyed
>have to train polish pilots (!) to fight against luftwaffe because no more experienced pilots since they all got raped
>for the next year and a half do sporadic bombing runs, retreat and beg americans for help
>germany gets bored, focuses on eastern front
>70 years later all mohammeds in londonistan learn they won the """battle""" of britain just by holding out
Meanwhile in the pacific
>get raped by japanese in every battle
>surrender more battles than actually win
>all your colonies are under jap control in less than 6 months
>fight alongside 500,000 chinks in Burma over the course of 4 years, taking breaks every monsoon season
>lose most of your men to malaria
>barely do anything until America enters the fray and liberates all your shitty colonies
>70 years later all the quintessentially british achmeds learn the battle of burma was the most important victory of the UK in the pacific and they won it singlehandedly, those yanks just showed up at the end and took credit :^)
>Korea was under imperial rule from Japan, just as Vietnam under China/France
Not quite. Korea wasn't a colony of Japan, Korea was turned literally into Japan. As such, Japan invested in 'Korea' as they would their own nation.
en.wikipedia.org
'Economic output in terms of agriculture, fishery, forestry and industry increased by tenfold from 1910 to 1945 as illustrated on the chart to the right.[76] This phenomenal rate of development was unexpected even by the Japanese. Princeton's Atul Kohli concluded that the economic development model the Japanese instituted played the crucial role in Korean economic development, a model that was maintained by the Koreans in the post-World War II era.[77]'
'According to Myung Soo Cha of Yeungnam University, "the South Korean developmental state, as symbolized by Park Chung Hee, a former officer of the Japanese Imperial army serving in wartime Manchuria, was closely modeled upon the colonial system of government. In short, South Korea grew on the shoulders of the colonial achievement, rather than emerging out of the ashes left by the Korean War, as is sometimes asserted."[79]'
>Search and Destroy operations against a covert, entrenched people, fighting tooth and nail for a cause, in their homeland and friendly terrain.
Like Germany right?
It's like the redcoats ought to be proud one of their offshoots completely broke off from them and made something of themselves, and in turn ended up saving them from doom.
Are they though? nah.
39% of total casualties are directly attributable to "friendly fire". Most of that "friendly fire" wasn't accidental. The Army during the era was thiiis close into devolving into a full-blown drug/race/gang war.
Bc Americans didnt read the art of war for some reason