We're skipping past the point where I even rhetorically ask for someone to defend this. There is no defense. My first instinct when I see a politician make a decision with no benefit to the people is to ask what corporation would stand to make money off this but the answer is NOBODY.
This can only stand to hurt or kill children for no possible purpose beyond the motivated reasoning of a conspiracy theorist. What the fuck?
>literally pumping autism into your kids
fuck off
Vaccines don't prevent diseases.
>take your vaccines at gunpoint
> t. The government.
Why is Robert Kennedy Jr. joining Trump's team? I know Kennedy is far left wing and hosts a podcasts show that's very progressive.
Yes vaccines do. If you say otherwise you are a retard regardless of political views.
C'mon you can disagree with Trump some times. Not getting your kids vaccinated is retarded
>It's the thread where Trump supporters become anti-vaxxers just to defend Dear Leader
vaccinated kids are retarded
I can tell you were vaccinated. Fuck off with your autism
Mercury in vaccines, it's good for ya!
t. The CDC
>Not getting your kids vaccinated is retarded
some vaccines are more dangerous than others, most don`t do what they claim, and sometimes there are screw-ups with batches of vaccines. Since there is some risk involved it means it must always be voluntary, don`t buy the herd immunity argument, no-one is vaccinating herds of elk.
The term immunization is still used but no vaccine truly makes somebody immune. Originally the scientists were benevolent i`m sure, but over time the profits have become the guiding hand, a very dangerous situation.
there are a number of good arguments against using certain vaccines and the amount of vaccines during a small window.
Pumping your small child with 16 vaccines in one sitting is a little bizarre imo.
pumping heavy metals and other toxic agents into deep tissue to stimulate a massive immune system response has proven to be effective at building antibody resistence to serious diseases. That's universally undisputed.
But no one does any tests on t-cell or antibody count or any test of the immune system to see if someone is ready for a vaccine, and we are talking about a fringe minority of people who have adverse reactions in general and growing suspicion that the amount of vaccines pumped in at once is a leading cause of neurological issues.
because of the "medical community's" reluctance to even address these concerns, they just point to statistics that show very low short term or long term adverse effects. That's true, there is very few from a known direct result of vaccines. But that just isn't sufficient for alot of people. Especially when case after case of rapid deployment of a vaccine without proper human trials is foisted onto the public for whatever reason.
Being skeptical of vaccine efficacy and concerned about creating an overactive immune system and improper (non-existent) testing of patients before and after vaccine administration is a serious problem, you cannot rely on 60 year old science and statistics forever.
Why the fuck would anyone immunize herds of elk? Are an actual retard?
You`ve never heard the `herd immunity`argument ?
>he just realized Trump is a retard.
That's not actually referring to literal herds of cattle HOLY SHIT
"No defense"
Give me a break, don't tell me that you are that intellectually weak that you are threatened by opposing viewpoints.
Trumps kid, Baron Trump, was diagnosed with autism, shortly after getting vaxxed. Trump did not believe the doctors (fake medicine!) and added one plus one to make a conservatism-tier confirmation bias. Melania Trump went along with it to take attention away from her faulty ovaries.
Could be normal way to go for retarded rural hillbillies without any class, somewhat out of place for upper class Trump family.
that is precisely what it references
what other `herds`are there?
>Falling for the "vaccines cause autism" meme to defend your small-handed Commander-in-Cheeto
>Falling for the "vaccines always work and never do harm" pharmajew
0/10
Pls homeschool your polio-crippled child, so we dont get another outbreak of 3rd world tier TBC.
I know a guy who's kid has autism and he swears it's because he vaccinated him
he didn't vaccinate his next 3 kids and they're all completely normal but his first one is so bad he should be put down
scary stuff.
like i said, some vaccines are safer than others
enjoy your thimerisol
>Outbreaks happen when one child isn't vaccinated.
>Brazilian education
>A person died that one time so that means all vaccines are dangerous
>kids get polio without a vaccine
Maybe in your third world shithole. Polio doesn't hit anybody up here except those in their last stand against cancer, and Hillary Clinton, apparently.
No defense needed. You had 8 years of Obama doing shit we didnt like. Now you get 8 years of Trump pushing your shit in.
The presence of trace amounts of mercury in Thimerosal, a preservative used in some vaccines, was the original reason Dr. Andrew Wakefield claimed was the cause of autism in vaccinated kids. No other studies have ever tied vaccines to autism but that single one he did.
On top of that the study was retracted from the journal it was published in when other studies found that the increase in autism diagnoses was a result of just including more existing disorders in the spectrum of autism.
On top of THAT the use of Thimerosal was still a PR problem and causing parents to not vaccinate their kids so it was removed from all vaccines in 2011.
Since its removal autism rates have not decreased by a single percent. If it was the cause, it's removal should have had some effect, any effect at all.
NONE of these facts have caused one moment of pause for Jenny McCarthy or Gwyneth Paltrow or any of the leaders of the anti-vaccination movement.
That is what makes it a conspiracy theory. All evidence against it is actually evidence of a coverup.
Retards don't understand "herd mentality" means groups of people.
Homo sapiens are herd creatures, just like sheep, cattle, horses, etc,.
Human behavior is literally linked is social environments.
NOBODY is literally references fucking animals. You mongoloids
>spotted the vaccinated retards
it`s all or nothing for you, no shades of grey exist
sad, many such cases.
3.5 billion paid out in compensation so far in the us
The problem with vaccines is that it might not be such a good idea to forcefully inject infants and newborns with loads of chemicals. But the skeptics always get strawmanned into bullshit anti-vaxx labels. People should question governments that violate hunan rights like that.
I had the HPV vaccine and it gave me a terrible auto immune reaction. I thought I had MS or cancer. Its been over a year and I'm still recovering. I had to go to over ten doctors until I finally found a specialist to help me.
articles.mercola.com
not every vaccine is "good" for you
Safety review is a bad thing?
Oh boy the "chemicals" argument. Aren't chemicals just the worst?
Thing is, if we start accepting that vaccines might have negative consequences people will start questioning injecting their infacts with 50,000 of them before they reach the age of 2.
And then society is doomed, or something.
>skeptic in charge of review
>wtf Trump gonna make vaccines illegal now?
If we want to increase our cyber security, shouldn't we vaccinate our children in order to create as many autists as possible?
Vaccines cause autism, get over it!
You're an idiot and you have no evidence for anything you wrote in your post.
Why are vaxxbabies so scared to study the effects of vaccines?
don`t give a fuck what you do
do your own research or stumble blindly
it matters not to me
keep trusting CNN to keep you informed
>I when to the doctor and he said it was psychosomatic so I just went to another one and he said the same thing so I just went to another one and he said the same thing so I just went to another one and he said the same thing so I just went to another one and he said the same thing so I just went to another one and he said the same thing so I just went to another one and he said the same thing so I just went to another one and he said the same thing so I just went to another one and he said the same thing so I just went to another one and finally he said something else
Wow, a truly convincing story.
Could you provide evidence for these claims? I've struggled to comprehend anti-vaxxers but I have an open mind, what evidence have you seen that has convinced you that vaccines do not do their job and can be a danger?
excuse me mr. leaf but...
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And if you were diagnosed with a psychosomatic which never got better until the diagnosis changed, would you still think doctors were so omniscient?
>mercola.com
holy fuck you guys are so, so SO fucking dumb
It's a problem when there have already been THOUSANDS of safety studies but none of them will count until the conspiracy theorists manage to coax out a single outlier that agrees with you.
See this guy He sees 10 doctors that tell him he's fine and every single time his response was to just ignore it and ask someone else. People are perfectly willing to accept a sample size of one against any other evidence as long as it supports their existing beliefs.
truth is that it is complicated science
hrsa.gov
us govt setup a board to handle claims, this will show you numbers of people making claims about particular vaccines
if studies done by vaccine makers on their own products are to be trusted, then risk is small, but admittedly the odd person can actually drop dead
we will probably never know the exact numbers of afflicted because many people do not make the link.
I`ve found that using google scholar to research particular vaccines is the best. Some shots are literally statistically more dangerous. Black males for some reason are 4 times more likely to be affected than others, and on the whole boys are more at risk.
Reams of info out there, i dont keep a file full of links, but ask your doctor to tell you what is in a shot before you get one, i bet he has to read the label because he doesn`t know himself.
What's wrong with a safety review? He isn't banning vaccines, he is checking if they are fully safe and appeasing anti-vaxxers who probably are clutching at straws as to why they have autistic kids.
He isn't banning vaccines, he is doing a safety review. How do you not understand this? What the fuck?
Yes, you superstitious pigeon.
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diseases can use un-vaccinated kids as breeding grounds to evolve and spread to vaccinated children
cdc.gov
they admit they put aluminum in vaccines
hello dementia
Vaccines (depending on the type, obviously) are only something like 80% effective for a 5 year period.
Naturally acquired immunity is 100% effective for life. This natural immunity is also passed along to infants through breastfeeding, something that vaccines are not capable of.
What percentage of the adult population do you really believe have been inoculated in the last 5 years? Very few.
Herd immunity through vaccination is a total myth. The medical advances they credit to vaccination were accompanied by huge strides in sanitation. Polio was eliminated in Germany without a vaccine.
And yet Doctors aren't always right, like shit most countries don't recognise Lyme's disease. Further study never hurts.
t. armchair pathologist
Then you're just a fucking idiot.
So what are vaxxbabies afraid of, if vaccines are perfectly safe? If you have nothing to hide to have nothing to fear.
Why not put someone in power who doesn't necessarily like it? I hate this idea that people need to be cheerleaders for their particular thing. With a boss who is skeptical about vaccines we will be ensured that the government won't go nuts with the vax. I firmly believe creativity only happens through conflict.
Trump obviously agrees with me which is why he put a counter guy in almost every position, including a oil guy in the EPA.
What exactly is the harm in a safety review?
It's because his son is literally autistic
They might find evidence that a lot of people don't want them to find.
The brainwashing has sunk deep.
Absolutely nothing. The paranoia shows libtards think vaccines might actually have harmful after-effects and they might look like complete retards for sucking Big Pharmas dick the entire time
They're afraid they've infected their own children with autism.
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Or they themselves have autism
So if thousands of studies concluded they're harmless (LOL) what are you afraid of, vaxxbaby?
>the motivated reasoning
Are you fucking 13 user?
>Vaccines (depending on the type, obviously) are only something like 80% effective for a 5 year period.
But that is herd immunity, if the vaccine is effective for a majority of the population, then the disease is much less likely to proliferate because there are less available hosts.
>What percentage of the adult population do you really believe have been inoculated in the last 5 years? Very few.
Most vaccines are really only important for children because of their immune system isn't as strong.
>The medical advances they credit to vaccination were accompanied by huge strides in sanitation
What about smallpox? It was fully eliminated in the US in 1949, before household antiseptics were commonplace.
not against the technology of vaccination, but rather how it's administered and used
How the studies are conducted is what matters. They come to conclusions that the evidence does not support.
They infect one group of children with one vaccine, and another group with a different vaccine. THERE IS NO CONTROL GROUP that lacks vaccination. They then compare the two infected groups against each other and claim that the vaccines are safe.
BULLSHIT! That's not how fucking science works, that's not how medicine has ever worked.
So then it's highly likely the results will be business as usual. So what's the problem?
Also links to these studies? What vaccines did they observe the affects of and was it before or after they were put into to use on the general public?
I like how everyone in this thread is perfectly happy to just pretend anti-vaxers weren't completely btfo by this post.
A minutely reminder that anti-vaxxers should be gassed.
>spread to vaccinated children
so vaccines don`t work?
bill gates sponsors a polio vaccine which has STARTED polio outbreaks in Africa, look it up
Apparently I had seizures after my middle round of vaccines and the doctor made the paper work look like I'd had all of them when there were a few others they decided not to give me
Glad the doctor didn't completely fry my brain if that was close to happening
May have just been an innocuous reaction to a needle or something but I've never had problems with needles later on. No more seizures
>Sup Forums is now anti-vax
fucking lmao
>herd immunity
It's not herd immunity if nobody is immune. Nobody is immune if adults aren't getting new shots every 5 years.
Additionally, there are medical studies indicating that the 2nd time you get a vaccination, "booster" - it actually has a diminished effect. This is proven. That's also why the follow-ups are a larger injection.
>smallpox
I didn't say that vaccinations are entirely useless, they do have some effectiveness. The question is whether or not that they're effective and safe enough to be used on every single fucking human infant ever born, and the obvious answer there is no the fuck they're not.
>so vaccines don`t work?
Not for everyone, that's why its important to develop herd immunity so it doesn't affect most peeps
I like how you conveniently ignore the whole thread and still thinking people are arguing about vaccines causing autism.
Most people here didn't even bother to read what the guy plans to do. They read the headlight and think got everything. The clickbait era is not over yet.
>Sup Forums should suck Big Pharmas dick
Good Goy
>Trumps is an infowarrior
What have we done?
There are few people as hopelessly cucked and ignorant as the anti-anti-vaxxers. That's right I'm not talking about people who are pro-vaccine its the slobbering tools who hate those who question vaccines and care about true liberty and personal health decisions.
80+ posts and no pic related in thread
>antivaxxer is the same as vaccine skeptic
rly makes u think
>it's just autism
Says nobody
>autism rates should have decreased
If it isn't the sole cause of autism. Then that doesn't necessarily follow. The share of the affliction might be low but still significant
It also depends on what vaccine you're talking about. Flu vaccines are basically untested and unverifiable at the moment. It's much like global warming in that being anti-vax or skeptical at all will end you.
That said, I'm on the pro side, but I want every bit of skepticism and accountability and testing as possible, and that isn't happening because of faggots like you.
It's also not a moral imperative
>herd immunity
`this is a bogus meme pushed by vaccine makers
herds have immunity because weaklings fucking die, not because they all get injections
go two generations with no vaccines at all, let the weak die, then we`d have `herd immunity
vaccination programs never stopped pandemic diseases, it was the sanitation revolution that eliminated them
>If I don't like it then it's a Jewish conspiracy
If everyone is autistic, no one is.
I don't get vaccine extremists.
Something as innocent as peanut butter has the capacity to fuck someone up.
Why do they insist a various chemical cocktail of chopped up virus bits doesn't have the potential of doing damage?
It's not like medical professionals haven't done questionable stuff before to childern.
Vaccines work on disease they're targeted to, with some relatively rare exceptions. When a disease has plenty of non-vaccinated children to use as vectors, it has a greater opportunity to mutate into a disease resistant to the current vaccinations out there.
>conduct a study which result will be "business as usual"
>muh increased government spending
this is a good thing. we need someone who will question things like vaccines, not just mindlessly parrot "SAFE AND EFFECTIVE, SAFE AND EFFECTIVE" remember, any questioning of the official narrative of vaccines makes you a denier. we need more deniers. I'm not anti vax, but i defiantly dont believe they are as good or safe as they are claimed to be
This. This is how you get herd immunity.
Vaccinations are how you have measles outbreaks in the midwest among schoolchildren.