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Communism: >has never existed, despite multiple attempts >every attempt leads to mass starvation of their own people >is easily subverted through other ideologies >solves no problems that other ideologies don't already solve better >no clear solution to fix constant failures >claims human nature either doesn't exist, or is easy to change >fixes none of the cultural issues that would derive from total automation of industry
Fascism: >no two fascist nations have ever gone to war with each other >fascism has never had a mass starvation problem >fascism has actually existed, and it fixes all the problems communism seeks to solve >early fascist failures are easily solved by reducing aggression and warmongering, as shown by other successful fascist nations >utilizes human nature by designing a system meant to take advantage of it >fixes all of the cultural issues that would derive from total automation of industry
Fascism: adapts itself to the nation that adopts it, espouses an independent nation with its own culture Communism: embraces differing cultures coming together despite cultural friction, seeks to destroy religion Capitalism: is indifferent to cultures and religions, will sell itself out to foreign nations for more wealth
Nathan King
Bump
Wyatt Carter
(((Communism))) and (((capitalism))) exist for the benefit of one people. Not of respecting the rights of all to survive and thrive.
Fascism: environmentalist, but not retarded by being against nuclear power (which is clean and safe)
Communism: Chinese smog and Russian contaminated rivers. So obsessed with massive production they turn into a human version of the Uruk-Hai from Lord of the Rings.
Capitalism: Just as bad as communism. Pray that they find an economic reason to protect the environment, for they shall not do it for moral reasons.
Jack Cruz
So, if fascism is cooperation between the state and corporate power, what's stopping corporate bank jewry from corrupting it? Is complete state control(totalitarianism) optimal? Was the corporatism of fascist Italy cooperation, or was it explicit ownership of corporations by the state? Is NatSoc the same plan of cooperation between state and corporate power, or is it something different?
卐 - NATSOC ECONOMICS EXPLAINED ------ >One of the most plagued questions we get when talking about Fascism is economics, normally brought up by people still stuck in a liberal mentality and limited scope of perception, where everything is defined in term of social and economic policies, rather than principles derived from the notion of a singular Truth and Order that dominates the world. The variety of historic economic plans and practices maintained by various champions of our Struggle likewise distorts any comprehensive answer to the question. All in all we've simply answered people that economics are secondary, they don't matter in such a way as to be a fundamental and defining element of Fascism. The answer didn't change, however there is now a way in which we can describe this attitude to economics, and it's actually a word we've used repeatedly in reference to Fascism anyway: Socialism.
>Our Socialism, however, is not in of itself an economic system, it is not the Socialism of Marx and co and stands in direct opposition to both Communism and Capitalism. It would be more accurate to say that to Fascism, Socialism is the definitive social structure which is more comparable to the structures of Individualism and Collectivism, yet it stands in opposition to those two structures as well.
Fascism: embraces beauty in all things, from the artisan, to the architecture, the clothes that we wear, the nature we preserve, and even the bodies God has gifted us with.
Communism: Demanded that their artwork depict mundane life, so focused on the "collective" that they can't see the beauty in the tiny details, uses bland architecture in communist blocks, and is terrible for their nature.
Capitalism: Will not fund art or architecture unless their is profit to be gained, thus the beauty is sucked out of everything save for a few rare gems which will be sold to the highest bidder anyways, cut off from the world in some millionaire's basement. Doesn't care about nature except when it can sell it off for a profit.
Fascism: retraining programs, with additional military drafting if necessary. Focus on keeping the people working, disciplined, with a purpose in life and strong families and men. Encourage religiousness and traditional sexuality and culture.
Communism: Let robots do all the work. Sit around all day becoming fat and lazy. Be forever-complaining that the lifestyles they chose aren't enough to satisfy the human soul.
Capitalist: Bread and circuses. Hire whoever can still be of use for cheap, and keep the rest pacified with basic income and cheap goods meant to corrupt the soul and dull the mind. Drugs, porn, prostitution, mindless television and internet, all are acceptable to keep the population distracted and the anger subdued.
We need to shill to get Hart-Cellar Act removed. Second on the list is deportation of illegals, of refugees, and building the wall.
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Cameron Gray
How each ideology deals with failure
Communism: Not real socialism/communism, or capitalist subversion, my own special version of communism won't fail though.
Capitalism: Not real capitalism, the markets just need to be freer, the poor people are lazy and don't realize how good they have it
Fascism: Clearly some strategic mistakes were made, we need to back off of the blatant aggression and warmongering and take the long view
Brandon Young
Yeah, Fascism/National Socialism is for all peoples.
Christopher Lee
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Jaxon Davis
Yes
Thomas Richardson
Everything works until it doesn't.
Maybe govts need to change as the pendulum swings. I think for the times, and for the preservation of the white race, authoritarian right needs to be implemented.
And Hallelujah. Remember Renaissance patronage? People threw their money at artists, knowing that they would never see a return on it, simply because they wanted to add to the beauty of this world. The Catholic Church today does a fantastic job of preserving much of that beauty for all people, which is why liberals just don't get it when they ask why the Church doesn't just sell all their art. That art isn't meant to be shut in someones bedroom, in the words of Indiana Jones, "It belongs in a museum!"
Yes
Benjamin Hernandez
Thanks dingo I need this picture
Aiden Green
You are right user. Nice to see another woke person.
Jacob White
No problem, friend.
Grayson Richardson
When has capitalism "failed"
Also "not real capitalism" is actually a meaningful statement since capitalism has a clearly defined economic model that can be compared with. Communism doesn't, is so fucking vague (because it's nonsense) which is why it fails.
Most of all I'm curious to understand what you think fascism is if it isn't capitalism or communism (or a combination like reality)
Liam Anderson
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Landon Morgan
Can a half Mexican half white be accept in a national socialist society and live in a European country?
Henry Morris
It's called a third way, there are many different other economic philosophies I encourage you to look up distribution to learn more and also watch this youtu.be/FaCHBmGWcBc
Hudson Powell
Depends, are you natsoc and worth the society? Then yes.
Chase Johnson
Pretty much this.
Nathan Collins
Their jewelry is outstanding
Anthony Thompson
One of the biggest myths, natsoc discriminates based on race. No we are very discriminatory though. We discriminate on intelligence, work ethic and strength. If you are weak you're out. If you are by choice stupid you're out. We are worried about whites right now because they are being systematically eradicated. Do not confuse love of ones people with hatred of another.
Kevin Brooks
Hail victory.
Ayden Lewis
Good ol Joachim Peiper, it's a shame how communists firebombed his house and killed him after the war...
Sebastian Harris
Is there a way to explain Fascism in an objetive and simplified form? Something like a decalog or a book that shows objectively the workings of fascism.
Also, what would you say were the main differences between Mussolini's fascism and Hitlers NationalSocialism? What were their failures? What could be improved if such ideology were to be applied on this day and age?
Chase Cruz
user they never stop, see all the doxing they're doing now? Gotta stay diligent, the end for us looks like it would be bad.
Oliver Cooper
>is there a way to explain simply
No user, it is very complex the easiest way I think would be to subtly let people know what it is. For example: if someone says like they believe in freedom say "what are you fascist?!? You know they had less regulations in the press and business than we do now
>what is the difference between fascism and natsoc?
Not much so little it's interchangeable but fascism is a living breathing ideology it can conform to the people who embrace it and they can make it their own. It's primarily nationalistic.
>failures? They lost the wars. They didn't fail as a political philosophy like Marxism which collapsed. They were forced out of existence primarily because of unwillingness to go as far as they needed to and being to merciful. Our (((enemies))) aren't.
>improvements We're still working on it check out all of the sites linked above like counter currents and daily stormer
